No matter how this election ends up, evangelicals are coming out of this a loosers.

[Pogo]

2. The same media he used to blast away also got used against him and turned ppl so far off they refused to support him and actively campaigned against him. He deliberately played the same celebrity and campaign games that were used on him.

You still don't get it.
There's really no such thing as media being used "against" you if it's giving you ATTENTION. Sure the content may be negative --- on the surface and in the moment --- but that quickly fades in the traditional seven-day news window. What remains is the attention and the notoriety it bestows. That shouldn't be important, but it is in a country full of morons who vote on the basis of "I've heard of that guy -- he's been on TV".

So you may score fewer points with a day-after-day story about a captured conversation on a bus ---- but you're still getting publicity every day. And you get a lot more than you get for showing up in a Louisiana flood and handing out Play Doh, so in effect you've scored MORE points.

Gotta understand media psychology, Em. You get more "points" for being talked about negatively for a week than you get for being talked about positively for two days.

He wasn't afraid to go on camera confronting Clinton and say things no one else dared to say.

He's a loose cannon with the emotional maturity of a twelve-year-old. That's why no one's willing to say them -- most people actually grow up. Most people grow what we call a "filter".

So yes the same games he played the media for went both ways. He used those same tactics to bear them at it.

I guess that's a typo. You mean "beat them at it"?
I don't think you're seeing my point. He didn't "beat them at it". THEY BOTH WON. You don't seem to understand what each one's motive is. That's what I just tried to spell out. They used each other to mutual advantage. You're focused on the content, which is the irrelevant tree --- pan back and see the forest.

Content is immaterial. The manipulation of the medium is the message.

Mass media's motive isn't to "beat" anybody. It's to enrich itself. And Rump gives them many many MANY tools to do that.

It should have cost him the election with all the negative hype against him.

See above.

I still wonder if something could happen before the Electoral College vote in December. Could something illegal be found in his records where he gets disqualified?

Yannno ---- I hear he was born in Kenya. Many people have said that. I read a report. It was yuge. I read it along with thousands and thousands of cheering people on a rooftop in Jersey City.

I saw a YouTube video featuring a phone call from a demented street preacher talking to his grandmother in Kenya who says he was born there. Well she doesn't say that but the interpreter does. Well, actually you can't hear his voice but the demented street preacher says that's what he said, and that's good enough for me.

Hey, it worked for O'bama. Went on for some seven years so why not?

Anyone voting based on image or anything else in the media would have said NO to Trump.

OK then you explain what went down yesterday. I already have.

 

[IsaacNewton]

And Boy do they deserve it. They made their position clear, whether it is anti abortion or conservative value, they would have us voter for the Devil himself to get their way. No religious group has looked uglier then a Christian organization that would have our children learning from and respect this republican candidate. They have no clue what Jesus message was and is.

This is one of the side benefits of this cluster-fuck. Evangelicals have been outed as having no values at all. As you said, they will clean the devil's pool and kiss his pinky ring to have power. They are the church in medieval times, when the church and the monarchy oppressed the people hand in hand.

Dear IsaacNewton and jbander
Yes, people question both sides, whether Bush Romney or Trump or Obama/Clinton as not being real Christians either.

As for Trump if you ask Bishop EW Jackson and Radio minister Darrell Scott they will vouch that Trump is a good man who is on the same page with their faith in God's will and purpose for America, regardless of where Trump stands with his path in growth in Christian faith. They will vouch he's on the right path.

Many of the more conservative Black church leaders feel the liberal Democrats agenda has gone too far in the wrong direction with enabling destructive behavior from drugs to abortion in the name of freedom without responsibility for consequences. So while some focus on criticizing the right for losing compassion and being unforgiving, as many blame the left for the BLM victim approach that blames but doesn't recognize equal responsibility for addressing abuses of force in their own communities but scapegoats others.

The criticism is mutual on both sides. So instead of mutual fingerprinting and fault finding, why not correct each other in order to solve all the problems?

The real Christian instructions are to redress grievances and trespasses one on one directly to restore good faith neighborly relations. That's the truth Christian way, so we'll see if the leaders on left and right take that unifying path instead of dividing left and right to put politics before their Christian calling to rebuild relations and community.

