No Palestinian State

[toastman]

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

 

[toastman]

Can you please provide a link showing that Israel is illegitimate and has no legal standing.

I can find nothing documenting where Israel legally acquired the land that it sits on. Everything shows that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

Where does any documentation show that Israel sits on Palestinian land ?

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

Even your own links call you a liar as they all say Israel in the title and not Palestine.



Another massive fail

No they don't.

Really Tinmore ?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not reading very well.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

(COMMENT)

First --- all the armistice arrangements were between Israel and one of the 4 Aggressor Arab Nations.
Each Armistice Arrangement has an official title and identifies the parties to the agreement.

UNTERM Registry --- Four General Armistice Agreements of 1949. The agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

• General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel;
  • TITLE: EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Lebanon and Israel;
  • TITLE: LEBANESE-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel;
  • TITLE: HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria.
  • TITLE: SYRIA-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

The Armistice lines were converted into borders between Egypt and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1979 and between Jordan and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1994. Jordan, however, had renounced in 1988 all legal and administrative ties to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel had captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, so their disposition was not included in the Israeli-Jordanian peace treaty.

No peace treaties have been signed between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. The de facto dividing line between Israel and Lebanon is the “blue” line demarcated by the UN after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000; and the line between Israel and Syria is the line around the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in 1967. (The line was amended in the 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria following the 1973 war.)

During the course of the Armistice arrangements of 1949 (February thru July 1949), the only "Palestine" there was --- was the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied. There was no Arab sovereignty as the opportunity had been rejected. By the time the last of the Armistice Arrangements were signed, the Security Council had recommended admission to the UN (S/RES/69) (Mar 1949), and the General Assembly had adopted and admitted Israel to the UN (A/RES/273 III) (May 1949). (It took the Arab Palestinians another 4 decades to accopmlish half of what the Israelis accomplished, and are still not able to stand alone as required by Article 22.) Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.

"The view was also expressed that the two resolutions passed by the General Assembly on 14 May reaffirmed partition. The resolution calling for the appointment of a Mediator implied two parties, and two parties implied partition. Likewise, the other resolution, expressing appreciation of the General Assembly for the work performed by the Commission in pursuance of the mandate given to it last November, also could be interpreted as reaffirming partition."

Most Respectfully,
R

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

Don't get excited. I was just trying to keep it simple for you. Here is more.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line...​

And more.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.​

And more.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

Do read the header for these agreements and see where they do state Israel, as in this one

Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949 (1)

You are confusing Israel, a place, with Israeli, some people.

Palestine was not part of the agreements. That's because there was no country called Palestine.

 

[toastman]

As many of you are aware, until this recent election victory I felt disdain & disgust for Netanyahoo. I even referred to him as Nutandyahoo for making peace offerings to Palestinians, building a security fence & granting Palestinians their their own Jew free Gaza to add fuel to this endless conflict. I even stated he should be tried & convicted for war crimes against his own Israeli citizens for what he has done. Finally Bibi has earned my full support & best wishes.

And for those of you who disagree that he has made the best move for Israel by denying a Palestifnian State, consider the rocket missiles Israel received for a thank you for giving them Gaza. And above all, just ask yourself would Egypt or Jordan who know the Palestinians best, care to offer the Palestinians a Palestinian State? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Israel s PM Netanyahu No Palestinian state on my watch - CNN.com

So does still have your full support & best wishes.
how do you feel being lied to ?

Eots, don't pick on MJ, he's senile and krusty, then he has the nerve to use the term Nut&Yahoo I coined ages ago...

Poor senile idiot often repeats what others say but forgets who said them.

Poor deluded Pbel is sad because Netanyahu was re elected .

Tissue, Pballs?

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you generally only tell half the story.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

See Post #46:

Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

You keep saying that. Where were they after May 15, 1948 when they were to protect the people and land under their trust?

Do you have some links?

Why are you asking Rocco for links ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

 

[toastman]

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

That wasn't a compliment

 

[pbel]

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

Toast:OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.[/QUOTE]
You have to give him credit for his self-admission of his-own Stupidity!

 

[toastman]

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

Toast:OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

You have to give him credit for his self-admission of his-own Stupidity![/QUOTE]

I knew you were retarded PBel, but I figured that you would understand what it means when someone says "I feel dumber when I debate with you"

Don't you have some ridiculous poems to write ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I went to the UN Central Registry for the information.

