No Federal Charges Against Officers In Tamir Rice Shooting.

[Ray From Cleveland]

You're glad it wasn't your child who had 2 seconds to live with officer loehmann.

and special thank you to the trump racist DOJ for making that decision going out the door.

Trump had nothing to do with it. You can't charge anybody for anything if they broke no law. I know that doesn't work in the Communist philosophy, but fortunately for us, we are still a free country with constitutional rights.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I wish he had sued also. Then Tamir would still be alive.

Let me see if I can follow this before my first beer of the night: If he sued the police department for making that unprofessional comment, Tamir would come back to life?

 

[Godboy]

Do you have ANY evidence at all that supports your preposterous theory?

Tamir Rice
Laquan McDonald
Jean Botham
Walter Scott
Breonna Taylor

Need I go on?

How is this list of criminals evidence that supports your preposterous theory?

 

[Godboy]

Yeah =, you think that that black *** actor got mugged by MAGA hat-wearing white guys in your backyard.

Naw, he was lying.

I wish the cops put as much effort into the 87% of murders in this city that go unsolved... But we proved the Actor was involved in a badly thought out prank!!!! Let's spend millions prosecuting him for a $10,000 crime!!!

Those murders go unsolved because the black community refuses to turn in their criminals.

 

[Godboy]

Do you understand how stupid your statement is here?

Nothing stupid about it. His supervisors got wind he wanted to work somewhere else. If the boss at your job hears you are unhappy with his company, chances are you're going to get the shit jobs to pressure you out, or get laid off.

You seem to be unable to post here without lying.

The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday.

Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job

He seemed to handle his firearm quite well the day he shot Tamir. That throws doubt on the entire premise that he was incompetent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those murders go unsolved because the black community refuses to turn in their criminals.

I call it the code of stupidity.

 

[pknopp]

Do you understand how stupid your statement is here?

Nothing stupid about it. His supervisors got wind he wanted to work somewhere else. If the boss at your job hears you are unhappy with his company, chances are you're going to get the shit jobs to pressure you out, or get laid off.

You seem to be unable to post here without lying.

The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday.

Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job

He seemed to handle his firearm quite well the day he shot Tamir. That throws doubt on the entire premise that he was incompetent.

He was able to shoot a kid. Not exactly impressive.

 

[Godboy]

Do you understand how stupid your statement is here?

Nothing stupid about it. His supervisors got wind he wanted to work somewhere else. If the boss at your job hears you are unhappy with his company, chances are you're going to get the shit jobs to pressure you out, or get laid off.

You seem to be unable to post here without lying.

The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday.

Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job

He seemed to handle his firearm quite well the day he shot Tamir. That throws doubt on the entire premise that he was incompetent.

He was able to shoot a kid. Not exactly impressive.

Are kids easier to shoot than adults? Your logic is weird. If anything they are smaller targets.

 

[pknopp]

Do you understand how stupid your statement is here?

Nothing stupid about it. His supervisors got wind he wanted to work somewhere else. If the boss at your job hears you are unhappy with his company, chances are you're going to get the shit jobs to pressure you out, or get laid off.

You seem to be unable to post here without lying.

The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday.

Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job

He seemed to handle his firearm quite well the day he shot Tamir. That throws doubt on the entire premise that he was incompetent.

He was able to shoot a kid. Not exactly impressive.

Are kids easier to shoot than adults? Your logic is weird. If anything they are smaller targets.

Yes, a kid out playing would be a pretty easy target.

 

[Godboy]

Do you understand how stupid your statement is here?

Nothing stupid about it. His supervisors got wind he wanted to work somewhere else. If the boss at your job hears you are unhappy with his company, chances are you're going to get the shit jobs to pressure you out, or get laid off.

You seem to be unable to post here without lying.

The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday.

Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job

He seemed to handle his firearm quite well the day he shot Tamir. That throws doubt on the entire premise that he was incompetent.

He was able to shoot a kid. Not exactly impressive.

Are kids easier to shoot than adults? Your logic is weird. If anything they are smaller targets.

Yes, a kid out playing would be a pretty easy target.

How does "playing" make it easier to hit someone? Your comments are quite strange.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He was able to shoot a kid. Not exactly impressive.

