North Korean officials expressed their “wiill” to denuclearize if the DPRK’s security is guaranteed,

[Slyhunter]

We make the promise and then let things progress as they progress. Regime change will come as people gain more freedom when and if they're ready for it.

What we did to Cuba was wrong. It kept their way of life the way it was. If we had allowed them to enjoy the gifts of freedom, of tourism, of food and medical aid back when Kennedy was in power, instead of stifling them things would be better off there today and perhaps today their people would be ready for actual self determination, or Democracy.
By sanctioning them we harmed the ones who could've made things better.

So you expect a guy to accept a deal which may end up with regime change? As in, HIS REGIME changes and he gets executed for it?

Why would anyone in their right mind accept such a deal?

What the US did in Cuba was wrong. What the US did in Iraq was wrong. What the US does all over the world is usually wrong.

Why would the US be right this time?

Trump isn't doing this for the good of North Korea, nor for anyone else, he's doing it to make himself look good.

What would be the point of answering your question when you'll just twist it to mean what you want it to mean in it's worst connotation possible. What is the point of discussing anything with you when you're only interested in failure and what would hurt either Trump or the Republican party. You don't care about the truth, you only care about getting your next nominee into office.

Worst connotation?

I'm point out the blatantly obvious.

We don't know much. But what we do know is what has already been said.

Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'

"
Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'"

Though it's funny because Trump has threatened to withdraw troops from South Korea if he doesn't get a better deal, but won't pull troops out when he's dealing with North Korea.

That's Trump. But when it comes to China, Trump must know that if he pulls out of South Korea, he'll weaken his position against China, and he won't do that.

We know that Kim got annoyed because someone in the US govt brought up Libya. Then all of a sudden he's friendly again.

One minute hates the US, next minute smiles. But he's angry at the US because they've suggested he gets rid of his nukes, then the US can take over.

Do you think he's stupid?

I think he blew up his nuclear arsenal and is forced into making a deal.

You think?

Why would you think that?

Do you know what happens when people blow up their nuclear arsenals? You can see it from space.

Not if it's virtually non-existing and it's under a mountain.
Call it a hunch.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So you expect a guy to accept a deal which may end up with regime change? As in, HIS REGIME changes and he gets executed for it?

Why would anyone in their right mind accept such a deal?

What the US did in Cuba was wrong. What the US did in Iraq was wrong. What the US does all over the world is usually wrong.

Why would the US be right this time?

Trump isn't doing this for the good of North Korea, nor for anyone else, he's doing it to make himself look good.

What would be the point of answering your question when you'll just twist it to mean what you want it to mean in it's worst connotation possible. What is the point of discussing anything with you when you're only interested in failure and what would hurt either Trump or the Republican party. You don't care about the truth, you only care about getting your next nominee into office.

Worst connotation?

I'm point out the blatantly obvious.

We don't know much. But what we do know is what has already been said.

Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'

"
Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'"

Though it's funny because Trump has threatened to withdraw troops from South Korea if he doesn't get a better deal, but won't pull troops out when he's dealing with North Korea.

That's Trump. But when it comes to China, Trump must know that if he pulls out of South Korea, he'll weaken his position against China, and he won't do that.

We know that Kim got annoyed because someone in the US govt brought up Libya. Then all of a sudden he's friendly again.

One minute hates the US, next minute smiles. But he's angry at the US because they've suggested he gets rid of his nukes, then the US can take over.

Do you think he's stupid?

I think he blew up his nuclear arsenal and is forced into making a deal.

You think?

Why would you think that?

Do you know what happens when people blow up their nuclear arsenals? You can see it from space.

Not if it's virtually non-existing and it's under a mountain.
Call it a hunch.

My hunch would be more that Kim is out to get publicity and feel like he's a powerful guy.

You don't keep nuclear weapons at the site of nuclear blasts, that makes no sense whatsoever.

So your hunch sounds like nonsense.

Even if North Korea had no nukes, it's better for them to PRETEND they do. Like Israel, has them, doesn't tell people, much more powerful not having others know what you've got.

