Non Religious Population on The Decline

[frigidweirdo]

Yeap, stupid people love to breed. It is the one thing that they can actually out compete the intelligent ones at. Most of the breeding world is fairly low on the IQ scale. Low IQ individuals tend to be the most religious. Ahhhh...the puzzle of life.

It does not require any intellect to deny everything that is presented.

I have yet to meet an atheist here who has impressed me with his intellect.

Doesn't take any intellect to believe whatever someone tells you either.

I have yet to meet a religious person here who has impressed me with THEIR intellect (not being sexist and assuming everyone here is a man).

 

[ding]

Yeap, stupid people love to breed. It is the one thing that they can actually out compete the intelligent ones at. Most of the breeding world is fairly low on the IQ scale. Low IQ individuals tend to be the most religious. Ahhhh...the puzzle of life.

It does not require any intellect to deny everything that is presented.

I have yet to meet an atheist here who has impressed me with his intellect.

Doesn't take any intellect to believe whatever someone tells you either.

I have yet to meet a religious person here who has impressed me with THEIR intellect (not being sexist and assuming everyone here is a man).

Then it is a good thing that I have confirmed my beliefs through observation, reason and experience.

 

[Taz]

So you don't believe ANYTHING in the bible.

Don't be silly. How do you think I came to my beliefs?

None of what you said previously is aligned with the bible.

Says you. Not me. I am telling you I came to my beliefs through reading the Bible and confirmed it through observation of the universe and everything which has transpired since space and time were created.

How did you come to your beliefs?

By being a realist, not a fantasist.

You misspelled Marxist.

You just can't read, maybe we've found your problem!

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

I don't believe I would hold Western Europe up as a paragon of virtue.

I would take Western Europe over Latin America, Africa or South Asia (the originating point for MOST of our immigrants) any day of the week. Yes...any country contained therein. Unless of course you think Ali from Eritrea and his circumcised wife are the epoch of culture?

I would wager that before your life is over you will get to see what Western Europe has wrought.

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The core European culture still has some positives. All of this shit that the governments have been pushing since the end of WW2 is complete Marxist drivel.

Materialism which is furthest to the left always ends up by being stronger, more attractive, and victorious, because it is more consistent, but without its Christian heritage it cannot resist the inevitable cycle; liberalism will be replaced by radicalism; radicalism will surrender to socialism; and socialism can never resist communism.

Agreed,
They have relinquished their religion (European Christians) aided by an acquiescent and guilty church. They have fragmented and are at the mercy of governments which will ultimately lead them toward full Marxism. Meanwhile the Muslims will sit united, taking every advantage of their host. They will grow in both population and political power. They will then take over as the indigenous population both votes them in and willingly converts, seeking something outside of Marxist nihilism.
There will be no stopping Islam once it takes hold. No place has ever turned back the tide once Islam has assumed power. Europe will be no different as they WILL get religion in the end.

Given what you just wrote, I find it odd that you hold the beliefs towards religion and belief in God that you do. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion. Always. Even when it was one religion doing it against another religion (i.e. the dominant religion).

I see it for what it is and I support it (Christianity) in its traditional form. I see the alternatives which are, as you stated, Materialism and down the pike. It is a system that must be kept in place. People need something that unites them, that can be built around, as humans are tribal. If a culture does not have it, a culture which does (Islam), will walk right in and take over. As powerful as Socialism is...it cannot hold a candle to Islam. Why do you think the Chinese are so heavy handed toward Islam, yet permit (albeit, a very sanitized version) Christianity?
They know...they understand.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

 

[ding]

Don't be silly. How do you think I came to my beliefs?

None of what you said previously is aligned with the bible.

Says you. Not me. I am telling you I came to my beliefs through reading the Bible and confirmed it through observation of the universe and everything which has transpired since space and time were created.

How did you come to your beliefs?

By being a realist, not a fantasist.

You misspelled Marxist.

You just can't read, maybe we've found your problem!

