“Not bluffing” about using military force against Iran

[Book of Jeremiah]

In this schizophrenic presidency of Barack Obama which is like two administrations in one ... perhaps we can see that Obama is bluffing after all.... when he talks about taking military action against Iran and that “all options are on the table”? Why? because Vice President Joe Biden told AIPAC that Obama isn’t bluffing.

On March 4, Biden told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee:

“The president of the United States cannot, and does not, bluff. President Barack Obama is not bluffing.”

Translated: he’s bluffing.




Obama's Iran Bluff | The Nation

The Knesset has announced they are giving Obama some sort of recognition award. This is him getting in position for it. I would not be surprised in the least to learn he has paid off some folks with our money to claim a peace treaty has been agreed upon and HE did it! A peace treaty with Muslims isn't worth the paper its written on. - Jeremiah

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

In this schizophrenic presidency of Barack Obama which is like two administrations in one ... perhaps we can see that Obama is bluffing after all.... when he talks about taking military action against Iran and that “all options are on the table”? Why? because Vice President Joe Biden told AIPAC that Obama isn’t bluffing.

On March 4, Biden told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee:

“The president of the United States cannot, and does not, bluff. President Barack Obama is not bluffing.”

Translated: he’s bluffing.




Obama's Iran Bluff | The Nation

The Knesset has announced they are giving Obama some sort of recognition award. This is him getting in position for it. I would not be surprised in the least to learn he has paid off some folks with our money to claim a peace treaty has been agreed upon and HE did it! A peace treaty with Muslims isn't worth the paper its written on. Especially with Obama behind it. - Jeremiah

 

[hoosier88]

... Obama's Iran Bluff | The Nation

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It must be clear to everybody that Iran is a mortal enemy of the US and the West. America is called the Great Satan for historical reasons! A nuclear Iran would irrevocably alter the world's balance of power in favor of the Islamists, whose policy is jihad against the infidel
Iran would become like another North Korea, unpredictable but much more dangerous because of their fanatical, fundamentalist Islamic beliefs.

Unfortunately, action against Iran, if needed, will become a necessity, not one of doubt or appeasement or consideration of other factors such as economy or political ones.

(My bold)

We helped make Iran our "mortal enemy" - although this rhetoric seems overblown to me. The West will have to answer for its own failings. "historical reasons" - this is the US - we don't DO history - we scarcely do our own, let alone that of the other side of the World.

Iran is not dangerous because of their beliefs - if that were the issue, we'd have bombed or invaded Wahhabist Saudi Arabia as soon as we figured out that their domestic politics is to export their wanna-be terrorists & Wahhabist doctrine to the rest of the World, & devil take the hindmost.

Israel, Pakistan, India, PRC, PDRK, the Russian Federation, UK, France have nuclear weapons. There is another tier of countries that could fairly quickly become nuclear powers. If beliefs or political instability were the issue, we'd have neutralized Pakistan long ago - either destroyed or hijacked their nuclear industry & weapons.

I still don't see any upside to us striking @ Iran's nuclear industry/sites. Israel's wishing it so does not count as a reason for us to do it. They are our client, not the other way around ...

 

[Billo_Really]

It is about time we stop giving Iran the time to develop their nuclear missile program...

That's a pretty irresponsible comment, considering you haven't even proven they're trying to develop one.

 

[Billo_Really]

Not necessary. It will happen so fast they won't even know what hit them until the IAF are out of there. Do you liberals ever get out of fear monger mode? Give it a rest! Gee!

You war-mongering assholes need to be stopped at all costs!

 

[Billo_Really]

We are getting closer and closer.... not too late yet for terrorist Iran to come to its senses, it still has a few weeks for averting military action... but time is running out quick!


Kerry: The Clock Is Ticking On Iran « CBS DC

This is the same bullshit we went through leading up to the Iraq war.

I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to believe this garbage again?

 

[Katzndogz]

Iran and North Korea should kick obama's ass all over the Pacific. Just kick it.

 

[hoosier88]

Iran and North Korea should kick obama's ass all over the Pacific. Just kick it.

Neither one can project force any great distance. N. Korea is a US concern only because of its shared border with S. Korea. We have troops & bases there, & will come to the aid of S. Korea again, if need be.

Iran similarly can only threaten the Strait of Hormuz. But doing so would bring down NATO, Japan, India, the Tigers, the Little Tigers - SEATO (?), ... all the industrialized/post-industrialized countries that rely upon Persian Gulf oil/nat gas. Not even the other-Worldly gov. of Iran can hope to withstand that combination.