No this is another thing that is ending. This false equivalency garbage. Evangelicals have come out of the closet, they are not Christians. Period. They will do anything to gain power in the government. Anything. This is anti-thetical to Christ's teachings. They don't care. They will lie and cheat and will cheer on a lie and a cheat without blinking. They are not Christians. Their mask is finally off for good.

That Piece Of Shit trump is one of the most immoral humans alive. Yet fake kristians support him with great glee. He isn't a Christian and neither are they. There is no half measure or going back now, he has exposed Christians and Evangelicals as the charlatans that they are. They are not followers of Christ.

Dear IsaacNewton
I still think you could say that on both sides.
Many question the ministers who come out for the cameras with BLM, while other pastors call that anger demonic.

Do you think siding and encouraging people to incite crowds to chant about attacking pigs is loving and Christian?

If pastors don't address that, but stand with it demanding justice for people showing disrespect for law, don't you think that should be questioned also as political and selling out?

The thread is about evangelicals. You can find many other threads about BLM.

 

[emilynghiem]

And Boy do they deserve it. They made their position clear, whether it is anti abortion or conservative value, they would have us voter for the Devil himself to get their way. No religious group has looked uglier then a Christian organization that would have our children learning from and respect this republican candidate. They have no clue what Jesus message was and is.

This is one of the side benefits of this cluster-fuck. Evangelicals have been outed as having no values at all. As you said, they will clean the devil's pool and kiss his pinky ring to have power. They are the church in medieval times, when the church and the monarchy oppressed the people hand in hand.

Dear IsaacNewton and jbander
Yes, people question both sides, whether Bush Romney or Trump or Obama/Clinton as not being real Christians either.

As for Trump if you ask Bishop EW Jackson and Radio minister Darrell Scott they will vouch that Trump is a good man who is on the same page with their faith in God's will and purpose for America, regardless of where Trump stands with his path in growth in Christian faith. They will vouch he's on the right path.

Many of the more conservative Black church leaders feel the liberal Democrats agenda has gone too far in the wrong direction with enabling destructive behavior from drugs to abortion in the name of freedom without responsibility for consequences. So while some focus on criticizing the right for losing compassion and being unforgiving, as many blame the left for the BLM victim approach that blames but doesn't recognize equal responsibility for addressing abuses of force in their own communities but scapegoats others.

The criticism is mutual on both sides. So instead of mutual fingerprinting and fault finding, why not correct each other in order to solve all the problems?

The real Christian instructions are to redress grievances and trespasses one on one directly to restore good faith neighborly relations. That's the truth Christian way, so we'll see if the leaders on left and right take that unifying path instead of dividing left and right to put politics before their Christian calling to rebuild relations and community.

No this is another thing that is ending. This false equivalency garbage. Evangelicals have come out of the closet, they are not Christians. Period. They will do anything to gain power in the government. Anything. This is anti-thetical to Christ's teachings. They don't care. They will lie and cheat and will cheer on a lie and a cheat without blinking. They are not Christians. Their mask is finally off for good.

That Piece Of Shit trump is one of the most immoral humans alive. Yet fake kristians support him with great glee. He isn't a Christian and neither are they. There is no half measure or going back now, he has exposed Christians and Evangelicals as the charlatans that they are. They are not followers of Christ.

Dear IsaacNewton
I still think you could say that on both sides.
Many question the ministers who come out for the cameras with BLM, while other pastors call that anger demonic.

Do you think siding and encouraging people to incite crowds to chant about attacking pigs is loving and Christian?

If pastors don't address that, but stand with it demanding justice for people showing disrespect for law, don't you think that should be questioned also as political and selling out?

The thread is about evangelicals. You can find many other threads about BLM.

You don't count the pastors coming out for the BLM as evangelicals?

Do you mean just the TV types seeking donations?

If the Christians are teaching forgiveness healing and restoration for its own reward, that's the real msg.

They can be TV preachers and still teach the right msg. It's not their appearance or position but the content and spirit of their message that is the key.

 

[IsaacNewton]

This is one of the side benefits of this cluster-fuck. Evangelicals have been outed as having no values at all. As you said, they will clean the devil's pool and kiss his pinky ring to have power. They are the church in medieval times, when the church and the monarchy oppressed the people hand in hand.

Dear IsaacNewton and jbander
Yes, people question both sides, whether Bush Romney or Trump or Obama/Clinton as not being real Christians either.

