nk backs down?

[Avatar4321]

I thought this would be bigger news. Go figure

 

[OldLady]

NK wanted to see if Trump was a puss like Obama and an appeaser like past Democratic Presidents.

Carter's negotiations of appeasement began NK on the road to acquiring nukes. Clinton gave them 2 nuclear reactors hammering the nail in that coffin. Obama did nothing, turned a blind-eye to them while he was negotiating his own Un-Constitutional Treaty with Iran. After Barry backed down from his own Red Line in Syria IMO Kim wanted to see far he could go playing 'chicken' with Trump...until HE blinked / swerved.

TNH is right - Kim was NEVER going to actually fire at Guam. Kim sees having nukes as a bargaining / blackmailing 'chip' to get a seat at the 'adult's table' and to get things in the future for his country. He may be a little crazy, but he isn't suicidal. He is also smart - smart enough to know that if he launched those missiles at Guam Trump was seriously going to pound the sh!te out of him and his country.

Consider this a rolled up newspaper shot to Kim's nose. Boundary tested, boundary discovered. The bad dog backs down.

Last two paragraphs: agree completely.

 

[OldLady]

I thought this would be bigger news. Go figure

Well, it's a little early to relax. It isn't as though there has been any official de-escalation of tensions. However, I think we're headed in the right direction. Of course Kim isn't suicidal. And Trump is no diplomat. So maybe we'll get out of this yet.

 

[AntonToo]

Actually his playing back has brought out our desired result, without breaking the bank.

NK is has slowed it's pursuit of deliverable Nuclear Weapon?

Oh no wait, it accelerated it with a side of Kabuki theater with Trump.

Are you more butthurt over KJU Backing down or Hillary losing?

KJU backed down from getting deliverable Nuclear Weapons?

He hasn't. When he will on Trump's watch I promise to you, I will give him full credit. Because unlike for nutters like you, it isn't personal for me, it is FACTUAL.

 

[AntonToo]

Lol, you can't be serious.

Actually his playing back has brought out our desired result, without breaking the bank.

NK is has slowed it's pursuit of deliverable Nuclear Weapon?

Oh no wait, it accelerated it with a side of Kabuki theater with Trump.

I am serious, NK is closer, not further away, to a deliverable nuclear weapon.

That is the yardstick here, not some rhetorical happenings.

 

[depotoo]

Of course it's not. It would show the Trump administration in a positive light.

I thought this would be bigger news. Go figure

 

[depotoo]

How far did he go under Obama?
Just from April 2009 through June 2009-
April 5, 2009: North Korea launches the three-stage Unha-2 rocket, widely believed to be a modified version of its long range Taepo Dong-2 ballistic missile. Although North Korea claims the rocket placed a satellite into orbit, U.S. Northern Command reports that the first stage landed in the Sea of Japan, and that the remaining stages, along with the payload fell into the Pacific Ocean.

April 13, 2009: The UN Security Council issues a presidential statement condemning North Korea’s April 5 rocket launch, and declaring it “in contravention of Security Council resolution 1718.” The statement also calls for strengthening the punitive measures under that resolution.

April 14, 2009: In response to UN Security Council statement, North Korea’s Foreign Ministry indicates that Pyongyang is withdrawing from the six-party talks and “will no longer be bound” by any of its agreements. North Korea also says that it will reverse steps taken to disable its nuclear facilities under six-party agreements in 2007 and will “fully reprocess” the 8,000 spent fuel rods from its Yongbyon reactor in order to extract plutonium for nuclear weapons.

April 16, 2009: North Korea ejects IAEA and U.S. monitors from the Yongbyon nuclear complex.

April 24, 2009: The UN Security Council places financial restrictions on three North Korean firms believed to be participating in proliferation: Korea Mining Development Trading Corp., Tanchon Commercial Bank, and Korea Ryongbong General Corp.

May 25, 2009: North Korea conducts its second underground nuclear test a few kilometers from its 2006 test site near the village of P’unggye. Following the test North Korea announces that “the results of the test helped satisfactorily settle the scientific and technological problems arising in furthering increasing the power of nuclear weapons and steadily developing nuclear technology.” Early yield estimates range from 2-8 kilotons, although the Russian Defense Ministry initially suggests a yield of 15-20 kilotons.