 

[Bill Angel]

It must be clear to everybody that Iran is a mortal enemy of the US and the West. America is called the Great Satan for historical reasons!A nuclear Iran would irrevocably alter the world's balance of power in favor of the Islamists, whose policy is jihad against the infidel
Iran would become like another North Korea, unpredictable but much more dangerous because of their fanatical, fundamentalist Islamic beliefs.

Unfortunately, action against Iran, if needed, will become a necessity, not one of doubt or appeasement or consideration of other factors such as economy or political ones.

The USA is deploying a missile shield to counter the possibility of a North Korean attack.

U.S. Is Bolstering Missile Defense to Deter North Korea

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon will spend $1 billion to deploy additional ballistic missile interceptors along the Pacific Coast to counter the growing reach of North Korea’s weapons, a decision accelerated by Pyongyang’s recent belligerence and indications that Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, is resisting China’s efforts to restrain him.

Why isn't it enough to deploy a similar missile shield in the Middle East to guard against the possibility of missle attacks from Iran? The language coming out of North Korea is every bit as belligerent as the language and threats coming from the Iranians.

 

[skye]

It must be clear to everybody that Iran is a mortal enemy of the US and the West. America is called the Great Satan for historical reasons!A nuclear Iran would irrevocably alter the world's balance of power in favor of the Islamists, whose policy is jihad against the infidel
Iran would become like another North Korea, unpredictable but much more dangerous because of their fanatical, fundamentalist Islamic beliefs.

Unfortunately, action against Iran, if needed, will become a necessity, not one of doubt or appeasement or consideration of other factors such as economy or political ones.

The USA is deploying a missile shield to counter the possibility of a North Korean attack.
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Why isn't it enough to deploy a similar missile shield in the Middle East to guard against the possibility of missle attacks from Iran? The language coming out of North Korea is every bit as belligerent as the language and threats coming from the Iranians.

North Korea is unpredictable and is being taken seriously by the US. Iran has to be taken even more seriously and anti-missile systems are already in place at all strategic locations.
The Iron Dome system as developed by Israel is only effective against short range low capability missiles such as those used by Hamas.

The problem with the existing anti missile defence system against an Iranian attack is that they are not 100% effective... certainly a few nuclear armed Iranian missiles could penetrate the system with consequent devastating results and the possibility of an all out nuclear war!

Once again, the Iron Dome is only designed as a short range system and is not effective against larger Iranian missiles.

 

[Mr Natural]

With the Iraq fiasco over and Afghanistan coming to an end, we'll need a new war.

We wouldn't be America without a war somewhere.

 

[skye]

With the Iraq fiasco over and Afghanistan coming to an end, we'll need a new war.

We wouldn't be America without a war somewhere.

Thank you for those pearls of wisdom

 

[Rct_Tsoul]

Bill Angel, ill say it again, America just want to fuck them up simply because we don't like them.
These fuckers from Iran here in the United States are the most irritating dumb fucks of the land, but they are protected by laws because there feet are on American soil, so we cant kill them or beat and abuse them here, but we sure can fuck them up over there, no laws against that.
Almost everyone in America has had some kind of dealing or altercation with an Iranian here in America .................. but we must exercise restraint or go to jail, we want revenge, and we will have it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bill Angel, ill say it again, America just want to fuck them up simply because we don't like them.
These fuckers from Iran here in the United States are the most irritating dumb fucks of the land, but they are protected by laws because there feet are on American soil, so we cant kill them or beat and abuse them here, but we sure can fuck them up over there, no laws against that.
Almost everyone in America has had some kind of dealing or altercation with an Iranian here in America .................. but we must exercise restraint or go to jail, we want revenge, and we will have it.

I used to work with an Iranian architect who had jewish friends that just hated Israeli's.

Attacking Iran is illegal and there are laws against it.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

It is about time we stop giving Iran the time to develop their nuclear missile program...

That's a pretty irresponsible comment, considering you haven't even proven they're trying to develop one.

Even if we cannot prove it 100% yet, we must be ready to strike if we discover they are close to developing a nuke. For if a weapon with such destruction should fall into the hands of the Iranian regime, and then subsequently Hezbollah, it will be a dark day for the world. That is a risk that I would not be willing to take.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Bill Angel, ill say it again, America just want to fuck them up simply because we don't like them.
These fuckers from Iran here in the United States are the most irritating dumb fucks of the land, but they are protected by laws because there feet are on American soil, so we cant kill them or beat and abuse them here, but we sure can fuck them up over there, no laws against that.
Almost everyone in America has had some kind of dealing or altercation with an Iranian here in America .................. but we must exercise restraint or go to jail, we want revenge, and we will have it.