As for Trump if you ask Bishop EW Jackson and Radio minister Darrell Scott they will vouch that Trump is a good man who is on the same page with their faith in God's will and purpose for America, regardless of where Trump stands with his path in growth in Christian faith. They will vouch he's on the right path.

Many of the more conservative Black church leaders feel the liberal Democrats agenda has gone too far in the wrong direction with enabling destructive behavior from drugs to abortion in the name of freedom without responsibility for consequences. So while some focus on criticizing the right for losing compassion and being unforgiving, as many blame the left for the BLM victim approach that blames but doesn't recognize equal responsibility for addressing abuses of force in their own communities but scapegoats others.

The criticism is mutual on both sides. So instead of mutual fingerprinting and fault finding, why not correct each other in order to solve all the problems?

The real Christian instructions are to redress grievances and trespasses one on one directly to restore good faith neighborly relations. That's the truth Christian way, so we'll see if the leaders on left and right take that unifying path instead of dividing left and right to put politics before their Christian calling to rebuild relations and community.

No this is another thing that is ending. This false equivalency garbage. Evangelicals have come out of the closet, they are not Christians. Period. They will do anything to gain power in the government. Anything. This is anti-thetical to Christ's teachings. They don't care. They will lie and cheat and will cheer on a lie and a cheat without blinking. They are not Christians. Their mask is finally off for good.

That Piece Of Shit trump is one of the most immoral humans alive. Yet fake kristians support him with great glee. He isn't a Christian and neither are they. There is no half measure or going back now, he has exposed Christians and Evangelicals as the charlatans that they are. They are not followers of Christ.

Dear IsaacNewton
I still think you could say that on both sides.
Many question the ministers who come out for the cameras with BLM, while other pastors call that anger demonic.

Do you think siding and encouraging people to incite crowds to chant about attacking pigs is loving and Christian?

If pastors don't address that, but stand with it demanding justice for people showing disrespect for law, don't you think that should be questioned also as political and selling out?

The thread is about evangelicals. You can find many other threads about BLM.

You don't count the pastors coming out for the BLM as evangelicals?

Do you mean just the TV types seeking donations?

If the Christians are teaching forgiveness healing and restoration for its own reward, that's the real msg.

They can be TV preachers and still teach the right msg. It's not their appearance or position but the content and spirit of their message that is the key.

It's a false equivalency. Argue with someone else, thanks.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Evangelicals were duped like fools during the Dubya years. And they've paid the price for it. Hopefully they've come back to reality and will vote for the good of the world instead of voting for their imagined eternal rewards; regardless if that means voting for Trump, Clinton, Stein, or Johnson.

What do you have against Christians?
I mean did you have a close relative or friend die when you asked God to heal them?
Did you cross paths with some phoney Christian?
really.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear IsaacNewton and jbander
Yes, people question both sides, whether Bush Romney or Trump or Obama/Clinton as not being real Christians either.

As for Trump if you ask Bishop EW Jackson and Radio minister Darrell Scott they will vouch that Trump is a good man who is on the same page with their faith in God's will and purpose for America, regardless of where Trump stands with his path in growth in Christian faith. They will vouch he's on the right path.

Many of the more conservative Black church leaders feel the liberal Democrats agenda has gone too far in the wrong direction with enabling destructive behavior from drugs to abortion in the name of freedom without responsibility for consequences. So while some focus on criticizing the right for losing compassion and being unforgiving, as many blame the left for the BLM victim approach that blames but doesn't recognize equal responsibility for addressing abuses of force in their own communities but scapegoats others.

The criticism is mutual on both sides. So instead of mutual fingerprinting and fault finding, why not correct each other in order to solve all the problems?

The real Christian instructions are to redress grievances and trespasses one on one directly to restore good faith neighborly relations. That's the truth Christian way, so we'll see if the leaders on left and right take that unifying path instead of dividing left and right to put politics before their Christian calling to rebuild relations and community.

No this is another thing that is ending. This false equivalency garbage. Evangelicals have come out of the closet, they are not Christians. Period. They will do anything to gain power in the government. Anything. This is anti-thetical to Christ's teachings. They don't care. They will lie and cheat and will cheer on a lie and a cheat without blinking. They are not Christians. Their mask is finally off for good.

That Piece Of Shit trump is one of the most immoral humans alive. Yet fake kristians support him with great glee. He isn't a Christian and neither are they. There is no half measure or going back now, he has exposed Christians and Evangelicals as the charlatans that they are. They are not followers of Christ.

