“Noble People of Afghanistan”

[Ropey]

Death of Feminism

Great read.

 

[koshergrl]

No, really, she doesn't.

 

[Ropey]

I wouldn't go as far as to the call the people of Afghanistan "noble".

I got my first indication of how noble these folks were when I read Phyllis Chesler's "Death of Feminism."

Dr. Chesler married an Aghani upper class American-educated man, but as soon as they got back to Afghanistan, she was put in purdah.

Bet you know what purdah is....

Yup.

Chesler is especially sensitive to the quesion of women’s rights in the Islamic world because she once lived there. When she was an undergraduate at Bard College, she married a fellow-student, an Afghan, and went with him to Afghanistan. Her experiences there were simply horrible. She experienced the same sort of oppression that Afghan women experienced. What’s more, she learned that persecuted women persecute other women. Her mother-in-law, Beebee Jan, would routinely beat her personal servant, Daw-Daw. “Beebee Jan would hit Daw-Daw hard with her fist or with a steel pot, a broom—with just about anything she could lay her hands on” (p. 90). Victims of persecution typically go on to persecute others. Kindness begets kindness; cruelty begets cruelty. Perhaps the reason that Jews are charitable is that Jewish children are pampered. Kindness may even be the reason that Jewish children do well in school; their tolerant and loving parents allow them to express their opinions even if their views differ from those of their elders.

Death of Feminism​

 

[High_Gravity]

I got my first indication of how noble these folks were when I read Phyllis Chesler's "Death of Feminism."

Dr. Chesler married an Aghani upper class American-educated man, but as soon as they got back to Afghanistan, she was put in purdah.

Bet you know what purdah is....

Yup.

Chesler is especially sensitive to the quesion of women’s rights in the Islamic world because she once lived there. When she was an undergraduate at Bard College, she married a fellow-student, an Afghan, and went with him to Afghanistan. Her experiences there were simply horrible. She experienced the same sort of oppression that Afghan women experienced. What’s more, she learned that persecuted women persecute other women. Her mother-in-law, Beebee Jan, would routinely beat her personal servant, Daw-Daw. “Beebee Jan would hit Daw-Daw hard with her fist or with a steel pot, a broom—with just about anything she could lay her hands on” (p. 90). Victims of persecution typically go on to persecute others. Kindness begets kindness; cruelty begets cruelty. Perhaps the reason that Jews are charitable is that Jewish children are pampered. Kindness may even be the reason that Jewish children do well in school; their tolerant and loving parents allow them to express their opinions even if their views differ from those of their elders.

Death of Feminism​

Women in Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's used to go college alongside men, work alongside them in the work force and it was not mandatory for them to cover up like Klansmen, Afghanistan is an example for all of us that we can go backwards to the stone age if we are not careful.

 

[Ropey]

He's doing damage control. It's for the mission.

Indeed. Afghans are on the same bases with the Americans.

IMHO

Get out! NOW!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yup.

Chesler is especially sensitive to the quesion of women’s rights in the Islamic world because she once lived there. When she was an undergraduate at Bard College, she married a fellow-student, an Afghan, and went with him to Afghanistan. Her experiences there were simply horrible. She experienced the same sort of oppression that Afghan women experienced. What’s more, she learned that persecuted women persecute other women. Her mother-in-law, Beebee Jan, would routinely beat her personal servant, Daw-Daw. “Beebee Jan would hit Daw-Daw hard with her fist or with a steel pot, a broom—with just about anything she could lay her hands on” (p. 90). Victims of persecution typically go on to persecute others. Kindness begets kindness; cruelty begets cruelty. Perhaps the reason that Jews are charitable is that Jewish children are pampered. Kindness may even be the reason that Jewish children do well in school; their tolerant and loving parents allow them to express their opinions even if their views differ from those of their elders.

Death of Feminism​

Women in Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's used to go college alongside men, work alongside them in the work force and it was not mandatory for them to cover up like Klansmen, Afghanistan is an example for all of us that we can go backwards to the stone age if we are not careful.

Kabul, at one time, was considered to be cosmopolitan, a Paris of sorts.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

Thus...the march backwards in time....building a bridge to the seven century.

 

[High_Gravity]

Death of Feminism​

Women in Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's used to go college alongside men, work alongside them in the work force and it was not mandatory for them to cover up like Klansmen, Afghanistan is an example for all of us that we can go backwards to the stone age if we are not careful.

Kabul, at one time, was considered to be cosmopolitan, a Paris of sorts.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

Thus...the march backwards in time....building a bridge to the seven century.