The UN Security Council convenes an emergency meeting and releases a presidential statement condemning the test as a violation of UN Security Council resolution 1718. The council also announces that it will meet to pass a new resolution dealing with the test.

May 26, 2009: South Korea officially announces that it will participate in the Proliferation Security Initiative.

May 27, 2009: KCNA carries a statement indicating that Pyongyang considers Seoul’s participation in PSI to be an act of war and that North Korea’s Korean People’s Army will no longer be bound by the 1953 Armistice Agreement which brought an end to hostilities during the Korean War.

June 12, 2009: In response to North Korea’s May 25 nuclear test, the UN Security Council unanimously adopts Resolution 1874, which expands sanctions against Pyongyang. The resolution intensified inspection regime to prevent proliferation to and from North Korea, calls for enhanced financial restrictions against North Korea and North Korean firms, a nearly comprehensive arms embargo on the country, and strengthened council oversight over the implementation of the resolution. It also bars North Korea from carrying out any further missile tests.

Then Apri & May, 2016-

April 23, 2016: North Korea tests a KN-11 submarine launch ballistic missile. The missile flew approximately 30 kilometers before exploding, according to South Korean officials.

April 24, 2016: The UN Security Council condemns North Korea's submarine-launched ballistic missile test.

April 28, 2016: North Korea tests two intermediate-range Musudan missiles. The tests are reported as a failure.

May 6-9, 2016: North Korea holds its seventh Congress for its ruling Korean Workers' Party. During the Congress, Kim Jong Un describes North Korea's nuclear policy, saying North Korea "will not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is encroached upon by any aggressive hostile forces with nukes, as it had already declared."

May 30, 2016: North Korea tests another intermediate-range Musudan missile.

May 31, 2016: Satellite imagery analysis from 38 North assess that North Korea is "preparing to commence or has already begun” reprocessing nuclear material to separate additional plutonium for weapons use.

June 21, 2016: North Korea conducts two additional intermediate-range Musudan ballistic missile tests, bringing the total number of Musudan tests to six since April. One of the tests is a partial success, as the missile flew an estimated 400 kilometers. The other explodes in midflight after approximately 150 kilometers.

June 22, 2016: The UN Security Council holds an emergency session to consider North Korea's missile tests.


Chronology of U.S.-North Korean Nuclear and Missile Diplomacy | Arms Control Association

Lol, you can't be serious.

Actually his playing back has brought out our desired result, without breaking the bank.

NK is has slowed it's pursuit of deliverable Nuclear Weapon?

Oh no wait, it accelerated it with a side of Kabuki theater with Trump.

I am serious, NK is closer, not further away, to a deliverable nuclear weapon.

That is the yardstick here, not some rhetorical happenings.

 

[AntonToo]

How far did he go under Obama?
Just from April 2009 through June 2009-
April 5, 2009: North Korea launches the three-stage Unha-2 rocket, widely believed to be a modified version of its long range Taepo Dong-2 ballistic missile. Although North Korea claims the rocket placed a satellite into orbit, U.S. Northern Command reports that the first stage landed in the Sea of Japan, and that the remaining stages, along with the payload fell into the Pacific Ocean.

April 13, 2009: The UN Security Council issues a presidential statement condemning North Korea’s April 5 rocket launch, and declaring it “in contravention of Security Council resolution 1718.” The statement also calls for strengthening the punitive measures under that resolution.

April 14, 2009: In response to UN Security Council statement, North Korea’s Foreign Ministry indicates that Pyongyang is withdrawing from the six-party talks and “will no longer be bound” by any of its agreements. North Korea also says that it will reverse steps taken to disable its nuclear facilities under six-party agreements in 2007 and will “fully reprocess” the 8,000 spent fuel rods from its Yongbyon reactor in order to extract plutonium for nuclear weapons.

April 16, 2009: North Korea ejects IAEA and U.S. monitors from the Yongbyon nuclear complex.