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.
There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

(COMMENT)

This is entirely wrong.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.

There is no Armistice between pre-1988 Palestine Territory and any other entity. There was no entity capable and competent to make an agreement other than the Madantory for the territory. In this case --- the government of the territory was the Mandatory and the border agreement is based off the Sykes-Picot agreement.

Based on the Convention of Paris, Britain and France set up a joint committee to clearly determine the demarcation of the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. The committee was headed by the British officer Stewart Newcombe (a Lieutenant Colonel with mapping experience) and a French Lt. Col. named M. Paulet. The Newcombe-Paulet committee delineated the Israeli-Lebanese border and described it verbally, placing 38 piles of stone on the ground to mark the border from Rosh ha-Nikra to the Hasbani River. On March 23, 1923, based on the committee's work, the governments of Britain and France signed an agreement that established the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. That border was internationally recognized in May 1935, when the League of Nations approved the 1923 border at the request of Britain and France.
SOURCE: IICC

Between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was Jordanian Sovereign Territory; and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian Occupied Territory. --- But still geographically the Palestinian portion of the The Greater Levant.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not reading very well.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

(COMMENT)

First --- all the armistice arrangements were between Israel and one of the 4 Aggressor Arab Nations.
Each Armistice Arrangement has an official title and identifies the parties to the agreement.

UNTERM Registry --- Four General Armistice Agreements of 1949. The agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

• General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel;
  • TITLE: EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Lebanon and Israel;
  • TITLE: LEBANESE-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel;
  • TITLE: HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria.
  • TITLE: SYRIA-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

The Armistice lines were converted into borders between Egypt and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1979 and between Jordan and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1994. Jordan, however, had renounced in 1988 all legal and administrative ties to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel had captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, so their disposition was not included in the Israeli-Jordanian peace treaty.

No peace treaties have been signed between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. The de facto dividing line between Israel and Lebanon is the “blue” line demarcated by the UN after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000; and the line between Israel and Syria is the line around the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in 1967. (The line was amended in the 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria following the 1973 war.)

During the course of the Armistice arrangements of 1949 (February thru July 1949), the only "Palestine" there was --- was the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied. There was no Arab sovereignty as the opportunity had been rejected. By the time the last of the Armistice Arrangements were signed, the Security Council had recommended admission to the UN (S/RES/69) (Mar 1949), and the General Assembly had adopted and admitted Israel to the UN (A/RES/273 III) (May 1949). (It took the Arab Palestinians another 4 decades to accopmlish half of what the Israelis accomplished, and are still not able to stand alone as required by Article 22.) Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.

"The view was also expressed that the two resolutions passed by the General Assembly on 14 May reaffirmed partition. The resolution calling for the appointment of a Mediator implied two parties, and two parties implied partition. Likewise, the other resolution, expressing appreciation of the General Assembly for the work performed by the Commission in pursuance of the mandate given to it last November, also could be interpreted as reaffirming partition."

Most Respectfully,
R

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt. There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not reading very well.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

(COMMENT)

First --- all the armistice arrangements were between Israel and one of the 4 Aggressor Arab Nations.
Each Armistice Arrangement has an official title and identifies the parties to the agreement.

UNTERM Registry --- Four General Armistice Agreements of 1949. The agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

• General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel;
  • TITLE: EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Lebanon and Israel;
  • TITLE: LEBANESE-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel;
  • TITLE: HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria.
  • TITLE: SYRIA-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

The Armistice lines were converted into borders between Egypt and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1979 and between Jordan and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1994. Jordan, however, had renounced in 1988 all legal and administrative ties to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel had captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, so their disposition was not included in the Israeli-Jordanian peace treaty.

No peace treaties have been signed between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. The de facto dividing line between Israel and Lebanon is the “blue” line demarcated by the UN after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000; and the line between Israel and Syria is the line around the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in 1967. (The line was amended in the 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria following the 1973 war.)

During the course of the Armistice arrangements of 1949 (February thru July 1949), the only "Palestine" there was --- was the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied. There was no Arab sovereignty as the opportunity had been rejected. By the time the last of the Armistice Arrangements were signed, the Security Council had recommended admission to the UN (S/RES/69) (Mar 1949), and the General Assembly had adopted and admitted Israel to the UN (A/RES/273 III) (May 1949). (It took the Arab Palestinians another 4 decades to accopmlish half of what the Israelis accomplished, and are still not able to stand alone as required by Article 22.) Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.