 

[Slyhunter]

What would be the point of answering your question when you'll just twist it to mean what you want it to mean in it's worst connotation possible. What is the point of discussing anything with you when you're only interested in failure and what would hurt either Trump or the Republican party. You don't care about the truth, you only care about getting your next nominee into office.

Worst connotation?

I'm point out the blatantly obvious.

We don't know much. But what we do know is what has already been said.

Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'

"
Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'"

Though it's funny because Trump has threatened to withdraw troops from South Korea if he doesn't get a better deal, but won't pull troops out when he's dealing with North Korea.

That's Trump. But when it comes to China, Trump must know that if he pulls out of South Korea, he'll weaken his position against China, and he won't do that.

We know that Kim got annoyed because someone in the US govt brought up Libya. Then all of a sudden he's friendly again.

One minute hates the US, next minute smiles. But he's angry at the US because they've suggested he gets rid of his nukes, then the US can take over.

Do you think he's stupid?

I think he blew up his nuclear arsenal and is forced into making a deal.

You think?

Why would you think that?

Do you know what happens when people blow up their nuclear arsenals? You can see it from space.

Not if it's virtually non-existing and it's under a mountain.
Call it a hunch.

My hunch would be more that Kim is out to get publicity and feel like he's a powerful guy.

You don't keep nuclear weapons at the site of nuclear blasts, that makes no sense whatsoever.

So your hunch sounds like nonsense.

Even if North Korea had no nukes, it's better for them to PRETEND they do. Like Israel, has them, doesn't tell people, much more powerful not having others know what you've got.

Israel didn't threaten to nuke California.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Worst connotation?

I'm point out the blatantly obvious.

We don't know much. But what we do know is what has already been said.

Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'

"
Trump: Troop withdrawal from South Korea 'not on the table'"

Though it's funny because Trump has threatened to withdraw troops from South Korea if he doesn't get a better deal, but won't pull troops out when he's dealing with North Korea.

That's Trump. But when it comes to China, Trump must know that if he pulls out of South Korea, he'll weaken his position against China, and he won't do that.

We know that Kim got annoyed because someone in the US govt brought up Libya. Then all of a sudden he's friendly again.

One minute hates the US, next minute smiles. But he's angry at the US because they've suggested he gets rid of his nukes, then the US can take over.

Do you think he's stupid?

I think he blew up his nuclear arsenal and is forced into making a deal.

You think?

Why would you think that?

Do you know what happens when people blow up their nuclear arsenals? You can see it from space.

Not if it's virtually non-existing and it's under a mountain.
Call it a hunch.

My hunch would be more that Kim is out to get publicity and feel like he's a powerful guy.

You don't keep nuclear weapons at the site of nuclear blasts, that makes no sense whatsoever.

So your hunch sounds like nonsense.

Even if North Korea had no nukes, it's better for them to PRETEND they do. Like Israel, has them, doesn't tell people, much more powerful not having others know what you've got.

Israel didn't threaten to nuke California.

Okay, why do you say this?

 

[Slyhunter]

I think he blew up his nuclear arsenal and is forced into making a deal.

You think?

Why would you think that?

Do you know what happens when people blow up their nuclear arsenals? You can see it from space.

Not if it's virtually non-existing and it's under a mountain.
Call it a hunch.

My hunch would be more that Kim is out to get publicity and feel like he's a powerful guy.

You don't keep nuclear weapons at the site of nuclear blasts, that makes no sense whatsoever.

So your hunch sounds like nonsense.

Even if North Korea had no nukes, it's better for them to PRETEND they do. Like Israel, has them, doesn't tell people, much more powerful not having others know what you've got.

Israel didn't threaten to nuke California.

Okay, why do you say this?

NK did.

 

[JoeB131]

Military exercise's are on a temporary hold for now, not put an end to (terminated) like you said...

Trump also confirmed military exercises involving American and South Korea forces would be put on hold for now.

Next

So how is it we are making all the concessions if we have the upper hand?

Little Rocket Man got Trump to stop calling him names, got to appear on an international stage, got loosened sanctions from China and got an end to military exercises...

We should be glad he didn't bring any Pee Hookers, Trump would have given him Alaska.