Saudi Arabia had alot to do with that too, they still fund alot of those madrassas that preach firey anti American hatred in Afghanistan and Pakistan and unfortunately we funded those lunatics back during the Soviet Invasion as well.

 

[geauxtohell]

The thing is it didn't work, 2 US Troops were killed by an Afghan troop today, the Afghans don't seem interested in our apologies anymore.

It's worth a try.

I understand that an apology had to be issues for damage control, its all part of the game, but as soon as we did it 2 US Troops were killed, I think the Afghans are telling us to stick our apologies up our pussies sideways and to fuck ourselves with it.

I think they are being egged on by the talibanista loyalists. This is what happens when you play right into their hands.

 

[geauxtohell]

There's no point in discussing the issue with an apologist. Ever.

Suffice it to say..you're scum.

That's because you lack the mental capacity to do anything other than toss out insults.

That would work if anyone gave a fuck about your opinion. However, you don't command respect or consideration.

You used to be a troll with a hot chick for an avatar. Now you are just a troll.

Toddles.

 

[geauxtohell]

Death of Feminism​

Women in Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's used to go college alongside men, work alongside them in the work force and it was not mandatory for them to cover up like Klansmen, Afghanistan is an example for all of us that we can go backwards to the stone age if we are not careful.

Kabul, at one time, was considered to be cosmopolitan, a Paris of sorts.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

Thus...the march backwards in time....building a bridge to the seven century.

It's as much about shared culture among the Pashtun as it is religion. Pakis supported the Pashtun faction that included Haqquani and Hekmatyer while ignoring the Tajiks that included Massoud. That means we, by proxy, also supported the Pashtun. The Pashtun would go on to form the Taliban and we all know what became of Hekmatyr and Haqquani.

 

[Sallow]

Death of Feminism​

Women in Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's used to go college alongside men, work alongside them in the work force and it was not mandatory for them to cover up like Klansmen, Afghanistan is an example for all of us that we can go backwards to the stone age if we are not careful.

Kabul, at one time, was considered to be cosmopolitan, a Paris of sorts.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

Thus...the march backwards in time....building a bridge to the seven century.

Oh yeah..that's the ticket. It was Pakistan.



Gotta love it.

 

[Sallow]

Women in Afghanistan in the 60's and 70's used to go college alongside men, work alongside them in the work force and it was not mandatory for them to cover up like Klansmen, Afghanistan is an example for all of us that we can go backwards to the stone age if we are not careful.

Kabul, at one time, was considered to be cosmopolitan, a Paris of sorts.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

Thus...the march backwards in time....building a bridge to the seven century.

It's as much about shared culture among the Pashtun as it is religion. Pakis supported the Pashtun faction that included Haqquani and Hekmatyer while ignoring the Tajiks that included Massoud. That means we, by proxy, also supported the Pashtun. The Pashtun would go on to form the Taliban and we all know what became of Hekmatyr and Haqquani.

It was a pretty thin "proxy". Carter, Reagan and Bush all were funneling money to the muj through the ISI.

 

[koshergrl]

There's no point in discussing the issue with an apologist. Ever.

Suffice it to say..you're scum.

That's because you lack the mental capacity to do anything other than toss out insults.

That would work if anyone gave a fuck about your opinion. However, you don't command respect or consideration.

You used to be a troll with a hot chick for an avatar. Now you are just a troll.

Toddles.

Lol..apparently you give a fuck, you've been whining around trying to get clarification all day.

Aside from that, there's no point. You're a closed minded loon, there's no point. But you are a puke.

 

[geauxtohell]

Kabul, at one time, was considered to be cosmopolitan, a Paris of sorts.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

Thus...the march backwards in time....building a bridge to the seven century.

It's as much about shared culture among the Pashtun as it is religion. Pakis supported the Pashtun faction that included Haqquani and Hekmatyer while ignoring the Tajiks that included Massoud. That means we, by proxy, also supported the Pashtun. The Pashtun would go on to form the Taliban and we all know what became of Hekmatyr and Haqquani.

It was a pretty thin "proxy". Carter, Reagan and Bush all were funneling money to the muj through the ISI.

I know. I recommend "Ghost Wars" for anyone that is curious about how it went down.

 

[geauxtohell]

There's no point in discussing the issue with an apologist. Ever.

Suffice it to say..you're scum.

That's because you lack the mental capacity to do anything other than toss out insults.

That would work if anyone gave a fuck about your opinion. However, you don't command respect or consideration.

You used to be a troll with a hot chick for an avatar. Now you are just a troll.

Toddles.

Lol..apparently you give a fuck, you've been whining around trying to get clarification all day.

Aside from that, there's no point. You're a closed minded loon, there's no point. But you are a puke.