Given that I have found the meaning in the Bible and you haven't, I was thinking the same thing about you.

 

[ding]

I don't believe I would hold Western Europe up as a paragon of virtue.

I would take Western Europe over Latin America, Africa or South Asia (the originating point for MOST of our immigrants) any day of the week. Yes...any country contained therein. Unless of course you think Ali from Eritrea and his circumcised wife are the epoch of culture?

I would wager that before your life is over you will get to see what Western Europe has wrought.

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The core European culture still has some positives. All of this shit that the governments have been pushing since the end of WW2 is complete Marxist drivel.

Materialism which is furthest to the left always ends up by being stronger, more attractive, and victorious, because it is more consistent, but without its Christian heritage it cannot resist the inevitable cycle; liberalism will be replaced by radicalism; radicalism will surrender to socialism; and socialism can never resist communism.

Agreed,
They have relinquished their religion (European Christians) aided by an acquiescent and guilty church. They have fragmented and are at the mercy of governments which will ultimately lead them toward full Marxism. Meanwhile the Muslims will sit united, taking every advantage of their host. They will grow in both population and political power. They will then take over as the indigenous population both votes them in and willingly converts, seeking something outside of Marxist nihilism.
There will be no stopping Islam once it takes hold. No place has ever turned back the tide once Islam has assumed power. Europe will be no different as they WILL get religion in the end.

Given what you just wrote, I find it odd that you hold the beliefs towards religion and belief in God that you do. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion. Always. Even when it was one religion doing it against another religion (i.e. the dominant religion).

I see it for what it is and I support it (Christianity) in its traditional form. I see the alternatives which are, as you stated, Materialism and down the pike. It is a system that must be kept in place. People need something that unites them, that can be built around, as humans are tribal. If a culture does not have it, a culture which does (Islam), will walk right in and take over. As powerful as Socialism is...it cannot hold a candle to Islam. Why do you think the Chinese are so heavy handed toward Islam, yet permit (albeit, a very sanitized version) Christianity?
They know...they understand.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

I would take Western Europe over Latin America, Africa or South Asia (the originating point for MOST of our immigrants) any day of the week. Yes...any country contained therein. Unless of course you think Ali from Eritrea and his circumcised wife are the epoch of culture?

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The core European culture still has some positives. All of this shit that the governments have been pushing since the end of WW2 is complete Marxist drivel.

Agreed,
They have relinquished their religion (European Christians) aided by an acquiescent and guilty church. They have fragmented and are at the mercy of governments which will ultimately lead them toward full Marxism. Meanwhile the Muslims will sit united, taking every advantage of their host. They will grow in both population and political power. They will then take over as the indigenous population both votes them in and willingly converts, seeking something outside of Marxist nihilism.
There will be no stopping Islam once it takes hold. No place has ever turned back the tide once Islam has assumed power. Europe will be no different as they WILL get religion in the end.

Given what you just wrote, I find it odd that you hold the beliefs towards religion and belief in God that you do. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion. Always. Even when it was one religion doing it against another religion (i.e. the dominant religion).

I see it for what it is and I support it (Christianity) in its traditional form. I see the alternatives which are, as you stated, Materialism and down the pike. It is a system that must be kept in place. People need something that unites them, that can be built around, as humans are tribal. If a culture does not have it, a culture which does (Islam), will walk right in and take over. As powerful as Socialism is...it cannot hold a candle to Islam. Why do you think the Chinese are so heavy handed toward Islam, yet permit (albeit, a very sanitized version) Christianity?
They know...they understand.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

Yet...no.. I dont see Christianity or Christians as evil. I come from a Christian culture. I dont have any hate for Christians or Christianity. I see religious organizations who control, corrupt and lie to people as evil.
Marxism...disgusting
Islam...no...just no.

 

[ding]

I don't believe I would hold Western Europe up as a paragon of virtue.