 

[Ridgerunner]

JoeB131 do you even know when the next Military exercise is with South Korea? I do, see if you can google it...
If for some reason SHTF all POTUS has to do is call Mattis and say "Let the games begin"... No big deal joe...

So how is it we are making all the concessions if we have the upper hand?

You mentioned 1 concession... Got anymore?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You think?

Why would you think that?

Do you know what happens when people blow up their nuclear arsenals? You can see it from space.

Not if it's virtually non-existing and it's under a mountain.
Call it a hunch.

My hunch would be more that Kim is out to get publicity and feel like he's a powerful guy.

You don't keep nuclear weapons at the site of nuclear blasts, that makes no sense whatsoever.

So your hunch sounds like nonsense.

Even if North Korea had no nukes, it's better for them to PRETEND they do. Like Israel, has them, doesn't tell people, much more powerful not having others know what you've got.

Israel didn't threaten to nuke California.

Okay, why do you say this?

NK did.

And some team won the Super Bowl. So what?

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131 do you even know when the next Military exercise is with South Korea? I do, see if you can google it...
If for some reason SHTF all POTUS has to do is call Mattis and say "Let the games begin"... No big deal joe...

Not the point, buddy. The point is, Trump made Little Kim a promise without even checking with the South Koreans or his generals...

So let's review.

Kim got - International legitimacy
A Photo Op that that his propaganda ministry will use for years
No criticism of his human rights abuses
A loosening of sanctions
And a suspension of joint military exercises..

And Trump got.

Um... a photo op. And that was about it.

 

[bullwinkle]

Before you say shit, look at who is the source.
North Korea expressed “will” to denuclearize if security guaranteed: Seoul - NK News - North Korea News

North Korean officials during meetings with South Koreans over the last two days expressed their “will” to denuclearize if the DPRK’s security is guaranteed, Seoul announced on Tuesday.

In a statement following the return of a high-level ROK delegation to Seoul, South Korea’s chief envoy to the talks said Pyongyang would freeze nuclear and missile tests “while dialogue continues,” and has agreed to a third summit at the Peace House in Panmunjom in late April.

The two Koreas will also establish a hotline between their two leaders in the near future, and the two are set to hold a phone call ahead of meeting next month.

The meeting between DPRK leader Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in will be the first between leaders of the two Koreas since 2007 and the third in history.

“The North clarified its will to denuclearize the Korean peninsula, and made it clear that there is no reason to possess nuclear weapons if the security of the North Korean regime is guaranteed,” South Korea’s chief envoy to the talks Chung Eui-yong said.

Problem is it starts the precedence to giving welfare to any country who threatens to build a nuke.

No Kidding! We got a piece of paper, and Kim got long-sought prestige AND..something a little more substantive..

N.Korean state media hails Kim-Trump summit success

 

[Ridgerunner]

Not the point, buddy. The point is, Trump made Little Kim a promise without even checking with the South Koreans or his generals...

And you know this how? You know what happens when you assume, buddy...

Kim got - International legitimacy

Please share with us the list of Invitations from Heads of State for formal talks and Dinners that have been extended to NK... International legitimacy... The man had to borrow a 747 and get someone to pay for the Hotel accommodations... He and his Country are in a deep hurt... Nothing legitimate about that... Can't you see that POTUS has thrown a drowning man a buoyant document to keep his head above water?

A Photo Op that that his propaganda ministry will use for years

Now I don't claim to be an expert on NK, but I'll bet the farm that a very small percentage of he population are jingoist... You can't eat propaganda and folks in NK are more worried about food than pictures...

 

[JoeB131]

And you know this how? You know what happens when you assume, buddy...

statements they made the morning after.. The one from the Pentagon was a hoot.

Now I don't claim to be an expert on NK, but I'll bet the farm that a very small percentage of he population are jingoist... You can't eat propaganda and folks in NK are more worried about food than pictures...

Sadly, North Korea is pretty much what you Trump Cultists aspire to...

 

[Ridgerunner]

Sadly, North Korea is pretty much what you Trump Cultists aspire to...

You are complete waste of time... Chronic case of TDS and Cranium Rectalitis… Try some therapy joey...