Do you have anything to contribute about the situation in Afghanistan? As much as you may believe otherwise, I am not your problem here.

So if you have a anything of substance to add about Afghanistan, then go for it. Otherwise your posts are your typical generic troll tripe that could be superimposed on any topic.

At any rate, you might not like my opinion, but one poster on this board spent a year on the ground in Afghanistan. That would be me. So my opinion is at least informed.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't bother to discuss the situation with retards who say in all seriousness that things that are SAID by AMERICANS gets people KILLED over there.

People over there get killed because those assholes kill them. They don't have a REASON except that they hate Christians, they hate Americans, they hate women, and they like death, destruction, and tyranny. They will latch onto a variety of things and "say" those are the reasons...note, multiple...but in reality, they kill first, find a reason later. Because they don't need a reason.

But they count on retards like you to support them. Good job...

 

[geauxtohell]

I don't bother to discuss the situation with retards who say in all seriousness that things that are SAID by AMERICANS gets people KILLED over there.

People over there get killed because those assholes kill them. They don't have a REASON except that they hate Christians, they hate Americans, they hate women, and they like death, destruction, and tyranny. They will latch onto a variety of things and "say" those are the reasons...note, multiple...but in reality, they kill first, find a reason later. Because they don't need a reason.

But they count on retards like you to support them. Good job...

Oh, is that what has your vagina all sandy and irritated?

Sorry, but it's true. Walk into an Afghan village and say we should "invade them and convert everyone to Christianity" and see what happens. Things that would simply annoy Americans are hanging offenses over there.

Pointing out the facts of the matter also doesn't equate to support of them, as much as you might want to try and argue otherwise.

It also might be hard for you to understand that the Commanding General might have a better grasp on the situation then you histrionic ninnies.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

Of course, our boy-king in the white house is negotiating our surrender so it doesn't look that bad. If we had a president with stones our forces would right now be turning Kabul into a replica of Sadr City. You can't apologize to these kinds of people. It doesn't mean the same thing to them as it does to us.

"These kinds of people" are the kind of people who are ready and willing to die to strike at an enemy, which is a frame of mind and a spiritual conviction few Americans are capable of understanding.

There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Even if it was possible to kill them all, what would we do with all those bodies? But rather than considering such a pathological circumstance a more just, moral and intelligent solution to our problem with the Islamic world is for us to get out of the Middle East and mind our own business before we spark another world war.

Bottom line: You should understand that George W. Bush is responsible for our current problems in the Middle East. So we should turn that sonofabitch, along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Tenet and Rice, over to the Taliban as peace offerings -- then leave those people alone and mind our own business!

 

[koshergrl]

I don't bother to discuss the situation with retards who say in all seriousness that things that are SAID by AMERICANS gets people KILLED over there.

People over there get killed because those assholes kill them. They don't have a REASON except that they hate Christians, they hate Americans, they hate women, and they like death, destruction, and tyranny. They will latch onto a variety of things and "say" those are the reasons...note, multiple...but in reality, they kill first, find a reason later. Because they don't need a reason.

But they count on retards like you to support them. Good job...

Oh, is that what has your vagina all sandy and irritated?

Sorry, but it's true. Walk into an Afghan village and say we should "invade them and convert everyone to Christianity" and see what happens. Things that would simply annoy Americans are hanging offenses over there.

Pointing out the facts of the matter also doesn't equate to support of them, as much as you might want to try and argue otherwise.

It also might be hard for you to understand that the Commanding General might have a better grasp on the situation then you histrionic ninnies.

Who walked into Afghan villages saying "we should invade them and convert everyone to Christianity"?

Logical fallacy much?

 

[koshergrl]

[...]

Of course, our boy-king in the white house is negotiating our surrender so it doesn't look that bad. If we had a president with stones our forces would right now be turning Kabul into a replica of Sadr City. You can't apologize to these kinds of people. It doesn't mean the same thing to them as it does to us.

"These kinds of people" are the kind of people who are ready and willing to die to strike at an enemy, which is a frame of mind and a spiritual conviction few Americans are capable of understanding.

There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Even if it was possible to kill them all, what would we do with all those bodies? But rather than considering such a pathological circumstance a more just, moral and intelligent solution to our problem with the Islamic world is for us to get out of the Middle East and mind our own business before we spark another world war.

Bottom line: You should understand that George W. Bush is responsible for our current problems in the Middle East. So we should turn that sonofabitch, along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Tenet and Rice, over to the Taliban as peace offerings -- then leave those people alone and mind our own business!

Oh, look, another anti-American, anti-female, pro-human-rights-violations puke.