I would take Western Europe over Latin America, Africa or South Asia (the originating point for MOST of our immigrants) any day of the week. Yes...any country contained therein. Unless of course you think Ali from Eritrea and his circumcised wife are the epoch of culture?

I would wager that before your life is over you will get to see what Western Europe has wrought.

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The core European culture still has some positives. All of this shit that the governments have been pushing since the end of WW2 is complete Marxist drivel.

Materialism which is furthest to the left always ends up by being stronger, more attractive, and victorious, because it is more consistent, but without its Christian heritage it cannot resist the inevitable cycle; liberalism will be replaced by radicalism; radicalism will surrender to socialism; and socialism can never resist communism.

Agreed,
They have relinquished their religion (European Christians) aided by an acquiescent and guilty church. They have fragmented and are at the mercy of governments which will ultimately lead them toward full Marxism. Meanwhile the Muslims will sit united, taking every advantage of their host. They will grow in both population and political power. They will then take over as the indigenous population both votes them in and willingly converts, seeking something outside of Marxist nihilism.
There will be no stopping Islam once it takes hold. No place has ever turned back the tide once Islam has assumed power. Europe will be no different as they WILL get religion in the end.

Given what you just wrote, I find it odd that you hold the beliefs towards religion and belief in God that you do. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion. Always. Even when it was one religion doing it against another religion (i.e. the dominant religion).

I see it for what it is and I support it (Christianity) in its traditional form. I see the alternatives which are, as you stated, Materialism and down the pike. It is a system that must be kept in place. People need something that unites them, that can be built around, as humans are tribal. If a culture does not have it, a culture which does (Islam), will walk right in and take over. As powerful as Socialism is...it cannot hold a candle to Islam. Why do you think the Chinese are so heavy handed toward Islam, yet permit (albeit, a very sanitized version) Christianity?
They know...they understand.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

But if you don't believe in it, you will miss out on the opportunity to experience it.

 

[ding]

Given what you just wrote, I find it odd that you hold the beliefs towards religion and belief in God that you do. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion. Always. Even when it was one religion doing it against another religion (i.e. the dominant religion).

I see it for what it is and I support it (Christianity) in its traditional form. I see the alternatives which are, as you stated, Materialism and down the pike. It is a system that must be kept in place. People need something that unites them, that can be built around, as humans are tribal. If a culture does not have it, a culture which does (Islam), will walk right in and take over. As powerful as Socialism is...it cannot hold a candle to Islam. Why do you think the Chinese are so heavy handed toward Islam, yet permit (albeit, a very sanitized version) Christianity?
They know...they understand.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

Yet...no.. I dont see Christianity or Christians as evil. I come from a Christian culture. I dont have any hate for Christians or Christianity. I see religious organizations who control, corrupt and lie to people as evil.
Marxism...disgusting
Islam...no...just no.

Any collection of men necessarily requires a hierarchy. Men who are imperfect. Organizations are not inherently evil in and of themselves. Do you really believe it is logical to blame religion for acts of men? But putting that aside, do you really believe you have made an objective assessment? Did you look at the good and the bad?

 

[ding]

Let me explain it in another way. Do we really want to take away guns from people of good will just because people of bad will use guns for evil?

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

I see it for what it is and I support it (Christianity) in its traditional form. I see the alternatives which are, as you stated, Materialism and down the pike. It is a system that must be kept in place. People need something that unites them, that can be built around, as humans are tribal. If a culture does not have it, a culture which does (Islam), will walk right in and take over. As powerful as Socialism is...it cannot hold a candle to Islam. Why do you think the Chinese are so heavy handed toward Islam, yet permit (albeit, a very sanitized version) Christianity?
They know...they understand.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

Yet...no.. I dont see Christianity or Christians as evil. I come from a Christian culture. I dont have any hate for Christians or Christianity. I see religious organizations who control, corrupt and lie to people as evil.
Marxism...disgusting
Islam...no...just no.

