Not a great time to be messing around with the NIH.

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Nice try and I explained it...

I won't need to get into the gutter with you as the science you use has already got you there...

Look at US death rates compared to the world... US lost...
The lost badly and ignorance like yours is why half a million Americans died that could have been saved...

Get that into your head, your actions killed Americans...

Man on motorcycle hit head on by a semi dies of Covid.

 

[Marener]

So we should have just shut down the economy and let them all go out of business?

Ooooh DELTA STRAIN.

What letter are we up to now?

You guys are too stupid to future out a plan that doesn’t waste hundreds of billions and contribute massively to inflation.

Think about a grocery store. They still sell groceries, even in a pandemic. They’re still earning money on their sales. Did the PPP care? Hell no. The owner applies for a loan, gets a check for the cost of his employees for 6 months. Now, what happens to that money? Does he need it to pay his employees? Nope.

That money just goes straight to his bank account.

Want to know what makes it even worse? Tax free.

It was the biggest waste of taxpayer money in the history of this country.

 

[martybegan]

You guys are too stupid to future out a plan that doesn’t waste hundreds of billions and contribute massively to inflation.

Think about a grocery store. They still sell groceries, even in a pandemic. They’re still earning money on their sales. Did the PPP care? Hell no. The owner applies for a loan, gets a check for the cost of his employees for 6 months. Now, what happens to that money? Does he need it to pay his employees? Nope.

That money just goes straight to his bank account.

Want to know what makes it even worse? Tax free.

It was the biggest waste of taxpayer money in the history of this country.

The PPP was more about construction and offices and services that were BANNED BY THE GOVERNMENT from continuing.

So letting all those companies go out of business would have been better?

The issue wasn't the program, the issue was the regulators being more about thinking the honest people messed up their paperwork than the grifters committing fraud, because they were good at the fraud and it was hard to catch.

Easier to punish some clod putting the wrong number in the cents portion of a form.

 

[Marener]

The PPP was more about construction and offices and services that were BANNED BY THE GOVERNMENT from continuing.

So letting all those companies go out of business would have been better?

The issue wasn't the program, the issue was the regulators being more about thinking the honest people messed up their paperwork than the grifters committing fraud, because they were good at the fraud and it was hard to catch.

Easier to punish some clod putting the wrong number in the cents portion of a form.

If that’s what it was about, why didn’t the actually write the law that way?

Were they just too stupid?

Why did they need to give loans to businesses that didn’t need them?

 

[martybegan]

If that’s what it was about, why didn’t the actually write the law that way?

Were they just too stupid?

Why did they need to give loans to businesses that didn’t need them?

Because government is gonna government?

Who had the majorities in congress at that time?

Here's a hint, it wasn't all the Republicans.

 

[Marener]

Because government is gonna government?

Who had the majorities in congress at that time?

Here's a hint, it wasn't all the Republicans.

Either Republicans are incompetent and can’t write a program that doesn’t waste tons of money or intentionally wrote a law that redistributed as taxpayer money to their favored constituency.

The PPP was written by Senate Republicans, who controlled that half of Congress.

Congress was split in 2020. Apparently you forgot that.

 

[martybegan]

Either Republicans are incompetent and can’t write a program that doesn’t waste tons of money or intentionally wrote a law that redistributed as taxpayer money to their favored constituency.

The PPP was written by Senate Republicans, who controlled that half of Congress.

Congress was split in 2020. Apparently you forgot that.

The Dems controlled the house.

And yeah, you are wrong.

It was part of the CARES act in general, introduced in the House, as spending laws have to start there. By a Democrat.

• Introduced in the House as H.R. 748 (Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019) by Joe Courtney (D-CT) on January 24, 2019[a]
• Committee consideration by House Ways and Means
• Passed the House on July 17, 2019[a] (419–6)
• Passed the Senate as the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act on March 25, 2020 (96–0) with amendment
• House agreed to Senate amendment on March 27, 2020 (voice vote)
• Signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27, 2020

CARES Act - Wikipedia

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

You were vaccinated, goofball. That provided considerable protection from death from COVID.

Here’s how you’ve enjoyed being lied to about COVID:

If you take the shot you won’t get COVID.
Lie.
If you get the shot you can’t spread it and will protect others.
Lie.
If you get the shot Covid will be shortened.
There was no basis in fact when you were told this.
Lie

You’re still believing what they tell you after all this.

 

[martybegan]

Here’s how you’ve enjoyed being lied to about COVID:

If you take the shot you won’t get COVID.
Lie.
If you get the shot you can’t spread it and will protect others.
Lie.
If you get the shot Covid will be shortened.
There was no basis in fact when you were told this.
Lie

You’re still believing what they tell you after all this.

I can believe the mitigating impact, as we see that with flu shots.