 

[JoeB131]

You are complete waste of time... Chronic case of TDS and Cranium Rectalitis… Try some therapy joey...

Yawn, guy, the thing is, you are the one who acts like a cultist. There is no Republican Party anymore, just the Cult of Trump.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Yawn, guy, the thing is, you are the one who acts like a cultist. There is no Republican Party anymore, just the Cult of Trump.

joey did you just get the Sen. Corker TPM's all ready this morning... Who read them to you?

 

[JoeB131]

joey did you just get the Sen. Corker TPM's all ready this morning... Who read them to you?

He's got kind of a valid point, if you guys abandon all your priniciples to support the Orange Shitgibbon.

Just remember...

North Korea Bad
Russia Good
Canada Bad
North Korea Good now because they said nice things about Trump

 

[Slyhunter]

You are complete waste of time... Chronic case of TDS and Cranium Rectalitis… Try some therapy joey...

Yawn, guy, the thing is, you are the one who acts like a cultist. There is no Republican Party anymore, just the Cult of Trump.

Limbaugh said it best. Liberals who claim cult of Trump has thing backwards. Trump didn't come first and create a cult. The people wanted a certain type of leader to take charge and Trump stepped in and filled that role. He saw what they wanted and gave it to them.

 

[bullwinkle]

You are complete waste of time... Chronic case of TDS and Cranium Rectalitis… Try some therapy joey...

Yawn, guy, the thing is, you are the one who acts like a cultist. There is no Republican Party anymore, just the Cult of Trump.

Limbaugh said it best. Liberals who claim cult of Trump has thing backwards. Trump didn't come first and create a cult. The people wanted a certain type of leader to take charge and Trump stepped in and filled that role. He saw what they wanted and gave it to them.

What's all this crap about what 'the people' wanted. The EC elected Trump, not 'the people'. He lost 'the people' vote by over 3 million. Y'all can make up excuses by the boxcar full, but that 3 million wasn't illegals or Alpha Centauri aliens. It was Americans who didn't fall for Russian influence or pity themselves over the fake victimhood Republicans love to wallow in.

 

[Slyhunter]

You are complete waste of time... Chronic case of TDS and Cranium Rectalitis… Try some therapy joey...

Yawn, guy, the thing is, you are the one who acts like a cultist. There is no Republican Party anymore, just the Cult of Trump.

Limbaugh said it best. Liberals who claim cult of Trump has thing backwards. Trump didn't come first and create a cult. The people wanted a certain type of leader to take charge and Trump stepped in and filled that role. He saw what they wanted and gave it to them.

What's all this crap about what 'the people' wanted. The EC elected Trump, not 'the people'. He lost 'the people' vote by over 3 million. Y'all can make up excuses by the boxcar full, but that 3 million wasn't illegals or Alpha Centauri aliens. It was Americans who didn't fall for Russian influence or pity themselves over the fake victimhood Republicans love to wallow in.

It was illegal aliens in California. They don't count.

 

[bullwinkle]

You are complete waste of time... Chronic case of TDS and Cranium Rectalitis… Try some therapy joey...

Yawn, guy, the thing is, you are the one who acts like a cultist. There is no Republican Party anymore, just the Cult of Trump.

Limbaugh said it best. Liberals who claim cult of Trump has thing backwards. Trump didn't come first and create a cult. The people wanted a certain type of leader to take charge and Trump stepped in and filled that role. He saw what they wanted and gave it to them.

What's all this crap about what 'the people' wanted. The EC elected Trump, not 'the people'. He lost 'the people' vote by over 3 million. Y'all can make up excuses by the boxcar full, but that 3 million wasn't illegals or Alpha Centauri aliens. It was Americans who didn't fall for Russian influence or pity themselves over the fake victimhood Republicans love to wallow in.

It was illegal aliens in California. They don't count.

Yeah, sure! And Elvis works at a KMart in Kalamazoo. And Kim Jong Un is up for a Humanitarian Award. And Justin Trudeau "stabbed us in the back". I do have to admit that the Trump Cult playbook is very extensive, even if pitifully weak on truth.