CDZ NO! We Don't "Just Want to See Work Get Done."

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

 

[Disir]

I can't tell which is going to be more amusing-watching the Democrats not get it or watching the Republicans not get it AND blow it.

 

[WinterBorn]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

That you think Ebola is a major issue is funny. Where are the bodies on the streets that were predicted? What is the body-count now?

And raising the taxes on the rich is not an answer. It is simply a way politicians pander to envy. Cut the spending first. Wasting billions of dollars in stupid wars is not the answer.

 

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

That you think Ebola is a major issue is funny. Where are the bodies on the streets that were predicted? What is the body-count now?

And raising the taxes on the rich is not an answer. It is simply a way politicians pander to envy. Cut the spending first. Wasting billions of dollars in stupid wars is not the answer.

1. Body counts don't define correct or incorrect policy. Only blithering idiots or those with some kind of agenda would oppose a travel ban from Ebola countries.

2. Sure wasteful spending should be cut. Everyone knows that. What many people don't know (you maybe?) is that our current tax rate on the top brackets, is way below what it has been for most of the past 95 years. It is stupid to have an unusually low tax on the rich, at a time when we have $17 Trillion dollar debt, and run deficits rampantly. Lots of govt programs are in need of $$, and these can come from restoring our normal tax rates and cutting bad spending.

3. The wars in Iraq and Afghanisitan are not stupid one bit, and calling them that is an improper and disrepectful attack on our courageous military members who have lost limbs and lives, defending America from attacks from nutjob jihadists
Don't think these wars had any valid purpose ? Guess again. Iraq contains the largest unproven oil reserves in the world, as well as enormous oil wealth already pumping. This is a dream scenario for jihadists who by possessing this wealth, could use it to obtain nuclear weapons for the annihilation of the US.

In Afghanistan, US troops are in proximity to be able to quickly rush into Pakistan and secure the 100+ nuclear warheads there, in the event that the fragile Pakistani govt were to be toppled and the nukes would be in great danger of being possessed by the jihad loonies.
In a candid Interview (with actor George Clooney) Obama himself concede that the one thing that keeps him awake at night is > "Pakistan"
Even Obama is aware of the Pakistan nuclear threat, which is why even with his fanatical anti-warism, there will be no full pullout of US troops from Afghanistan, and he DOES have a strategy there, which is for 9,800 troops to remain.

WikiLeaks cables highlight Pakistani nuclear terror threat World news The Guardian

Enough about Iran, Pakistan's nuclear threat should be our top concern | Fox News

Pakistan: Nuclear Arsenal Will Be Protected By 8,000 Trainees, Military Says

'Pakistan nuclear weapons' threat under estimated' | NDTV.com

Why Pakistan's nuclear bombs are a threat | Asia | DW.DE | 09.04.2013

Pakistan trains 8,000 to guard nuclear arsenal ? USATODAY.com

 

[WinterBorn]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

That you think Ebola is a major issue is funny. Where are the bodies on the streets that were predicted? What is the body-count now?

And raising the taxes on the rich is not an answer. It is simply a way politicians pander to envy. Cut the spending first. Wasting billions of dollars in stupid wars is not the answer.

1. Body counts don't define correct or incorrect policy. Only blithering idiots or those with some kind of agenda would oppose a travel ban from Ebola countries.

2. Sure wasteful spending should be cut. Everyone knows that. What many people don't know (you maybe?) is that our current tax rate on the top brackets, is way below what it has been for most of the past 95 years. It is stupid to have an unusually low tax on the rich, at a time when we have $17 Trillion dollar debt, and run deficits rampantly. Lots of govt programs are in need of $$, and these can come from restoring our normal tax rates and cutting bad spending.

3. The wars in Iraq and Afghanisitan are not stupid one bit, and calling them that is an improper and disrepectful attack on our courageous military members who have lost limbs and lives, defending America from attacks from nutjob jihadists
Don't think these wars had any valid purpose ? Guess again. Iraq contains the largest unproven oil reserves in the world, as well as enormous oil wealth already pumping. This is a dream scenario for jihadists who by possessing this wealth, could use it to obtain nuclear weapons for the annihilation of the US.

In Afghanistan, US troops are in proximity to be able to quickly rush into Pakistan and secure the 100+ nuclear warheads there, in the event that the fragile Pakistani govt were to be toppled and the nukes would be in great danger of being possessed by the jihad loonies.
In a candid Interview (with actor George Clooney) Obama himself concede that the one thing that keeps him awake at night is > "Pakistan"
Even Obama is aware of the Pakistan nuclear threat, which is why even with his fanatical anti-warism, there will be no full pullout of US troops from Afghanistan, and he DOES have a strategy there, which is for 9,800 troops to remain.

