No government required

[P@triot]

Think of Enron. The business of business is to make as much money as possible, with only law or regulation limiting the schemes they employ.

I've got news for you - my idealistic little snowflake - but law and regulation doesn't achieve that. If it did, we would have no Bernie Madoff, no Allen Stanford, no Tyco, no Enron, no Bear-Sterns, etc.

J.D. Rockefeller famously bought up every oil barrel to prevent his competition from getting their product to market

And that is the beauty of the free market. Without the government illegally stepping in, innovators would have immediately gotten to work and created an alternative to oil. The "green" energy you so desperately love would have been developed about 7 decades ago. Just another example of left-wing policy and ideology stymieing innovation and progress.

 

[francoHFW]

The left hates this undeniable reality - but here is yet another example that the government is not needed for anything outside of the 18 specific enumerated powers the states delegate to them.

In July, Microsoft announced a “Rural Airband Initiative” to invest in partnerships with telecommunications companies to bring broadband connectivity to 2 million more people in rural America by 2022.

Business will always build the infrastructure necessary (and more efficiently and at a lower cost) because it will ultimately end in more sales or lower cost for them.

Microsoft’s Plan to Expand Broadband Would Benefit Rural Americans

Ever heard of GPS? Hate to tell you, but it was developed by the government, and the government is also the ones that put in the infrastructure for it to be useful.

Incidentally, there was talk about not allowing civilians to use GPS, but then they changed their mind and released it to civilian companies.

Sorry.............but there are several examples where the government has developed things well ahead of civilian businesses.

Another one of them is the computer.

Government may develop some tech but private industry is what advances technology and makes it readily available to the general public.

That's why at this point we have the worst internet service and infrastructure in the modern world... 35 years of the GOP cutting taxes on the rich have done this. almost no investment in training and education, infrastructure investment cut in half. GOP dupes have no idea about this but they know all the phony democratic scandals in detail...

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The left hates this undeniable reality - but here is yet another example that the government is not needed for anything outside of the 18 specific enumerated powers the states delegate to them.

In July, Microsoft announced a “Rural Airband Initiative” to invest in partnerships with telecommunications companies to bring broadband connectivity to 2 million more people in rural America by 2022.

Business will always build the infrastructure necessary (and more efficiently and at a lower cost) because it will ultimately end in more sales or lower cost for them.

Microsoft’s Plan to Expand Broadband Would Benefit Rural Americans

Ever heard of GPS? Hate to tell you, but it was developed by the government, and the government is also the ones that put in the infrastructure for it to be useful.

Incidentally, there was talk about not allowing civilians to use GPS, but then they changed their mind and released it to civilian companies.or

Sorry.............but there are several examples where the government has developed things well ahead of civilian businesses.

Another one of them is the computer.

Government may develop some tech but private industry is what advances technology and makes it readily available to the general public.

That's why at this point we have the worst internet service and infrastructure in the modern world... 35 years of the GOP cutting taxes on the rich have done this. almost no investment in training and education, infrastructure investment cut in half. GOP dupes have no idea about this but they know all the phony democratic scandals in detail...

No we don't the US is in the top 10 countries for average internet speeds and what your not taking into account is the other countries that have higher speeds are tiny compared to the US its the same for infrastructure.
We have over 600,000 bridges and the largest road network in the world and all of that is spread out over 3.8 million sq. miles

 

[grainbely]

Um. Idk if you knew this but big oil, coal, chemical, livestock, etc., would happily poison the shit out of us and claim ignorance. Do you think this would be better without the government? Something has to impose rules.

Um...IDK if you know this...but Adolf Hitler and the Nazis brutally murdered millions because they got to "impose the rules". So did Joseph Stalin. Benito Mussolini. Saddam Hussein. Vladimir Lenin. Let me know when you want me to stop - this could go on for a while.

You ignored my question because you know your position doesn't have a good respones. It's ok. I'll accept the win over you.

 

[bripat9643]

Um. Idk if you knew this but big oil, coal, chemical, livestock, etc., would happily poison the shit out of us and claim ignorance. Do you think this would be better without the government? Something has to impose rules.

Think of Enron. The business of business is to make as much money as possible, with only law or regulation limiting the schemes they employ.

So? What limits the schemes politicians employ? Answer: only public outrage.