Any collection of men necessarily requires a hierarchy. Men who are imperfect. Organizations are not inherently evil in and of themselves. Do you really believe it is logical to blame religion for acts of men? But putting that aside, do you really believe you have made an objective assessment? Did you look at the good and the bad?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim country? I have. I have also lived in a Buddhist country. I can tell you from personal experience...the RELIGION makes a huge difference.

 

[ding]

You have a funny way of showing it.

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

Yet...no.. I dont see Christianity or Christians as evil. I come from a Christian culture. I dont have any hate for Christians or Christianity. I see religious organizations who control, corrupt and lie to people as evil.
Marxism...disgusting
Islam...no...just no.

Any collection of men necessarily requires a hierarchy. Men who are imperfect. Organizations are not inherently evil in and of themselves. Do you really believe it is logical to blame religion for acts of men? But putting that aside, do you really believe you have made an objective assessment? Did you look at the good and the bad?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim country? I have. I have also lived in a Buddhist country. I can tell you from personal experience...the RELIGION makes a huge difference.

I've worked with Muslims. My current boss is a Muslim. I've studied all of the major religions.

It isn't the religion, it is the men.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Just because I support it doesn't mean that I would believe in it. I find that it is a superior alternative to the current (Cultural Marxism) or the future (Islam).

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

Yet...no.. I dont see Christianity or Christians as evil. I come from a Christian culture. I dont have any hate for Christians or Christianity. I see religious organizations who control, corrupt and lie to people as evil.
Marxism...disgusting
Islam...no...just no.

Any collection of men necessarily requires a hierarchy. Men who are imperfect. Organizations are not inherently evil in and of themselves. Do you really believe it is logical to blame religion for acts of men? But putting that aside, do you really believe you have made an objective assessment? Did you look at the good and the bad?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim country? I have. I have also lived in a Buddhist country. I can tell you from personal experience...the RELIGION makes a huge difference.

I've worked with Muslims. My current boss is a Muslim. I've studied all of the major religions.

It isn't the religion, it is the men.

Mmmm...well we are gonna have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[ding]

I see. The lesser of three evils, so to speak.

Yet...no.. I dont see Christianity or Christians as evil. I come from a Christian culture. I dont have any hate for Christians or Christianity. I see religious organizations who control, corrupt and lie to people as evil.
Marxism...disgusting
Islam...no...just no.

Any collection of men necessarily requires a hierarchy. Men who are imperfect. Organizations are not inherently evil in and of themselves. Do you really believe it is logical to blame religion for acts of men? But putting that aside, do you really believe you have made an objective assessment? Did you look at the good and the bad?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim country? I have. I have also lived in a Buddhist country. I can tell you from personal experience...the RELIGION makes a huge difference.

I've worked with Muslims. My current boss is a Muslim. I've studied all of the major religions.

It isn't the religion, it is the men.

Mmmm...well we are gonna have to agree to disagree on that.

Sure. I'm always good with that. Honest men can have honest differences of opinion.

My question is do you believe you have made an honest, objective assessment? Are your opinions fair? Have you looked at both sides?

The reason I say this is that I am pretty sure you have not done that with Christianity, so I would naturally be suspicious if you had done this for Islam. I can't say that I am prepared to offer the same defense of Islam that I am prepared to offer for Christianity. Not because of any other reason than I am not as familiar with Islam as I am Christianity. But I will say that it is very hard to evaluate the path not taken. Who knows what it would have been without it.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

My question is do you believe you have made an honest, objective assessment? Are your opinions fair? Have you looked at both sides?

Yes, I have examined Islam historically, politically and socially. I find that the principles of it and my value set are not congruent. Christianity, as I am culturally Christian, does match up well.

The reason I say this is that I am pretty sure you have not done that with Christianity, so I would naturally be suspicious if you had done this for Islam.