He didn't do it to be impressive, he did it to defend his life. When a 5'9" 195 pound person starts pulling a gun on you as a police officer be it real or an exact replica of an actual firearm, what other choices are there than to shoot first?

 

[pknopp]

He was able to shoot a kid. Not exactly impressive.

He didn't do it to be impressive, he did it to defend his life. When a 5'9" 195 pound person starts pulling a gun on you as a police officer be it real or an exact replica of an actual firearm, what other choices are there than to shoot first?

Today Officer Loehmann would have been quickly fired and charged. While it's unfortunate that Tamir did not get justice, he did help bring about some real change.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Today Officer Loehmann would have been quickly fired and charged. While it's unfortunate that Tamir did not get justice, he did help bring about some real change.

What changes did he bring? Furthermore, charged with what? Self-defense in our state (nor any others) is not a criminal act.

 

[pknopp]

Today Officer Loehmann would have been quickly fired and charged. While it's unfortunate that Tamir did not get justice, he did help bring about some real change.

What changes did he bring? Furthermore, charged with what? Self-defense in our state (nor any others) is not a criminal act.

6 Cleveland Police officers suspended after 1 already fired following excessive use of force investigation

 

[Rigby5]

CLEVELAND (WJW)– The U.S. Department of Justice closed its independent investigation into the deadly shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice.

The Justice Department said it found insufficient evidence to support federal criminal charges against Cleveland Division of Police Officers Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback. Rice’s family was notified of the decision on Monday.

“Although Tamir Rice’s death is tragic, the evidence does not meet these substantial evidentiary requirements. In light of this, and for the reasons explained below, career federal prosecutors with both the Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office concluded that this matter is not a prosecutable violation of the federal statutes,” the DOJ said in a news release on Tuesday.

The DOJ said video of the incident is time-lapsed, grainy and doesn’t have audio so Rice’s hands are not visible at relevant times. Federal investigators also said Loehmann and Garmback gave several statements and consistently repeated main points.

Rice was shot and killed at Cudell Recreation Center on West Boulevard in Cleveland on Nov. 22, 2014 after a person called 911 reporting seeing a person with a gun. The caller said the individual was, “probably a juvenile” and the gun was, “probably fake.” That information was not passed along to the officers, according to the investigation.

Police said Loehmann opened fire when he said the boy reached towards his waistband. The gun turned out to be an airsoft pistol.

Loehmann was fired from the Cleveland Division of Police in 2017 for lying on his police application, not the deadly shooting. His termination, though appealed, was upheld by the Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court.

Justice Department declines to file charges against officers in deadly shooting of Tamir Rice

The U.S. Department of Justice closed its independent investigation into the deadly shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice.

fox8.com

There is a divide on whether the officer was in his right to shoot the 5'9" 195lbs 12 year old. It's mostly divided on party lines: the cop haters vs the cop supporters. In spite of the grand jury ruling not to indict officer Loehmann, the city still made his mother rich by handing her 5 million taxpayer dollars, which could have been used for much better things for the citizens. Now, this is a second ruling that the officers did nothing illegal, while some will say Loehmann was still wrong. Before the cop haters chime in and say the kid only had a toy, here is a picture of the real gun, and the replica the toy was made from. Can you tell the difference, especially in a split seconds time?


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Wrong.
First of all, the gun was AirSoft. so had an orange tip.
So then that is NOT the plastic gun Tamir had.
Second is that he obviously was small enough to clearly be identified as a child.
Third is that the police drove up on the grass right next to Tamir, and if they had not done that, they would have had no excuse to claim to feel at risk.
You can't claim self defence when you are the cause of your own feelings of fear.
And if a child had picked up a real gun, would that justify shooting him that many times?
Of course not.
It was still deliberate murder.
And the video show no attempt by police to do anything a normal person would have done to clarify the situation before shooting.

 

[Rigby5]

Today Officer Loehmann would have been quickly fired and charged. While it's unfortunate that Tamir did not get justice, he did help bring about some real change.

What changes did he bring? Furthermore, charged with what? Self-defense in our state (nor any others) is not a criminal act.

You can not drive right to someone and then claim self defense, when it was driving right up to them that put you at risk.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can not drive right to someone and then claim self defense, when it was driving right up to them that put you at risk.

