No More Foreign Wars

[whitehall]

The reason the president doesn't wear a uniform is because the president is elected and the military is responsible to the civilian government but what happens when a mentally impaired president is at the helm? The 70's college protesters who fled to Canada to avoid the draft are in charge today and they are hungry for the political power the military gives them. The dirty little secret is that the mainstream media is filled with like minded idiots. In the greatest Country on the planet the people are still in charge and there is still an option to drain the swamp if you really care.

 

[Mushroom]

Vietnam was not divided up between the Russians and the West, the Russians had nothing to do with it,

Bullcrap. As always, you spout worthless propaganda and not actual facts.

The 1954 Geneva Conference that ended the Indochina War was negotiated by France, the PRC, the US, the UK, and the Soviet Union. Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Vyacheslav Molotov himself is the one that drafted and proposed the cease fire agreement between the Viet Minh and the French. And with his agreement helped draft the proposal to separate it into two nations, and the Soviet Union would advise the North, and the United States would advise the South.

That is a hell of a lot of involvement, where in the hell do you get the idea that the Soviet Union had nothing to do with it. Other than of course the "Russians" had nothing to do with it, there was no such nation at the time.

 

[Deadstick]

Bullcrap. As always, you spout worthless propaganda and not actual facts.

The 1954 Geneva Conference that ended the Indochina War was negotiated by France, the PRC, the US, the UK, and the Soviet Union. Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Vyacheslav Molotov himself is the one that drafted and proposed the cease fire agreement between the Viet Minh and the French. And with his agreement helped draft the proposal to separate it into two nations, and the Soviet Union would advise the North, and the United States would advise the South.

That is a hell of a lot of involvement, where in the hell do you get the idea that the Soviet Union had nothing to do with it. Other than of course the "Russians" had nothing to do with it, there was no such nation at the time.

Total Bollocks! that Geneva agreement and draft proposal was for any separation to be temporary until elections to unify the Country, you ignored that part.

 

[gipper]

Give peace a chance.

That’s not possible. There is too much wealth and power gained by the elite from war. Plus the people have been very effectively propagandized to accept every war. So, since all warlike empires die as history clearly informs, the US Empire too will die.

Live by the sword…well you know thing.

 

[Stryder50]

That’s not possible. There is too much wealth and power gained by the elite from war. Plus the people have been very effectively propagandized to accept every war. So, since all warlike empires die as history clearly informs, the US Empire too will die.

Live by the sword…well you know thing.

What you and several others here are saying is that if a nation chooses to use aggression and "the sword" against another nation, then the target/victim nation should not refuse~reject~resist such aggression/assault/violence.

I hardly find this a commendable, civil, or courageous attitude on the part of you and many other posters here.
I'm being polite, since actually I find such attitude and those who support-suggest such to be highly contemptible!

 

[Mushroom]

Total Bollocks! that Geneva agreement and draft proposal was for any separation to be temporary until elections to unify the Country, you ignored that part.

And I noticed you absolutely ignored the involvement of the Soviet Union in that. Once again, refuse to admit you were ever wrong and spin in the hopes that nobody catches that.

Oh, and what it included was a roadmap for unification. As in, eventually reconciling them into a single nation again. However, that pretty much went right out the window before the end of 1954. That is when North Vietnam started persecuting those that tried to leave their new "Workers Paradise" and move south, and to start conducting assassinations and military attacks on South Vietnam. Not many deny that the plan in the Geneva Conference was to see the nation unified within 10 years.

However, it's also rather stupid to expect a nation to unify with another when that other nation is constantly attacking them!

It would be like if it was proposed that there be a timeline for a possible unification of North and South Korea. Or Ukraine and Russia. It just ain't gonna ever happen, so long as one of those nations continues to attack the other. Nor should it ever be expected or considered.

The ink was barely dry on the peace documents when the attacks from North Vietnam started. And they were told many times that so long as they did, there would be no consideration of reconciliation. And of course we all know what finally happened. In 1973, North Vietnam sued for peace. And agreed to stop all attacks on South Vietnam, and to fully recognize them as a sovereign and independent nation. Then two years later attacked them yet again.

Once again, you are spewing propaganda and not facts. And I'm sure you are going to just try and spew this into more propaganda and completely avoid the facts I just pointed out.

Just like how the Soviet Union was highly involved in the Geneva Conference, as was China.