Well, let me state this. I have never lived in a truly Christian nation guided by and directed around Christian principles. The Christianity which we live around today is a mere husk (Christian holidays/churches etc) of what it was >100 years ago. I have however lived in a 99% Muslim nation (Turkey) which made a valiant attempt to become secular (Ataturk). Yet despite secularism still remains a very Muslim nation.
Other groups have suffered greatly despite Turkey's claim as a secular nation. Christians for example were at one time 150 years ago, a substantial minority, now they are all but gone save for a few select communities. Research it.
To the Muslim there will always be Dar Al Hard (House of War) Dar Al Islami (House of Peace). Secularism and Islam do not mix. Non Muslims and Muslims do not mix. This is the history of things. This is the reality of today.

Fun Fact: In the town that I lived there was a great big Mosque...built atop an Armenian Christian graveyard. Muslims do not play nice.

 

[ding]

My question is do you believe you have made an honest, objective assessment? Are your opinions fair? Have you looked at both sides?

Yes, I have examined Islam historically, politically and socially. I find that the principles of it and my value set are not congruent. Christianity, as I am culturally Christian, does match up well.

The reason I say this is that I am pretty sure you have not done that with Christianity, so I would naturally be suspicious if you had done this for Islam.

Well, let me state this. I have never lived in a truly Christian nation guided by and directed around Christian principles. The Christianity which we live around today is a mere husk (Christian holidays/churches etc) of what it was >100 years ago. I have however lived in a 99% Muslim nation (Turkey) which made a valiant attempt to become secular (Ataturk). Yet despite secularism still remains a very Muslim nation.
Other groups have suffered greatly despite Turkey's claim as a secular nation. Christians for example were at one time 150 years ago, a substantial minority, now they are all but gone save for a few select communities. Research it.
To the Muslim there will always be Dar Al Hard (House of War) Dar Al Islami (House of Peace). Secularism and Islam do not mix. Non Muslims and Muslims do not mix. This is the history of things. This is the reality of today.

Fun Fact: In the town that I lived there was a great big Mosque...built atop an Armenian Christian graveyard. Muslims do not play nice.

My understanding is that there was a time - albeit a long ago - when Muslims did tolerate and even embrace others from other cultures and beliefs.

As for my belief that your views are biased against almost all religions that believe in a higher power for man hasn't changed. I hope you don't mind.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

My question is do you believe you have made an honest, objective assessment? Are your opinions fair? Have you looked at both sides?

Yes, I have examined Islam historically, politically and socially. I find that the principles of it and my value set are not congruent. Christianity, as I am culturally Christian, does match up well.

The reason I say this is that I am pretty sure you have not done that with Christianity, so I would naturally be suspicious if you had done this for Islam.

Well, let me state this. I have never lived in a truly Christian nation guided by and directed around Christian principles. The Christianity which we live around today is a mere husk (Christian holidays/churches etc) of what it was >100 years ago. I have however lived in a 99% Muslim nation (Turkey) which made a valiant attempt to become secular (Ataturk). Yet despite secularism still remains a very Muslim nation.
Other groups have suffered greatly despite Turkey's claim as a secular nation. Christians for example were at one time 150 years ago, a substantial minority, now they are all but gone save for a few select communities. Research it.
To the Muslim there will always be Dar Al Hard (House of War) Dar Al Islami (House of Peace). Secularism and Islam do not mix. Non Muslims and Muslims do not mix. This is the history of things. This is the reality of today.

Fun Fact: In the town that I lived there was a great big Mosque...built atop an Armenian Christian graveyard. Muslims do not play nice.

My understanding is that there was a time - albeit a long ago - when Muslims did tolerate and even embrace others from other cultures and beliefs.

As for my belief that your views are biased against almost all religions that believe in a higher power for man hasn't changed. I hope you don't mind.

Yes, there have been respites where Muslims have coexisted with other religions peacefully. However, many of these were under Muslim rulers who permitted 'people of the book' (Chr/Jew) to live. Also, what many do not talk about are things like jizya and dhimmi status. Or, represented such a small percentage of the population <2% in any given region or nation that it would have been counterproductive to raise a 'stink'.
However, whenever pops begin to break 10% there are almost always problems.