Dear IsaacNewton
I still think you could say that on both sides.
Many question the ministers who come out for the cameras with BLM, while other pastors call that anger demonic.

Do you think siding and encouraging people to incite crowds to chant about attacking pigs is loving and Christian?

If pastors don't address that, but stand with it demanding justice for people showing disrespect for law, don't you think that should be questioned also as political and selling out?

The thread is about evangelicals. You can find many other threads about BLM.

You don't count the pastors coming out for the BLM as evangelicals?

Do you mean just the TV types seeking donations?

If the Christians are teaching forgiveness healing and restoration for its own reward, that's the real msg.

They can be TV preachers and still teach the right msg. It's not their appearance or position but the content and spirit of their message that is the key.

It's a false equivalency. Argue with someone else, thanks.

Which evangelicals are you talking about?

If we name specific people we can be sure we're addressing the same ones.
Fair enough?
IsaacNewton

 

[emilynghiem]

2. The same media he used to blast away also got used against him and turned ppl so far off they refused to support him and actively campaigned against him. He deliberately played the same celebrity and campaign games that were used on him.

You still don't get it.
There's really no such thing as media being used "against" you if it's giving you ATTENTION. Sure the content may be negative --- on the surface and in the moment --- but that quickly fades in the traditional seven-day news window. What remains is the attention and the notoriety it bestows. That shouldn't be important, but it is in a country full of morons who vote on the basis of "I've heard of that guy -- he's been on TV".

So you may score fewer points with a day-after-day story about a captured conversation on a bus ---- but you're still getting publicity every day. And you get a lot more than you get for showing up in a Louisiana flood and handing out Play Doh, so in effect you've scored MORE points.

Gotta understand media psychology, Em. You get more "points" for being talked about negatively for a week than you get for being talked about positively for two days.

He wasn't afraid to go on camera confronting Clinton and say things no one else dared to say.

He's a loose cannon with the emotional maturity of a twelve-year-old. That's why no one's willing to say them -- most people actually grow up. Most people grow what we call a "filter".

So yes the same games he played the media for went both ways. He used those same tactics to bear them at it.

I guess that's a typo. You mean "beat them at it"?
I don't think you're seeing my point. He didn't "beat them at it". THEY BOTH WON. You don't seem to understand what each one's motive is. That's what I just tried to spell out. They used each other to mutual advantage. You're focused on the content, which is the irrelevant tree --- pan back and see the forest.

Content is immaterial. The manipulation of the medium is the message.

Mass media's motive isn't to "beat" anybody. It's to enrich itself. And Rump gives them many many MANY tools to do that.

It should have cost him the election with all the negative hype against him.

See above.

I still wonder if something could happen before the Electoral College vote in December. Could something illegal be found in his records where he gets disqualified?

Yannno ---- I hear he was born in Kenya. Many people have said that. I read a report. It was yuge. I read it along with thousands and thousands of cheering people on a rooftop in Jersey City.

I saw a YouTube video featuring a phone call from a demented street preacher talking to his grandmother in Kenya who says he was born there. Well she doesn't say that but the interpreter does. Well, actually you can't hear his voice but the demented street preacher says that's what he said, and that's good enough for me.

Hey, it worked for O'bama. Went on for some seven years so why not?

Anyone voting based on image or anything else in the media would have said NO to Trump.

OK then you explain what went down yesterday. I already have.

Dear Pogo
I think we must be saying the same thing because I agree with everything you say. And more!

I agree Trump played the whole game better (that is usually used to tear down the conservative like the media did to Romney.)

The media plays up to Clinton's and Obama
and Democrats.

So Trump had to go overboard to counteract that trend, and as you stated it exactly, use bad press for more presence and publicity. I agree.

The last I remember the media made someone on the right look good was Reagan.

Then all the bashing started some time around Clinton where the right wing pushed their prolife Christian message into overdrive through right-wing media, citing the mainstream media was biased liberal.

That's when this went into high gear and
Just got worse since then.

If it's any help to know where I'm coming from,
I call the real progressive left the KPFT Amy Goodman bernie sanders and green crowd.

This thing that the right complains as liberal media bias is actually the commercialized version of liberal or limousine liberals who
Get media coverage and public support.

That capitalistic cronyism type corporate liberal slant is what the right wing calls the liberals. This campaign season did more to show the split between the real progressive left and the elitist Democrats who control the party, and the corporatized media.