"The view was also expressed that the two resolutions passed by the General Assembly on 14 May reaffirmed partition. The resolution calling for the appointment of a Mediator implied two parties, and two parties implied partition. Likewise, the other resolution, expressing appreciation of the General Assembly for the work performed by the Commission in pursuance of the mandate given to it last November, also could be interpreted as reaffirming partition."

Most Respectfully,
R

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt. There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt. There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza

Wow Tinmore. I don't even have words to respond to this.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I went to the UN Central Registry for the information.

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.
There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

(COMMENT)

This is entirely wrong.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.

There is no Armistice between pre-1988 Palestine Territory and any other entity. There was no entity capable and competent to make an agreement other than the Madantory for the territory. In this case --- the government of the territory was the Mandatory and the border agreement is based off the Sykes-Picot agreement.

View attachment 38148

Based on the Convention of Paris, Britain and France set up a joint committee to clearly determine the demarcation of the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. The committee was headed by the British officer Stewart Newcombe (a Lieutenant Colonel with mapping experience) and a French Lt. Col. named M. Paulet. The Newcombe-Paulet committee delineated the Israeli-Lebanese border and described it verbally, placing 38 piles of stone on the ground to mark the border from Rosh ha-Nikra to the Hasbani River. On March 23, 1923, based on the committee's work, the governments of Britain and France signed an agreement that established the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. That border was internationally recognized in May 1935, when the League of Nations approved the 1923 border at the request of Britain and France.
SOURCE: IICC

Between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was Jordanian Sovereign Territory; and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian Occupied Territory. --- But still geographically the Palestinian portion of the The Greater Levant.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, I think I am seeing things. Did Tinmore actually post this?:

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt. There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The successor governments were generally hindered in their mission by the combatants to the conflict; predicated on the Arab Aggressor.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you generally only tell half the story.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

See Post #46:

Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

You keep saying that. Where were they after May 15, 1948 when they were to protect the people and land under their trust?

Do you have some links?

(COMMENT)

The links are marked in "blue" in the previous postings.

The successor to the UNPC --- the Mediator --- was involved in the arrangement of the ceasefire and subsequent Armistice Arrangements through the Truce Commission. In the case of most conflicts, the parties to the conflict are generally not protected by the UN but fall under customary law. The UN, once the conflict is ignited, most often sets the conditions for peace negotiation for which an armistice is just one phase.

The conflict, both the civil war prior to May 15, and the war of independence after May 15, were a products initiated and aggravated by hostile Arab activity; intended to disrupt the implementation of Resolution 181(II) which the general Arab Community found unsatisfactory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I went to the UN Central Registry for the information.

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.
There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

(COMMENT)

This is entirely wrong.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.

There is no Armistice between pre-1988 Palestine Territory and any other entity. There was no entity capable and competent to make an agreement other than the Madantory for the territory. In this case --- the government of the territory was the Mandatory and the border agreement is based off the Sykes-Picot agreement.

View attachment 38148

Based on the Convention of Paris, Britain and France set up a joint committee to clearly determine the demarcation of the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. The committee was headed by the British officer Stewart Newcombe (a Lieutenant Colonel with mapping experience) and a French Lt. Col. named M. Paulet. The Newcombe-Paulet committee delineated the Israeli-Lebanese border and described it verbally, placing 38 piles of stone on the ground to mark the border from Rosh ha-Nikra to the Hasbani River. On March 23, 1923, based on the committee's work, the governments of Britain and France signed an agreement that established the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. That border was internationally recognized in May 1935, when the League of Nations approved the 1923 border at the request of Britain and France.
SOURCE: IICC

Between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was Jordanian Sovereign Territory; and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian Occupied Territory. --- But still geographically the Palestinian portion of the The Greater Levant.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine was not a part of the armistice agreements. They had no military and were not part of the 1948 war.

The armistice agreements did, however, mention Palestine's international borders as a reference to where the armistice lines were placed. The armistice lines are not borders so they did not change Palestine's international borders in any way.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I went to the UN Central Registry for the information.

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.
There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

(COMMENT)

This is entirely wrong.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.