That's true for a citizen, but not for a police officer. The job of a police officer is to confront the suspect.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong.
First of all, the gun was AirSoft. so had an orange tip.

It would have if Tamir didn't remove the orange tip to make it look more like a real firearm.

Second is that he obviously was small enough to clearly be identified as a child.

His autopsy report showed he was 5'9, 195 lbs, and after the shooting, the officer called it in to dispatch that the subject was in his late teens to early 20's. You have to remember that the media plays you people like fools. They only released a picture of this kid several years earlier just like they did in the Travon Martin shooting. You bought is hook, line and sinker.

Third is that the police drove up on the grass right next to Tamir, and if they had not done that, they would have had no excuse to claim to feel at risk.

Why would they not claim to feel at risk either 20 feet away or five feet away. Do you understand the speed that a bullet travels? Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

You can't claim self defence when you are the cause of your own feelings of fear.

The officer was not the cause of his fears. His fear was when a person pulls out a firearm in front of him despite his orders to freeze.

And if a child had picked up a real gun, would that justify shooting him that many times?

He was shot once.

It was still deliberate murder.

Murder is legally defined as an intent to kill somebody. The officers did not go there with the intent to do that.

And the video show no attempt by police to do anything a normal person would have done to clarify the situation before shooting.

There was no time to clarify anything. They pulled up to the kid, told him to freeze, and he was pulling out a realistic gun on them. What does one clarify when your life can possibly be at it's end in a matter of less than one second?

 

[Rigby5]

You can not drive right to someone and then claim self defense, when it was driving right up to them that put you at risk.

That's true for a citizen, but not for a police officer. The job of a police officer is to confront the suspect.

Police can't have more rights than average people they are supposed to protect.
What good are police if they just shoot people that others could not?
That makes police more of a danger to us than the criminals, and there is no legal way to give police powers superior to average people.
And the kid did not pull the gun but was already playing with it in his hand.
The police should have seen it from a distance, and if they were fearful, they should have used the car speaker system.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong.
First of all, the gun was AirSoft. so had an orange tip.

It would have if Tamir didn't remove the orange tip to make it look more like a real firearm.

Second is that he obviously was small enough to clearly be identified as a child.

His autopsy report showed he was 5'9, 195 lbs, and after the shooting, the officer called it in to dispatch that the subject was in his late teens to early 20's. You have to remember that the media plays you people like fools. They only released a picture of this kid several years earlier just like they did in the Travon Martin shooting. You bought is hook, line and sinker.

Third is that the police drove up on the grass right next to Tamir, and if they had not done that, they would have had no excuse to claim to feel at risk.

Why would they not claim to feel at risk either 20 feet away or five feet away. Do you understand the speed that a bullet travels? Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

You can't claim self defence when you are the cause of your own feelings of fear.

The officer was not the cause of his fears. His fear was when a person pulls out a firearm in front of him despite his orders to freeze.

And if a child had picked up a real gun, would that justify shooting him that many times?

He was shot once.

It was still deliberate murder.

Murder is legally defined as an intent to kill somebody. The officers did not go there with the intent to do that.

And the video show no attempt by police to do anything a normal person would have done to clarify the situation before shooting.

There was no time to clarify anything. They pulled up to the kid, told him to freeze, and he was pulling out a realistic gun on them. What does one clarify when your life can possibly be at it's end in a matter of less than one second?

You can not remove the orange part as it is the barrel, but I suppose you could paint over it.
But I doubt Tamir did that?

And no, Tamir was hit twice, and witnesses said there were 6 shots.
{... Loehmann, who fired two bullets into Rice ..}

Justice Department Declines To Prosecute Cleveland Officers In Death Of Tamir Rice

The department announced that it found insufficient evidence to "support federal criminal charges" against Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback.

www.npr.org

Worse is that the call to police had warned police it was a juvenile and was not likely a real gun.
{... The officers were responding to a 911 call during which the caller said there was a man — "probably a juvenile" — pointing a gun — "probably fake" — at people on the playground. ...}

Speed of a bullet is irrelevant.
If they had parked 100' way and used a bullhorn, then they would not been in danger.
At that distance a pistol is not accurate enough to be risky.

No normal person would have driven on the grass at all, much less right up to a person they were supposed to be wary of.
What the police did was insane.