WikiLeaks cables highlight Pakistani nuclear terror threat World news The Guardian

Enough about Iran, Pakistan's nuclear threat should be our top concern | Fox News

Pakistan: Nuclear Arsenal Will Be Protected By 8,000 Trainees, Military Says

'Pakistan nuclear weapons' threat under estimated' | NDTV.com

Why Pakistan's nuclear bombs are a threat | Asia | DW.DE | 09.04.2013

Pakistan trains 8,000 to guard nuclear arsenal ? USATODAY.com

No, calling them stupid wars is no slam or slander on the brave men & women who served (and still serve) there. It is a slam on the blithering idiots or spineless fools who SENT them there. How many of those who voted to invade Iraq had children who would serve there?

And the highest tax rate is currently almost 40%. That means the gov't takes, by force, over a third of the money that these people earned. No, raising the taxes on the rich is soaking people for, and punishing them for, bad financial mgmt by administration after administration.

 

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

That you think Ebola is a major issue is funny. Where are the bodies on the streets that were predicted? What is the body-count now?

And raising the taxes on the rich is not an answer. It is simply a way politicians pander to envy. Cut the spending first. Wasting billions of dollars in stupid wars is not the answer.

1. Body counts don't define correct or incorrect policy. Only blithering idiots or those with some kind of agenda would oppose a travel ban from Ebola countries.

2. Sure wasteful spending should be cut. Everyone knows that. What many people don't know (you maybe?) is that our current tax rate on the top brackets, is way below what it has been for most of the past 95 years. It is stupid to have an unusually low tax on the rich, at a time when we have $17 Trillion dollar debt, and run deficits rampantly. Lots of govt programs are in need of $$, and these can come from restoring our normal tax rates and cutting bad spending.

3. The wars in Iraq and Afghanisitan are not stupid one bit, and calling them that is an improper and disrepectful attack on our courageous military members who have lost limbs and lives, defending America from attacks from nutjob jihadists
Don't think these wars had any valid purpose ? Guess again. Iraq contains the largest unproven oil reserves in the world, as well as enormous oil wealth already pumping. This is a dream scenario for jihadists who by possessing this wealth, could use it to obtain nuclear weapons for the annihilation of the US.

In Afghanistan, US troops are in proximity to be able to quickly rush into Pakistan and secure the 100+ nuclear warheads there, in the event that the fragile Pakistani govt were to be toppled and the nukes would be in great danger of being possessed by the jihad loonies.
In a candid Interview (with actor George Clooney) Obama himself concede that the one thing that keeps him awake at night is > "Pakistan"
Even Obama is aware of the Pakistan nuclear threat, which is why even with his fanatical anti-warism, there will be no full pullout of US troops from Afghanistan, and he DOES have a strategy there, which is for 9,800 troops to remain.

WikiLeaks cables highlight Pakistani nuclear terror threat World news The Guardian

Enough about Iran, Pakistan's nuclear threat should be our top concern | Fox News

Pakistan: Nuclear Arsenal Will Be Protected By 8,000 Trainees, Military Says

'Pakistan nuclear weapons' threat under estimated' | NDTV.com

Why Pakistan's nuclear bombs are a threat | Asia | DW.DE | 09.04.2013

Pakistan trains 8,000 to guard nuclear arsenal ? USATODAY.com

No, calling them stupid wars is no slam or slander on the brave men & women who served (and still serve) there. It is a slam on the blithering idiots or spineless fools who SENT them there. How many of those who voted to invade Iraq had children who would serve there?

And the highest tax rate is currently almost 40%. That means the gov't takes, by force, over a third of the money that these people earned. No, raising the taxes on the rich is soaking people for, and punishing them for, bad financial mgmt by administration after administration.

So everything I said about the reasons why US troops are needed in Afghanistan and Iraq just flew right past you, right ? Ho hum. Gosh. Why am I not surprised ? US troops are more needed in Afghanistan and Iraq now, than they EVER have been needed anywhere, in US history. Just curious. Do you know what the word "nuclear" means ?

You are old enough to remember the years of NORMAL taxation. So unlike the under 40 population who grew up in the post Reagan era, you have no excuse to call the restoration of normal US taxation, "soaking", and "punishment." God knows what you're thinking.

 

[Foxfyre]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

 

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

 

[Foxfyre]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Okay but if getting things done on taxes and minimum wage was not the topic, I would suggest not leading your OP with them next time. And you'll avoid misunderstandings by the more simple types such as myself.