There is no Armistice between pre-1988 Palestine Territory and any other entity. There was no entity capable and competent to make an agreement other than the Madantory for the territory. In this case --- the government of the territory was the Mandatory and the border agreement is based off the Sykes-Picot agreement.

View attachment 38148

Based on the Convention of Paris, Britain and France set up a joint committee to clearly determine the demarcation of the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. The committee was headed by the British officer Stewart Newcombe (a Lieutenant Colonel with mapping experience) and a French Lt. Col. named M. Paulet. The Newcombe-Paulet committee delineated the Israeli-Lebanese border and described it verbally, placing 38 piles of stone on the ground to mark the border from Rosh ha-Nikra to the Hasbani River. On March 23, 1923, based on the committee's work, the governments of Britain and France signed an agreement that established the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. That border was internationally recognized in May 1935, when the League of Nations approved the 1923 border at the request of Britain and France.
SOURCE: IICC

Between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was Jordanian Sovereign Territory; and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian Occupied Territory. --- But still geographically the Palestinian portion of the The Greater Levant.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine was not a part of the armistice agreements. They had no military and were not part of the 1948 war.

The armistice agreements did, however, mention Palestine's international borders as a reference to where the armistice lines were placed. The armistice lines are not borders so they did not change Palestine's international borders in any way.

The armistice lines DID NOT mention Palestine's international borders, as they were non existent

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The successor governments were generally hindered in their mission by the combatants to the conflict; predicated on the Arab Aggressor.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you generally only tell half the story.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

See Post #46:

Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

You keep saying that. Where were they after May 15, 1948 when they were to protect the people and land under their trust?

Do you have some links?

(COMMENT)

The links are marked in "blue" in the previous postings.

The successor to the UNPC --- the Mediator --- was involved in the arrangement of the ceasefire and subsequent Armistice Arrangements through the Truce Commission. In the case of most conflicts, the parties to the conflict are generally not protected by the UN but fall under customary law. The UN, once the conflict is ignited, most often sets the conditions for peace negotiation for which an armistice is just one phase.

The conflict, both the civil war prior to May 15, and the war of independence after May 15, were a products initiated and aggravated by hostile Arab activity; intended to disrupt the implementation of Resolution 181(II) which the general Arab Community found unsatisfactory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners came down from Europe with the stated goal of taking over the country. Then they proceeded to do just that.

I don't see how the Palestinians can be considered the aggressors.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The successor governments were generally hindered in their mission by the combatants to the conflict; predicated on the Arab Aggressor.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you generally only tell half the story.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

See Post #46:

Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

You keep saying that. Where were they after May 15, 1948 when they were to protect the people and land under their trust?

Do you have some links?

(COMMENT)

The links are marked in "blue" in the previous postings.

The successor to the UNPC --- the Mediator --- was involved in the arrangement of the ceasefire and subsequent Armistice Arrangements through the Truce Commission. In the case of most conflicts, the parties to the conflict are generally not protected by the UN but fall under customary law. The UN, once the conflict is ignited, most often sets the conditions for peace negotiation for which an armistice is just one phase.

The conflict, both the civil war prior to May 15, and the war of independence after May 15, were a products initiated and aggravated by hostile Arab activity; intended to disrupt the implementation of Resolution 181(II) which the general Arab Community found unsatisfactory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners came down from Europe with the stated goal of taking over the country. Then they proceeded to do just that.

I don't see how the Palestinians can be considered the aggressors.

For your education: First of all there NEVER WAS A COUNTRY of Palestine. And you forget to mention that among the indigenous Palestinians were Jews & not a single Muslim among the natives in the land. And.the overwhelming majority of Muslim Palestinians are squatters on the land for several generations with no titles or deeds to their stolen land whatsoever.

 

[pbel]

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

Toast:OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

You have to give him credit for his self-admission of his-own Stupidity!

I knew you were retarded PBel, but I figured that you would understand what it means when someone says "I feel dumber when I debate with you"

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

Toast:OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

You have to give him credit for his self-admission of his-own Stupidity!

I knew you were retarded PBel, but I figured that you would understand what it means when someone says "I feel dumber when I debate with you"

Don't you have some ridiculous poems to write ?[/QUOTE]


Toast: Don't you have some ridiculous poems to write ?[/QUOTE]

Give it up Toast, we understand as you self-roast,
Nor can we stand your rambling when you try to boast,

Try writing in Hebrew from left to right when you post,
Because handling English, your jabbering is, burnt Toast!