J.D. Rockefeller famously bought up every oil barrel to prevent his competition from getting their product to market

That's not true. Standard oil just sold the refined product cheaper than anyone else.

 

[francoHFW]

The left hates this undeniable reality - but here is yet another example that the government is not needed for anything outside of the 18 specific enumerated powers the states delegate to them.

In July, Microsoft announced a “Rural Airband Initiative” to invest in partnerships with telecommunications companies to bring broadband connectivity to 2 million more people in rural America by 2022.

Business will always build the infrastructure necessary (and more efficiently and at a lower cost) because it will ultimately end in more sales or lower cost for them.

Microsoft’s Plan to Expand Broadband Would Benefit Rural Americans

Ever heard of GPS? Hate to tell you, but it was developed by the government, and the government is also the ones that put in the infrastructure for it to be useful.

Incidentally, there was talk about not allowing civilians to use GPS, but then they changed their mind and released it to civilian companies.or

Sorry.............but there are several examples where the government has developed things well ahead of civilian businesses.

Another one of them is the computer.

Government may develop some tech but private industry is what advances technology and makes it readily available to the general public.

That's why at this point we have the worst internet service and infrastructure in the modern world... 35 years of the GOP cutting taxes on the rich have done this. almost no investment in training and education, infrastructure investment cut in half. GOP dupes have no idea about this but they know all the phony democratic scandals in detail...

No we don't the US is in the top 10 countries for average internet speeds and what your not taking into account is the other countries that have higher speeds are tiny compared to the US its the same for infrastructure.
We have over 600,000 bridges and the largest road network in the world and all of that is spread out over 3.8 million sq. miles

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in and our internet costs at least twice as much as any other modern country...

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The left hates this undeniable reality - but here is yet another example that the government is not needed for anything outside of the 18 specific enumerated powers the states delegate to them.
Business will always build the infrastructure necessary (and more efficiently and at a lower cost) because it will ultimately end in more sales or lower cost for them.

Microsoft’s Plan to Expand Broadband Would Benefit Rural Americans

Ever heard of GPS? Hate to tell you, but it was developed by the government, and the government is also the ones that put in the infrastructure for it to be useful.

Incidentally, there was talk about not allowing civilians to use GPS, but then they changed their mind and released it to civilian companies.or

Sorry.............but there are several examples where the government has developed things well ahead of civilian businesses.

Another one of them is the computer.

Government may develop some tech but private industry is what advances technology and makes it readily available to the general public.

That's why at this point we have the worst internet service and infrastructure in the modern world... 35 years of the GOP cutting taxes on the rich have done this. almost no investment in training and education, infrastructure investment cut in half. GOP dupes have no idea about this but they know all the phony democratic scandals in detail...

No we don't the US is in the top 10 countries for average internet speeds and what your not taking into account is the other countries that have higher speeds are tiny compared to the US its the same for infrastructure.
We have over 600,000 bridges and the largest road network in the world and all of that is spread out over 3.8 million sq. miles

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in and our internet costs at least twice as much as any other modern country...

You need to really search for facts before you post something.

 

[francoHFW]

Ever heard of GPS? Hate to tell you, but it was developed by the government, and the government is also the ones that put in the infrastructure for it to be useful.

Incidentally, there was talk about not allowing civilians to use GPS, but then they changed their mind and released it to civilian companies.or

Sorry.............but there are several examples where the government has developed things well ahead of civilian businesses.

Another one of them is the computer.

Government may develop some tech but private industry is what advances technology and makes it readily available to the general public.

That's why at this point we have the worst internet service and infrastructure in the modern world... 35 years of the GOP cutting taxes on the rich have done this. almost no investment in training and education, infrastructure investment cut in half. GOP dupes have no idea about this but they know all the phony democratic scandals in detail...

No we don't the US is in the top 10 countries for average internet speeds and what your not taking into account is the other countries that have higher speeds are tiny compared to the US its the same for infrastructure.
We have over 600,000 bridges and the largest road network in the world and all of that is spread out over 3.8 million sq. miles

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in and our internet costs at least twice as much as any other modern country...

You need to really search for facts before you post something. View attachment 167531

Damn expensive... Link?