As for ISIS, immigration, Ebola, and race hustlers go though, these are topics no more simple than are taxes and minimum wage.

ISIS: there is a legitimate debate with one side wanting to do something about what is perceived as a clear and present danger and one side wanting us to mind our own business and let others deal with that threat.

IMMIGRATION: there is a legitimate debate between those who believe it entirely unfair that law breakers are given rights that law abiding people are not given while others believe it is unrealistic to apply existing law to those already in the country.

EBOLA: there is a legitimate debate between those who think it is not extreme to bar or quarantine under guard those who could put us at risk from this dangerous disease and those who argue such extreme measures would just cause people to lie and hide their exposure to the disease and those who feel the danger is not sufficient to warrant restricting anybody's rights even temporarily.

PANDERING TO RACE HUSTLERS: I don't think it is necessary to spell out how many different definitions would be applied to this depending on each person's ideology and loyalty to a particular political system.

So 'getting things done' in its simplest context isn't so simple as just doing what should be done. First a consensus must be achieved as what should be done. There is no such consensus on any of those topics.

 

[WinterBorn]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

The topic of the thread is what we, the people, want to see get done. You suggested that ISIS, Immigration, Ebola and pandering to race hustlers is what is important.

Others see other issues as the main and most important issues.

I personally want to see the Fair Tax Act passed. That is a far better taxation system than the convoluted nonsense the IRS does today. We spend $500 billion per year on tax compliance. That is not what we pay. That is what we spend figuring out what to pay and how to keep what we can. That is insane.

 

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

The topic of the thread is what we, the people, want to see get done. You suggested that ISIS, Immigration, Ebola and pandering to race hustlers is what is important.

Others see other issues as the main and most important issues.

I personally want to see the Fair Tax Act passed. That is a far better taxation system than the convoluted nonsense the IRS does today. We spend $500 billion per year on tax compliance. That is not what we pay. That is what we spend figuring out what to pay and how to keep what we can. That is insane.

I'm not too familiar with the Fair Tax. Is that a flat tax ? If so, I oppose it.

 

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Okay but if getting things done on taxes and minimum wage was not the topic, I would suggest not leading your OP with them next time. And you'll avoid misunderstandings by the more simple types such as myself.

As for ISIS, immigration, Ebola, and race hustlers go though, these are topics no more simple than are taxes and minimum wage.

ISIS: there is a legitimate debate with one side wanting to do something about what is perceived as a clear and present danger and one side wanting us to mind our own business and let others deal with that threat.

IMMIGRATION: there is a legitimate debate between those who believe it entirely unfair that law breakers are given rights that law abiding people are not given while others believe it is unrealistic to apply existing law to those already in the country.

EBOLA: there is a legitimate debate between those who think it is not extreme to bar or quarantine under guard those who could put us at risk from this dangerous disease and those who argue such extreme measures would just cause people to lie and hide their exposure to the disease and those who feel the danger is not sufficient to warrant restricting anybody's rights even temporarily.

PANDERING TO RACE HUSTLERS: I don't think it is necessary to spell out how many different definitions would be applied to this depending on each person's ideology and loyalty to a particular political system.

So 'getting things done' in its simplest context isn't so simple as just doing what should be done. First a consensus must be achieved as what should be done. There is no such consensus on any of those topics.

ISIS - EXTERMINATE them.

Immigration - http://www.usmessageboard.com/threa...vasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012.322178/

Immigration is Destroying America. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Ebola - enact a travel ban

Race Hustlers - Lock them up. Throw away the key.

 

[WinterBorn]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

The topic of the thread is what we, the people, want to see get done. You suggested that ISIS, Immigration, Ebola and pandering to race hustlers is what is important.

Others see other issues as the main and most important issues.

I personally want to see the Fair Tax Act passed. That is a far better taxation system than the convoluted nonsense the IRS does today. We spend $500 billion per year on tax compliance. That is not what we pay. That is what we spend figuring out what to pay and how to keep what we can. That is insane.

I'm not too familiar with the Fair Tax. Is that a flat tax ? If so, I oppose it.

It is a consumption tax, charged at point-of -sale. Every person in the US would pay a 23% federal sales tax on every purchase of new goods and services. Every person. No exceptions and no exemptions. All used goods are tax free. They will figure out the level of poverty (or what it takes to live) and send every person a refund of whatever 23% of that number is. So no one pays taxes on the first $20k (or whatever it takes to live).

 

[WinterBorn]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Okay but if getting things done on taxes and minimum wage was not the topic, I would suggest not leading your OP with them next time. And you'll avoid misunderstandings by the more simple types such as myself.