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. The nations that agreed to help administer the cease fire between the Viet Minh and French and their leaving the country? China, India, and Poland. Considering that you insisted that was only "Western Nations", I am seeing a hell of a lot of nations that were not "Western" involved in that conference and the decisions reached there.

 

[Deadstick]

And I noticed you absolutely ignored the involvement of the Soviet Union in that. Once again, refuse to admit you were ever wrong and spin in the hopes that nobody catches that.

Oh, and what it included was a roadmap for unification. As in, eventually reconciling them into a single nation again. However, that pretty much went right out the window before the end of 1954. That is when North Vietnam started persecuting those that tried to leave their new "Workers Paradise" and move south, and to start conducting assassinations and military attacks on South Vietnam. Not many deny that the plan in the Geneva Conference was to see the nation unified within 10 years.

However, it's also rather stupid to expect a nation to unify with another when that other nation is constantly attacking them!

It would be like if it was proposed that there be a timeline for a possible unification of North and South Korea. Or Ukraine and Russia. It just ain't gonna ever happen, so long as one of those nations continues to attack the other. Nor should it ever be expected or considered.

The ink was barely dry on the peace documents when the attacks from North Vietnam started. And they were told many times that so long as they did, there would be no consideration of reconciliation. And of course we all know what finally happened. In 1973, North Vietnam sued for peace. And agreed to stop all attacks on South Vietnam, and to fully recognize them as a sovereign and independent nation. Then two years later attacked them yet again.

Once again, you are spewing propaganda and not facts. And I'm sure you are going to just try and spew this into more propaganda and completely avoid the facts I just pointed out.

Just like how the Soviet Union was highly involved in the Geneva Conference, as was China.

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. The nations that agreed to help administer the cease fire between the Viet Minh and French and their leaving the country? China, India, and Poland. Considering that you insisted that was only "Western Nations", I am seeing a hell of a lot of nations that were not "Western" involved in that conference and the decisions reached there.

You have spun your own version of events that are not reality, at the start you made it sound like Russia and the US had a plan to split the Country between them, total bullshit, and there never were two Countries as i told you that divide was temporary and there were no attacks from the North until the US and the Southern puppet mde it clear they wouldn't go along with the Geneva deal, in fact they refused to sign it so Ho was left with no choice but to liberate the Country by force and that is what happened.

 

[Mushroom]

You have spun your own version of events that are not reality

Are you denying that North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam?

Because that is the only thing that would invalidate what I just said. So tell us, did that never happen? Yes or no, it's really simple.

And why in the hell should any nation consider unifying when it's constantly being attacked.

Once again here are facts. In July 1954, the agreement was signed. And immediately the North started persecuting and imprisoning those who tried to flee to the south (which was one of the agreements - free transit to and from North and South Vietnam for 180 days). And in 1955 the Viet Minh reorganized as the Viet Cong and started conducting attacks and assassinations in South Vietnam. That all started happening within days of the agreement, and through the first year of it. Your claims are complete garbage, as North Vietnam was never going to stand for elections.

 

[Deadstick]

Are you denying that North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam?

Because that is the only thing that would invalidate what I just said. So tell us, did that never happen? Yes or no, it's really simple.

And why in the hell should any nation consider unifying when it's constantly being attacked.

As i said they were not two separate Countries, the North liberated the Country that meant attacking the Southern forces how else would you liberate the Country? and the election would have been nationwide so the people would decide, Ho would have won that is why it never happened, you lost that war time to move on.

 

[Mushroom]

As i said they were not two separate Countries

Guess what, bozo?

In the 1973 Paris Peace Accords, North Vietnam recognized officially that South Vietnam was a sovereign and independent nation.

They were two separate nations, and North Vietnam recognized that in 1973.

With a view to ending the war and restoring peace in Viet-Nam on the basis of respect for the Vietnamese people's fundamental national rights and the South Vietnamese people's right to self-determination, and to contributing to the consolidation of peace in Asia and the world

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%20935/volume-935-I-13295-English.pdf

So you are once again spewing propaganda and nothing else.

 

[Stryder50]

As i said they were not two separate Countries, the North liberated the Country that meant attacking the Southern forces how else would you liberate the Country? and the election would have been nationwide so the people would decide, Ho would have won that is why it never happened, you lost that war time to move on.

I suggest you redo your primary and secondary education.
You seem to have failed history and geography.