 

[francoHFW]

Government may develop some tech but private industry is what advances technology and makes it readily available to the general public.

That's why at this point we have the worst internet service and infrastructure in the modern world... 35 years of the GOP cutting taxes on the rich have done this. almost no investment in training and education, infrastructure investment cut in half. GOP dupes have no idea about this but they know all the phony democratic scandals in detail...

No we don't the US is in the top 10 countries for average internet speeds and what your not taking into account is the other countries that have higher speeds are tiny compared to the US its the same for infrastructure.
We have over 600,000 bridges and the largest road network in the world and all of that is spread out over 3.8 million sq. miles

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in and our internet costs at least twice as much as any other modern country...

You need to really search for facts before you post something. View attachment 167531

Damn expensive... Link?

https://gizmodo.com/5390014/internet-speeds-and-costs-around-the-world-shown-visually

 

[P@triot]

Um. Idk if you knew this but big oil, coal, chemical, livestock, etc., would happily poison the shit out of us and claim ignorance. Do you think this would be better without the government? Something has to impose rules.

Um...IDK if you know this...but Adolf Hitler and the Nazis brutally murdered millions because they got to "impose the rules". So did Joseph Stalin. Benito Mussolini. Saddam Hussein. Vladimir Lenin. Let me know when you want me to stop - this could go on for a while.

You ignored my question because you know your position doesn't have a good respones. It's ok. I'll accept the win over you.

I didn’t ignore it - I addressed it head on. And it illustrated your profound ignorance. Hence your ignoring it and declaring a “victory” for yourself that never existed.

 

[P@triot]

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in and our internet costs at least twice as much as any other modern country...

You need to really search for facts before you post something. View attachment 167531

Stating that francoHFW needs to research before posting is like stating that Ethiopians need to eat before working. Both are painfully obvious and neither will happen.

 

[francoHFW]

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in and our internet costs at least twice as much as any other modern country...

You need to really search for facts before you post something. View attachment 167531

Stating that francoHFW needs to research before posting is like stating that Ethiopians need to eat before working. Both are painfully obvious and neither will happen.

My statement is factual... The point is, under the new b******* GOP Pander to the rich policies, our infrastructure and all things is bad and panders to the rich... I have lots of facts And you don't, just b******* propaganda...

 

[P@triot]

The point is, under the new b******* GOP Pander to the rich policies, our infrastructure and all things is bad

Aside from your atrocious grammar here (which really illustrates why you vote Dumbocrat), you literally just defeated your own position on supporting the Dumbocrats.

We just came off of 8 years of your messiah - Barack Insane Obama. He added as much to the national debt in 8 years as all presidents in U.S. history combined did in 235 years before him. If (and I quote - atrocious grammar and all) “our infrastructure and all things is bad”, that is a clear and indisputable indictment on the failure of Obama and the Dumbocrats. What were they spending so recklessly on (sure as hell wasn’t defense as they drastically cut defense) and why didn’t they address infrastructure? Oops...

 

[P@triot]

The point is, under the new b******* GOP Pander to the rich policies

Who should they pander to - the policies of the poor and destitute? I don’t know about you, but I look at wealthy people and try to mimic what they do (get an education, work hard, make good decisions). I would never mimic what the poor and destitute do (drop out of school, do lots of drugs like heroin, make really poor decions).

Only an idiot Dumbocrat could make a comment that stupid. You continue to be a shining example of the modern day Dumbocrat. Admire, support, and promote failure and poverty. Denounce, vilify, and attempt to prevent succes and prosperity.

 

[P@triot]

our best internet is in cities whose government put them in

I’m wondering if you have any point here at all? It sure doesn’t seem like it. As long as the charter of a city or local municipality doesn’t dictate that they can’t engage in something like implementing internet infrastructure - go for it. If the citizens are willing to have their hard earned money taken for that kind of socialism, so be it.

But you whine, piss, and moan 24x7 (like a typical Dumbocrat) about the “evils” of private corporations and the wealth they generate. When I post an article illustrating what they are doing for communities - you still whine, piss, and moan.

Which unequivocally proves what I’ve said all along: it’s not about “progress” or improvement with you Dumbocrats. It’s about control. Microsoft is making improvements and progress for cities - but you’re not celebrating it in the least because you have no control over what Microsoft is doing. You can only gain control through government. Vintage fascist.