I used to work with an Iranian architect who had jewish friends that just hated Israeli's.

Attacking Iran is illegal and there are laws against it.

Funny you say "attacking Iran is illegal and there are laws against it." Could you provide a link where these laws are published. I am pretty sure if America wants to attack someone, they will do it. Who in the world is going to stop us? We spend more on our military than the next 12 countries combined, INCLUDING Russia and China.

There is one thing that America should fight for, and that is the security of future generations. Iran with nukes jeopardizes many lives, and if there is something that we can do to prevent it, it is our duty to do so.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

We are getting closer and closer.... not too late yet for terrorist Iran to come to its senses, it still has a few weeks for averting military action... but time is running out quick!


This is the same bullshit we went through leading up to the Iraq war.

I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to believe this garbage again?

I think the difference between Iraq and Iran is that when we were going to war with Iraq, there were IAEA reports that were contrary to what the Bush Administration was stating. Its just that those reports never made any wide coverage. Also, there was plenty of "grey" areas surrounding Iraq.

With Iran, there is actual tangible evidence that supports the international community's theory that they are attempting to develop nukes. Their Fordow site is raising huge suspicion in the IAEA since they are denied entrance the this facility. They also have enriched uranium to around 25-35% already. Then Iran announces that they are installing a whole new round (8,000) of centrifuges which is believed to be able to enrich uranium to weapons grade.

I think there are major differences in Iraq and Iran. However, our legitimacy and credibility were damaged with the Iraq war. That is going to make it hard for us to claim legitimacy in attacking Iran. However, I feel that stopping a dangerous group of people from obtaining such a detrimental weapon should be worthy of military force, if all else fails. And it seems that the negotiations, and economic sanctions are not stopping the regime. That only leaves us with one option.

 

[Billo_Really]

Even if we cannot prove it 100% yet, we must be ready to strike if we discover they are close to developing a nuke.

That's illegal. You cannot attack a country that hasn't attacked you first. Otherwise, it's a war of aggression, no different than the nazis going into Poland.

For if a weapon with such destruction should fall into the hands of the Iranian regime, and then subsequently Hezbollah, it will be a dark day for the world. That is a risk that I would not be willing to take.

Iran is a signatory to the "Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty".

 

[Billo_Really]

Funny you say "attacking Iran is illegal and there are laws against it." Could you provide a link where these laws are published.

Article 51 of the UN Charter.

I am pretty sure if America wants to attack someone, they will do it. Who in the world is going to stop us? We spend more on our military than the next 12 countries combined, INCLUDING Russia and China.

If we attack Iran, it will put us in a direct military confrontation with Russia. And if we fight Russia, we also fight China, because of their defense pact. Those two country's can stop us. In fact, they can barbacue this country in less than a 1/2 hour. Are you willing to risk that?

There is one thing that America should fight for, and that is the security of future generations. Iran with nukes jeopardizes many lives, and if there is something that we can do to prevent it, it is our duty to do so.

We have enough nukes to kill the entire population of the world 37 times.

I think we're pretty secure.

 

[Billo_Really]

I think the difference between Iraq and Iran is that when we were going to war with Iraq, there were IAEA reports that were contrary to what the Bush Administration was stating. Its just that those reports never made any wide coverage. Also, there was plenty of "grey" areas surrounding Iraq.

With Iran, there is actual tangible evidence that supports the international community's theory that they are attempting to develop nukes. Their Fordow site is raising huge suspicion in the IAEA since they are denied entrance the this facility. They also have enriched uranium to around 25-35% already. Then Iran announces that they are installing a whole new round (8,000) of centrifuges which is believed to be able to enrich uranium to weapons grade.

I think there are major differences in Iraq and Iran. However, our legitimacy and credibility were damaged with the Iraq war. That is going to make it hard for us to claim legitimacy in attacking Iran. However, I feel that stopping a dangerous group of people from obtaining such a detrimental weapon should be worthy of military force, if all else fails. And it seems that the negotiations, and economic sanctions are not stopping the regime. That only leaves us with one option.

No one has provided any smoking gun showing they've weaponized their nuclear program. The last 3 NIE's all said they haven't. Leon Panetta said they hadn't. Until it can be proven their program has been weaponized, there is no sense in talking about what we're gonna do if that's the case.

It is strange people calling Iran a threat, when they haven't attacked another country in over 200 years.