As for ISIS, immigration, Ebola, and race hustlers go though, these are topics no more simple than are taxes and minimum wage.

ISIS: there is a legitimate debate with one side wanting to do something about what is perceived as a clear and present danger and one side wanting us to mind our own business and let others deal with that threat.

IMMIGRATION: there is a legitimate debate between those who believe it entirely unfair that law breakers are given rights that law abiding people are not given while others believe it is unrealistic to apply existing law to those already in the country.

EBOLA: there is a legitimate debate between those who think it is not extreme to bar or quarantine under guard those who could put us at risk from this dangerous disease and those who argue such extreme measures would just cause people to lie and hide their exposure to the disease and those who feel the danger is not sufficient to warrant restricting anybody's rights even temporarily.

PANDERING TO RACE HUSTLERS: I don't think it is necessary to spell out how many different definitions would be applied to this depending on each person's ideology and loyalty to a particular political system.

So 'getting things done' in its simplest context isn't so simple as just doing what should be done. First a consensus must be achieved as what should be done. There is no such consensus on any of those topics.

ISIS - EXTERMINATE them.

Immigration - http://www.usmessageboard.com/threa...vasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012.322178/

Immigration is Destroying America. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Ebola - enact a travel ban

Race Hustlers - Lock them up. Throw away the key.

Immigration needs to be addressed. I do not think it should be halted, but we should know who is coming in and control it. Stop illegal immigration.

Ebola is not the emergency the news media has made it out to be. How many cases have there been in the US? And how many were actually people flying in from places you want a travel ban for? 2 cases?? Both recovered?

 

[protectionist]

In today's big White House meeting between Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama said the American people "just want to see work get done." FALSE! We don't just want to see work get done.We want to see the right kind of work get done.

And that kind of work includes a couple of things that Democrats support, and some Republicans very oddly oppose. These are 1.) raising the minimum wage and 2.) raising taxes on the rich to reduce the debt, and supply needed revenue for various projects. Both highly popular with the American people.

That said, it's obvious these weren't the main issues in the 2014 election, in which Democrats were soundly defeated. IMO the issues that beat the Democrats were about National Security, and Obama's very poor handling of them. >>>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Some things that don't have far reaching consequences and that are not coercive upon everybody can be done because they are popular. Like making Christmas a national holiday or establishing a uniform code for display of the U.S. flag.

But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy. It was once an almost complete consensus of the scientific community that the Earth was flat and that was established as the politically correct position scientists were required to take. And it was completely wrong.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether collecting more taxes would have a net positive effect on treasury revenues or whether it would be a drag on the overall economy resulting in little positive effect on treasury revenues. Or whether the most constructive plan is to reduce the size and cost of government.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether the fairest and most logical process is to collect more from the rich or collect more from everybody or rework the tax code so that everybody pays the same percentage.

It is reasonable to have a debate on whether raising the minimum wage would benefit enough people to offset the negative effect it would have on the hard core unemployed.

When it comes to national policy, few things are quite as simple as they might seem.

IMO, restoring America;s normal taxation, by raising taxes on the rich (coupled with loophole closure), would add massive amounts of revenue. Raising the minimum wage would have little or no impact on unemployment other than to put MORE people to work. The benefits would be more DISPOSABLE INCOME fro workers to spend in the stores (AKA the economy) resulting in increased SALES and income for busness owners.
These however are NOT THE TOPIC of the thread.

Thread TOPIC >>

1.) ISIS

2.) Immigration

3.) Ebola

4.) Pandering to race hustlers

Okay but if getting things done on taxes and minimum wage was not the topic, I would suggest not leading your OP with them next time. And you'll avoid misunderstandings by the more simple types such as myself.

As for ISIS, immigration, Ebola, and race hustlers go though, these are topics no more simple than are taxes and minimum wage.

ISIS: there is a legitimate debate with one side wanting to do something about what is perceived as a clear and present danger and one side wanting us to mind our own business and let others deal with that threat.

IMMIGRATION: there is a legitimate debate between those who believe it entirely unfair that law breakers are given rights that law abiding people are not given while others believe it is unrealistic to apply existing law to those already in the country.

EBOLA: there is a legitimate debate between those who think it is not extreme to bar or quarantine under guard those who could put us at risk from this dangerous disease and those who argue such extreme measures would just cause people to lie and hide their exposure to the disease and those who feel the danger is not sufficient to warrant restricting anybody's rights even temporarily.