Prior to the 1954 "settlement", French Indo-China included more than just "Vietnam".
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French Indochina (previously spelled as French Indo-China),[a]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Indochina#cite_note-9 officially known as the Indochinese Union[c][d] and after 1941 as the Indochinese Federation,[e] was a grouping of French colonial territories in Mainland Southeast Asia until its end in 1954. It comprised Cambodia, Laos (from 1899), the Chinese territory of Guangzhouwan (from 1898 until 1945), and the Vietnamese regions of Tonkin in the north, Annam in the centre, and Cochinchina in the south. The capital for most of its history (1902–1945) was Hanoi; Saigon was the capital from 1887 to 1902 and again from 1945 to 1946.
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French Indochina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Footnote" During the last half of the last decade during last century and the first decade of this century, the production "cell" I worked in at the "airplane parts subcontractor" was mostly SouthEast Asians, who had fled the North Vietnamese conquest of SouthEast Asia. I've some person knowledge through them and other sources of conditions from 1954 to 1973/1975+.

 

[Deadstick]

I suggest you redo your primary and secondary education.
You seem to have failed history and geography.

Prior to the 1954 "settlement", French Indo-China included more than just "Vietnam".
...
French Indochina (previously spelled as French Indo-China),[a]French Indochina - Wikipedia officially known as the Indochinese Union[c][d] and after 1941 as the Indochinese Federation,[e] was a grouping of French colonial territories in Mainland Southeast Asia until its end in 1954. It comprised Cambodia, Laos (from 1899), the Chinese territory of Guangzhouwan (from 1898 until 1945), and the Vietnamese regions of Tonkin in the north, Annam in the centre, and Cochinchina in the south. The capital for most of its history (1902–1945) was Hanoi; Saigon was the capital from 1887 to 1902 and again from 1945 to 1946.
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French Indochina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Footnote" During the last half of the last decade during last century and the first decade of this century, the production "cell" I worked in at the "airplane parts subcontractor" was mostly SouthEast Asians, who had fled the North Vietnamese conquest of SouthEast Asia. I've some person knowledge through them and other sources of conditions from 1954 to 1973/1975+.

I failed nothing and know about the history, history the US forgot or they wouldn't have become involved.

 

[gipper]

What you and several others here are saying is that if a nation chooses to use aggression and "the sword" against another nation, then the target/victim nation should not refuse~reject~resist such aggression/assault/violence.

I hardly find this a commendable, civil, or courageous attitude on the part of you and many other posters here.
I'm being polite, since actually I find such attitude and those who support-suggest such to be highly contemptible!

You have it exactly backwards because you know nothing, other than what the state control media told you.

 

[MisterBeale]

You have it exactly backwards because you know nothing, other than what the state control media told you.

The folks that are doing the censoring? Are usually the bad guys to most real Americans.

If the truth were on the side of Israel, they would not be engaged in killing journalists and shutting down information about all this.

Photos: Israeli forces raid and shut down Al Jazeera office in Ramallah

Israeli troops order Al Jazeera’s shutdown aimed at silencing network’s coverage of Gaza war.

www.aljazeera.com

The fates of Gaza and Julian Assange are sealed together

Were they being properly reported, two critically important court hearings this week - in London and The Hague - would expose the US 'rules-based order' as a hollow sham

www.middleeasteye.net

Assange deal: to delete 45000 dnc emails

But of course if you’re a Republican you’re just SOOL https://thepostmillennial.com/wikileaks-cache-of-45000-dnc-emails-deleted-after-founder-julian-assange-reaches-plea-deal-with-us Interesting the most damaging emails to the government come from democrats. It’s almost like they don’t have...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Mushroom]

I failed nothing and know about the history

Then how come your claims actually contradict actual treaties signed by both North and South Vietnam?

You may know history, but you spout nonsensical propaganda.

Oh, and still waiting for an explanation how the Soviet Union had nothing to do with the end of the Indochina War and the breakup of French Indochina into Cambodia, Laos, and North and South Vietnam.

 

[gipper]

Then how come your claims actually contradict actual treaties signed by both North and South Vietnam?

You may know history, but you spout nonsensical propaganda.

Oh, and still waiting for an explanation how the Soviet Union had nothing to do with the end of the Indochina War and the breakup of French Indochina into Cambodia, Laos, and North and South Vietnam.

You’re not defending US actions in Vietnam right?

 

[Litwin]

You’re not defending US actions in Vietnam right?

 

[Litwin]

 

[Ringo]

 

[gipper]

Because the enormous profits generated by war is just to tempting for the assholes running the war machine and by extension, the two political crime families.