 

[JohnPrewett]

Globalist constitute a global network of Satanist pedophiles. The pope is the kingpin of the Globalist.
Some prominent Globalist are “Royal” families, Kissinger, Rockefeller and Soros.

The prime Globalist project is empowering a One World Government.
To do this they know they must transform all "sovereign" nations into provinces of a sovereign One World Government.

Thus GLOBALIST are currently working to reduce EVERY "sovereign" nation into a failed state.
This is the purpose of the Muslim influx of people and influence into Europe and USA.

This is the purpose of exacerbating racial animosity by favoring one race over another [example: so called “Affirmative Action”].

Globalist know that people of a failed state will want the security that will be promised through the One World Government.

American POTUSs for many decades have in fact been working to make USA a FAILED STATE. Obama will finish that work.

The One World Government is ORDAINED to come into existence. The Beast must have his throne.

Revelation 13->forward reveals soul-saving blessing conveying information regarding OUR end of era scenario found nowhere else.

The God-sent Revelation is the ONLY trustworthy written source of information about the coming NWOrder "global government" the BEAST will rule for 3.5 years.

The wonderful “silver lining” in the dark cloud is that God is giving us opportunity to “REIGN WITH CHRIST” as per Revelation 20:4.

SLINGING SEEDS

 

[emilynghiem]

Globalist constitute a global network of Satanist pedophiles. The pope is the kingpin of the Globalist.
Some prominent Globalist are “Royal” families, Kissinger, Rockefeller and Soros.

The prime Globalist project is empowering a One World Government.
To do this they know they must transform all "sovereign" nations into provinces of a sovereign One World Government.

Thus GLOBALIST are currently working to reduce EVERY "sovereign" nation into a failed state.
This is the purpose of the Muslim influx of people and influence into Europe and USA.

This is the purpose of exacerbating racial animosity by favoring one race over another [example: so called “Affirmative Action”].

Globalist know that people of a failed state will want the security that will be promised through the One World Government.

American POTUSs for many decades have in fact been working to make USA a FAILED STATE. Obama will finish that work.

The One World Government is ORDAINED to come into existence. The Beast must have his throne.

Revelation 13->forward reveals soul-saving blessing conveying information regarding OUR end of era scenario found nowhere else.

The God-sent Revelation is the ONLY trustworthy written source of information about the coming NWOrder "global government" the BEAST will rule for 3.5 years.

The wonderful “silver lining” in the dark cloud is that God is giving us opportunity to “REIGN WITH CHRIST” as per Revelation 20:4.

SLINGING SEEDS

HI JohnPrewett and welcome aboard. Your post brings up many new topics. May I invite you to start a new thread for this. If your focus is religion and revelation, the religion and ethics section may be better to reach interested members. If your focus is conspiracy there's a section for that too. When you start new posts, make sure you include your own words and commentary. Not just post quotes from other sources.

Please feel free to visit other sections. You might divide your posts so you discuss one issue at a time. Thanks John! Yours truly, Emily

 

[Pogo]

Globalist constitute a global network of Satanist pedophiles. The pope is the kingpin of the Globalist.
Some prominent Globalist are “Royal” families, Kissinger, Rockefeller and Soros.

The prime Globalist project is empowering a One World Government.
To do this they know they must transform all "sovereign" nations into provinces of a sovereign One World Government.

Thus GLOBALIST are currently working to reduce EVERY "sovereign" nation into a failed state.
This is the purpose of the Muslim influx of people and influence into Europe and USA.

This is the purpose of exacerbating racial animosity by favoring one race over another [example: so called “Affirmative Action”].

Globalist know that people of a failed state will want the security that will be promised through the One World Government.

American POTUSs for many decades have in fact been working to make USA a FAILED STATE. Obama will finish that work.

The One World Government is ORDAINED to come into existence. The Beast must have his throne.

Revelation 13->forward reveals soul-saving blessing conveying information regarding OUR end of era scenario found nowhere else.

The God-sent Revelation is the ONLY trustworthy written source of information about the coming NWOrder "global government" the BEAST will rule for 3.5 years.

The wonderful “silver lining” in the dark cloud is that God is giving us opportunity to “REIGN WITH CHRIST” as per Revelation 20:4.

SLINGING SEEDS

Here's a free tip.
In English we commonly form plurals using the letter S. Consider it.