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I went to the UN Central Registry for the information.

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.
There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

(COMMENT)

This is entirely wrong.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan.
There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt.

There is no Armistice between pre-1988 Palestine Territory and any other entity. There was no entity capable and competent to make an agreement other than the Madantory for the territory. In this case --- the government of the territory was the Mandatory and the border agreement is based off the Sykes-Picot agreement.

View attachment 38148

Based on the Convention of Paris, Britain and France set up a joint committee to clearly determine the demarcation of the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. The committee was headed by the British officer Stewart Newcombe (a Lieutenant Colonel with mapping experience) and a French Lt. Col. named M. Paulet. The Newcombe-Paulet committee delineated the Israeli-Lebanese border and described it verbally, placing 38 piles of stone on the ground to mark the border from Rosh ha-Nikra to the Hasbani River. On March 23, 1923, based on the committee's work, the governments of Britain and France signed an agreement that established the border between Palestine and Syria and Lebanon. That border was internationally recognized in May 1935, when the League of Nations approved the 1923 border at the request of Britain and France.
SOURCE: IICC

Between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was Jordanian Sovereign Territory; and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian Occupied Territory. --- But still geographically the Palestinian portion of the The Greater Levant.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine was not a part of the armistice agreements. They had no military and were not part of the 1948 war.

The armistice agreements did, however, mention Palestine's international borders as a reference to where the armistice lines were placed. The armistice lines are not borders so they did not change Palestine's international borders in any way.

The armistice lines DID NOT mention Palestine's international borders, as they were non existent

Pasted from the actual documents with links.

No Palestinian State Page 4 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Argue with the documents. I am just posting what they say.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The border/demarcation line between the Mandates (British'by'French) were complicated and difficult. But make no mistake that the lines (demarcation from the original occupation until 1935 when it was recognized internationally by the LoN) which later became partial boundaries of Israel, Lebanon and Syria where not to be confused with the creation or delineation of Palestine --- but the territory to which the Mandate applied.

Palestine was not a part of the armistice agreements. They had no military and were not part of the 1948 war.

The armistice agreements did, however, mention Palestine's international borders as a reference to where the armistice lines were placed. The armistice lines are not borders so they did not change Palestine's international borders in any way.

(COMMENT)

A detailed description of the lengthy process that ultimately led to the final determination of boundaries for the French and British mandates, which, in turn, informed the borders of modern Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Israel, is beyond the scope of this work, but can be found in the works of Ra'anan (1955), Sachar (1969; 1979; 1987b), Hof (1985), and Fromkin (1989). However, since the roots of subsequent water conflicts lie in the delineation of modern borders, it is important to examine in some detail the process and results, as well as the motives of each of the actors involved. The following outline of events leading up to the Anglo-French Convention in 1923 emphasizes only certain decisions, and is based on the works mentioned above. The interested reader is referred to that literature for more detail (see maps 9 -12).
SOURCE: This is the old United Nations University website.

Some things are more complicated then this forum can easily handle; they are both dynamically political and a research topic of scholastic characteristics. And it is a topic which is not easily discussed in an adversarial setting. The boundaries and demarcations were set by "allies" (the Allied Powers) to their mutual satisfaction --- based on agreements made early in the century.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

Toast:OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

You have to give him credit for his self-admission of his-own Stupidity!

I knew you were retarded PBel, but I figured that you would understand what it means when someone says "I feel dumber when I debate with you"

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Are you THAT stupid ? Look at the TITLE of the agreements. They are between Israel and 4 other countries. Palestine on the other hand was not part of the agreements. So your logic fails again.

OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

As you should.

Toast:OMG I feel dumber every time I debate with you.

You have to give him credit for his self-admission of his-own Stupidity!

I knew you were retarded PBel, but I figured that you would understand what it means when someone says "I feel dumber when I debate with you"

Don't you have some ridiculous poems to write ?

Toast: Don't you have some ridiculous poems to write ?[/QUOTE]

Give it up Toast, we understand as you self-roast,
Nor can we stand your rambling when you try to boast,

Try writing in Hebrew from left to right when you post,
Because handling English, your jabbering is, burnt Toast![/QUOTE]

Meh

4/10

You could do better Pbel.