 

[grainbely]

Um. Idk if you knew this but big oil, coal, chemical, livestock, etc., would happily poison the shit out of us and claim ignorance. Do you think this would be better without the government? Something has to impose rules.

Um...IDK if you know this...but Adolf Hitler and the Nazis brutally murdered millions because they got to "impose the rules". So did Joseph Stalin. Benito Mussolini. Saddam Hussein. Vladimir Lenin. Let me know when you want me to stop - this could go on for a while.

You ignored my question because you know your position doesn't have a good respones. It's ok. I'll accept the win over you.

I didn’t ignore it - I addressed it head on. And it illustrated your profound ignorance. Hence your ignoring it and declaring a “victory” for yourself that never existed.

You said absolutely zero. ZERO. about whether we would be poisoned more or less without the government. You are a spineless filthy liar. LOL. What a joke. Go cry about Hitler somewhere else.

 

[grainbely]

Um. Idk if you knew this but big oil, coal, chemical, livestock, etc., would happily poison the shit out of us and claim ignorance. Do you think this would be better without the government? Something has to impose rules.

Think of Enron. The business of business is to make as much money as possible, with only law or regulation limiting the schemes they employ.

So? What limits the schemes politicians employ? Answer: only public outrage.

J.D. Rockefeller famously bought up every oil barrel to prevent his competition from getting their product to market

That's not true. Standard oil just sold the refined product cheaper than anyone else.

We the voting citizens actually have a route to control over the politicians and it seems that the investigations from various groups are much more tenacious against them. If a politician is caught in something they face fines, removal, prison sentencing.

Any random corporation is behloden only to their owners, and the written law. So long as they aren't fudging financial documents, the punishments for negligence are extremely weak and its hard to prove wrong doing.

 

[grainbely]

Furthermore, trying to apply philosophical tenants directly as policy is going to fail every time. They are modeling tools, the real world is what they attempt to model. Not the other way around. The real world isn't to be bent to a modeling tool. Applying these tenants directly as policy fundamentally fails, since there will always be deeper currents of influence that are beyond our immediate comprehension. The point of a philosophical tenant is to create a starting point, then iteratively merge it with elements of policy we know work with the real world until there is a workable solution.

Furthermore...a "tenant" is someone who rents property. In your attempt to sound "smart", you have made yourself sound astoundingly stupid.

Now...to address your bizarre claims...your entire desperate nonsense here is trumped (no pun intended - honest) by the realization that we are a nation of laws. And the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Which means your "iteratively merging of elements of policy" (God Almighty do you sound like a dill-hole) are illegal. If it's not constitutional, it's illegal. Even if it "works" in your mind, snowflake.

Tenet. There. Now take the stick out of your ass.

Again. Idk wtf you are talking about with your illegal statement. Go take your meds yah crazy old coot. No where does my comment there suggest illegal activity.

Later today I'll explain in more detail the meaning of my post and hopefully in a way that you won't be able to dishonestly twist it into something it's not. I guess you can always try to do that but you'll just be identifying yourself to everyone as a troll pos.

 

[P@triot]

Um. Idk if you knew this but big oil, coal, chemical, livestock, etc., would happily poison the shit out of us and claim ignorance. Do you think this would be better without the government? Something has to impose rules.

Um...IDK if you know this...but Adolf Hitler and the Nazis brutally murdered millions because they got to "impose the rules". So did Joseph Stalin. Benito Mussolini. Saddam Hussein. Vladimir Lenin. Let me know when you want me to stop - this could go on for a while.

You ignored my question because you know your position doesn't have a good respones. It's ok. I'll accept the win over you.

I didn’t ignore it - I addressed it head on. And it illustrated your profound ignorance. Hence your ignoring it and declaring a “victory” for yourself that never existed.

You said absolutely zero. ZERO. about whether we would be poisoned more or less without the government. You are a spineless filthy liar. LOL. What a joke. Go cry about Hitler somewhere else.

I didn’t need to, snowflake. The deaths caused by government far exceeds anything from “poison”, you drama queen.

 

[P@triot]

Again. Idk wtf you are talking about with your illegal statement.

If it’s not constitutional it is illegal. The fact that you need that explained to you is just sad.