I cannot mind any opinion that's not mine. You are always respectful and raise decent questions.

 

[ding]

My question is do you believe you have made an honest, objective assessment? Are your opinions fair? Have you looked at both sides?

Yes, I have examined Islam historically, politically and socially. I find that the principles of it and my value set are not congruent. Christianity, as I am culturally Christian, does match up well.

The reason I say this is that I am pretty sure you have not done that with Christianity, so I would naturally be suspicious if you had done this for Islam.

Well, let me state this. I have never lived in a truly Christian nation guided by and directed around Christian principles. The Christianity which we live around today is a mere husk (Christian holidays/churches etc) of what it was >100 years ago. I have however lived in a 99% Muslim nation (Turkey) which made a valiant attempt to become secular (Ataturk). Yet despite secularism still remains a very Muslim nation.
Other groups have suffered greatly despite Turkey's claim as a secular nation. Christians for example were at one time 150 years ago, a substantial minority, now they are all but gone save for a few select communities. Research it.
To the Muslim there will always be Dar Al Hard (House of War) Dar Al Islami (House of Peace). Secularism and Islam do not mix. Non Muslims and Muslims do not mix. This is the history of things. This is the reality of today.

Fun Fact: In the town that I lived there was a great big Mosque...built atop an Armenian Christian graveyard. Muslims do not play nice.

My understanding is that there was a time - albeit a long ago - when Muslims did tolerate and even embrace others from other cultures and beliefs.

As for my belief that your views are biased against almost all religions that believe in a higher power for man hasn't changed. I hope you don't mind.

Yes, there have been respites where Muslims have coexisted with other religions peacefully. However, many of these were under Muslim rulers who permitted 'people of the book' (Chr/Jew) to live. Also, what many do not talk about are things like jizya and dhimmi status. Or, represented such a small percentage of the population <2% in any given region or nation that it would have been counterproductive to raise a 'stink'.
However, whenever pops begin to break 10% there are almost always problems.

I cannot mind any opinion that's not mine. You are always respectful and raise decent questions.

My understanding of the "turn" was that it was due to nepotism whereby their leaders were selected from bloodlines rather than merit. Are we really that far away from that when we keep electing people on name rather than merit? Where we elect leaders who tell us what we want to hear rather than telling us what we need to hear? History repeats for a reason. It is a long wavelength event that the majority of people cannot readily see or don't want to see.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeap, stupid people love to breed. It is the one thing that they can actually out compete the intelligent ones at. Most of the breeding world is fairly low on the IQ scale. Low IQ individuals tend to be the most religious. Ahhhh...the puzzle of life.

It does not require any intellect to deny everything that is presented.

I have yet to meet an atheist here who has impressed me with his intellect.

Doesn't take any intellect to believe whatever someone tells you either.

I have yet to meet a religious person here who has impressed me with THEIR intellect (not being sexist and assuming everyone here is a man).

Then it is a good thing that I have confirmed my beliefs through observation, reason and experience.

The problem is there's lots of information you don't know.

It's like people who say "it's cold here, therefore there's no global warming".

 

[ding]

Yeap, stupid people love to breed. It is the one thing that they can actually out compete the intelligent ones at. Most of the breeding world is fairly low on the IQ scale. Low IQ individuals tend to be the most religious. Ahhhh...the puzzle of life.

It does not require any intellect to deny everything that is presented.

I have yet to meet an atheist here who has impressed me with his intellect.

Doesn't take any intellect to believe whatever someone tells you either.

I have yet to meet a religious person here who has impressed me with THEIR intellect (not being sexist and assuming everyone here is a man).

Then it is a good thing that I have confirmed my beliefs through observation, reason and experience.

The problem is there's lots of information you don't know.

It's like people who say "it's cold here, therefore there's no global warming".

Such as?

How would you know what information I know and what information I don't know?