PANDERING TO RACE HUSTLERS: I don't think it is necessary to spell out how many different definitions would be applied to this depending on each person's ideology and loyalty to a particular political system.

So 'getting things done' in its simplest context isn't so simple as just doing what should be done. First a consensus must be achieved as what should be done. There is no such consensus on any of those topics.

ISIS - EXTERMINATE them.

Immigration - http://www.usmessageboard.com/threa...vasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012.322178/

Immigration is Destroying America. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Ebola - enact a travel ban

Race Hustlers - Lock them up. Throw away the key.

Immigration needs to be addressed. I do not think it should be halted, but we should know who is coming in and control it. Stop illegal immigration.

Ebola is not the emergency the news media has made it out to be. How many cases have there been in the US? And how many were actually people flying in from places you want a travel ban for? 2 cases?? Both recovered?

A travel ban doesn't have to do with past cases of Ebola. It pertains to potential future cases. It is a preventive measure. Not a curative. I don't get a pnuemonnia vaccine based on how many times I've had pnuemonnia (zero). I get it for the time I may get it in the future.

Immigration is about much more than just violation of law. It is about PROTECTION of the American people from a long list of harms. Microsoft just dumped thousands of loyal, long-time American workers, only to then hire low-wage, foreign replacements. We should be more worried about those American workers than we are about distinctions between legal or illegal immigrants. BOTH are HARMful to Americans.

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($123 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases.

 

[FactFinder]

NO! We Don't "Just Want to See Work Get Done."

"But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy."

Sure it is. I believe what the people want trumps "talking heads" any day. Typically the collective wisdom of the mass is far superior to any single little group of supposed intellectuals. Besides the people know best what will secure their "Bill of Rights".

The "talking heads" have given us way too many laws, regulations and oppression. Time for freedom for expression, time for a rebirth of:

The preamble to the Declaration states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government …

The government has drifted far from the will of the people for a number of years now. Just a matter of time. They know. Why do you think they have been militarizing the police? We have weird instances like the Univ of Florida today as a result of the pressure cooker that we are all subjected to day in and day out as we are all thought of as : "Just Want to See Work Get Done." There is more to life and I believe many are getting tired of succumbing to commute, work, pay taxes, get little in return. At the same time being represented in Congress by people doing basically nothing except receiving advice from Wall Street lobbyists and such.

The talking heads have an agenda and it is a selfish one. The collective voice of the people tends to be for the good of all, at least the majority. The consent of the governed has and continues to be raped. Shame on you all.

 

[Foxfyre]

NO! We Don't "Just Want to See Work Get Done."

"But just because something is popular is not always a good reason to make it national policy."

Sure it is. I believe what the people want trumps "talking heads" any day. Typically the collective wisdom of the mass is far superior to any single little group of supposed intellectuals. Besides the people know best what will secure their "Bill of Rights".

The "talking heads" have given us way too many laws, regulations and oppression. Time for freedom for expression, time for a rebirth of:

The preamble to the Declaration states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government …

The government has drifted far from the will of the people for a number of years now. Just a matter of time. They know. Why do you think they have been militarizing the police? We have weird instances like the Univ of Florida today as a result of the pressure cooker that we are all subjected to day in and day out as we are all thought of as : "Just Want to See Work Get Done." There is more to life and I believe many are getting tired of succumbing to commute, work, pay taxes, get little in return. At the same time being represented in Congress by people doing basically nothing except receiving advice from Wall Street lobbyists and such.

The talking heads have an agenda and it is a selfish one. The collective voice of the people tends to be for the good of all, at least the majority. The consent of the governed has and continues to be raped. Shame on you all.

Your phrase '....doing basically nothing except receiving advice from Wall Street lobbyists and such' is one of those things that is currently popular. Interview 100 people on the street and you would almost certainly get a substantial majority opinion that Wall Street or lobbyists have far too much influence and power.

And I believe that notion is flawed to the point that any laws that go with what the people want there would do far more damage than any good. I believe the problem lies far more with the government having far too much power to do any thing it wants to do to grow itself and increase the power, influence, prestige, and personal wealth of those in government who use that power to extort money and cooperation from Wall Street etc. This is a concept slow to catch on with a majority of the people who currently prefer to see a bogeyman in lobbyists and Wall Street and the super rich and corporations than seeing the much more serious and sinister problem.

So I'll stand by my statement. Just because something is popular does not make it right. The people should want it, yes, but honorable men and women must also be diligent to be sure the people are informed of all the potential for good and evil in any concept before they ask the people to sign off on it. Had the people been fully informed of what they were getting with the ACA for instance, there is no way in hell their representatives would have dared to vote for it.