I've had the flu with the shot and without the shot, and there is a difference.

The rest of it though, spot on.

 

[Marener]

I can believe the mitigating impact, as we see that with flu shots.

Some right wingers pretend it doesn’t even do that. Hell, I had one attack me for saying it was vaccine at all.

But most of the time the right wingers just ignore this fact completely because it’s inconvenient to their narrative.

 

[Billiejeens]

Some right wingers pretend it doesn’t even do that. Hell, I had one attack me for saying it was vaccine at all.

But most of the time the right wingers just ignore this fact completely because it’s inconvenient to their narrative.

It was not a vaccine, until they literally changed the definition of vaccine.

 

[martybegan]

Some right wingers pretend it doesn’t even do that. Hell, I had one attack me for saying it was vaccine at all.

But most of the time the right wingers just ignore this fact completely because it’s inconvenient to their narrative.

Like ignoring that people were called conspiracy theorists about the lab leak cause, and now all of a sudden it's the leading theory?

Like people using masking wrong going ballistic over those not wearing them?

Like banning people from parks yet allowing mass street protests?

 

[Marener]

Like ignoring that people were called conspiracy theorists about the lab leak cause, and now all of a sudden it's the leading theory?

Like people using masking wrong going ballistic over those not wearing them?

Like banning people from parks yet allowing mass street protests?

Yes. It’s definitely in the top two of all theories of where the virus came from.

People who couldn’t bring themselves to wear a simple mask really showed how entitled they were. It really wasn’t that hard but some people were absolutely unable to do it and came up with crazy shit about why, claiming it was like a human rights violation.

 

[Marener]

It was not a vaccine, until they literally changed the definition of vaccine.

lol

 

[martybegan]

Yes. It’s definitely in the top two of all theories of where the virus came from.

People who couldn’t bring themselves to wear a simple mask really showed how entitled they were. It really wasn’t that hard but some people were absolutely unable to do it and came up with crazy shit about why, claiming it was like a human rights violation.

People who thought the masks were foolproof protection were lied to.

It was far worse to make people think they worked, especially when 90% of people wore them wrong, or didn't remove their facial hair, or kept using saturated or ripped masks.

It became a talisman, nothing more.

And you are talking to someone who has had to be fit tested for mask use around hazardous atmospheres, both particulate in nature and chemical, mostly VOC's from industrial grade metal painting.

You can't wear a mask onsite for work without fit testing, lung capacity testing, and a few hours of training, and yet flimsy surgical masks are supposed to be a cure all?

 

[martybegan]

It was not a vaccine, until they literally changed the definition of vaccine.

It is a vaccine, just not one like the Polio or Chicken Pox vaccine which prevent the disease from even starting.

It's like a flu shot, because of the variable mutating nature of the viruses in question.

Don't give idiots like Marenrer ammunition by going their route of making shit up.

 

[Marener]

People who thought the masks were foolproof protection were lied to.

It was far worse to make people think they worked, especially when 90% of people wore them wrong, or didn't remove their facial hair, or kept using saturated or ripped masks.

It became a talisman, nothing more.

And you are talking to someone who has had to be fit tested for mask use around hazardous atmospheres, both particulate in nature and chemical, mostly VOC's from industrial grade metal painting.

You can't wear a mask onsite for work without fit testing, lung capacity testing, and a few hours of training, and yet flimsy surgical masks are supposed to be a cure all?

Masks weren’t ever claimed to be full proof. You’re gaslighting.

See this NYT article:

The Swiss Cheese Model of Pandemic Defense (Published 2020)

It’s not edible, but it can save lives. The virologist Ian Mackay explains how.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Marener]

Don't give idiots like Marenrer ammunition by going their route of making shit up.

I accurately described one common right wing piece of misinformation. He’s not providing me ammo. He’s just revealing that I know what I’m talking about.

Making shit up is your specialty. You do it all the time and get mad when I point it out.

 

[martybegan]

Masks weren’t ever claimed to be full proof. You’re gaslighting.

See this NYT article:
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The Swiss Cheese Model of Pandemic Defense (Published 2020)

It’s not edible, but it can save lives. The virologist Ian Mackay explains how.

www.nytimes.com

Then why were they forced on everyone? Yes, they were claimed to be far more effective than in reality, same with the distancing crap.

This graphic is simplistic, like your method of thinking.

And it led to things like parks being closed, people being chased off beaches, and all sorts of other useless bullshit.

Except of course for the Floyd riots/protests, those were allowed to happen.

 

[martybegan]

I accurately described one common right wing piece of misinformation. He’s not providing me ammo. He’s just revealing that I know what I’m talking about.

Making shit up is your specialty. You do it all the time and get mad when I point it out.

Says the guy who thinks women can have penises.

And before you do your usual deflection, why not just say "No women cannot have penises, that's silly"