April 24, 2009: The UN Security Council places financial restrictions on three North Korean firms believed to be participating in proliferation: Korea Mining Development Trading Corp., Tanchon Commercial Bank, and Korea Ryongbong General Corp.

May 25, 2009: North Korea conducts its second underground nuclear test a few kilometers from its 2006 test site near the village of P’unggye. Following the test North Korea announces that “the results of the test helped satisfactorily settle the scientific and technological problems arising in furthering increasing the power of nuclear weapons and steadily developing nuclear technology.” Early yield estimates range from 2-8 kilotons, although the Russian Defense Ministry initially suggests a yield of 15-20 kilotons.

The UN Security Council convenes an emergency meeting and releases a presidential statement condemning the test as a violation of UN Security Council resolution 1718. The council also announces that it will meet to pass a new resolution dealing with the test.

May 26, 2009: South Korea officially announces that it will participate in the Proliferation Security Initiative.

May 27, 2009: KCNA carries a statement indicating that Pyongyang considers Seoul’s participation in PSI to be an act of war and that North Korea’s Korean People’s Army will no longer be bound by the 1953 Armistice Agreement which brought an end to hostilities during the Korean War.

June 12, 2009: In response to North Korea’s May 25 nuclear test, the UN Security Council unanimously adopts Resolution 1874, which expands sanctions against Pyongyang. The resolution intensified inspection regime to prevent proliferation to and from North Korea, calls for enhanced financial restrictions against North Korea and North Korean firms, a nearly comprehensive arms embargo on the country, and strengthened council oversight over the implementation of the resolution. It also bars North Korea from carrying out any further missile tests.

Then Apri & May, 2016-

April 23, 2016: North Korea tests a KN-11 submarine launch ballistic missile. The missile flew approximately 30 kilometers before exploding, according to South Korean officials.

April 24, 2016: The UN Security Council condemns North Korea's submarine-launched ballistic missile test.

April 28, 2016: North Korea tests two intermediate-range Musudan missiles. The tests are reported as a failure.

May 6-9, 2016: North Korea holds its seventh Congress for its ruling Korean Workers' Party. During the Congress, Kim Jong Un describes North Korea's nuclear policy, saying North Korea "will not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is encroached upon by any aggressive hostile forces with nukes, as it had already declared."

May 30, 2016: North Korea tests another intermediate-range Musudan missile.

May 31, 2016: Satellite imagery analysis from 38 North assess that North Korea is "preparing to commence or has already begun” reprocessing nuclear material to separate additional plutonium for weapons use.

June 21, 2016: North Korea conducts two additional intermediate-range Musudan ballistic missile tests, bringing the total number of Musudan tests to six since April. One of the tests is a partial success, as the missile flew an estimated 400 kilometers. The other explodes in midflight after approximately 150 kilometers.

June 22, 2016: The UN Security Council holds an emergency session to consider North Korea's missile tests.


Chronology of U.S.-North Korean Nuclear and Missile Diplomacy | Arms Control Association

Lol, you can't be serious.

Actually his playing back has brought out our desired result, without breaking the bank.

NK is has slowed it's pursuit of deliverable Nuclear Weapon?

Oh no wait, it accelerated it with a side of Kabuki theater with Trump.

I am serious, NK is closer, not further away, to a deliverable nuclear weapon.

That is the yardstick here, not some rhetorical happenings.

...Why did you cut out all the missile testing done in 2017 listed in your link?

Oh that's right, because an honest argument is not a bar you can clear.

Trump has done jack shit to slow NK's nuclear program and BUT OBAMA! pleading won't help America.

 

[depotoo]

Honey, it was started under Obama and he had 8 years! Surely you aren't that dense?

How far did he go under Obama?
Just from April 2009 through June 2009-
April 5, 2009: North Korea launches the three-stage Unha-2 rocket, widely believed to be a modified version of its long range Taepo Dong-2 ballistic missile. Although North Korea claims the rocket placed a satellite into orbit, U.S. Northern Command reports that the first stage landed in the Sea of Japan, and that the remaining stages, along with the payload fell into the Pacific Ocean.

April 13, 2009: The UN Security Council issues a presidential statement condemning North Korea’s April 5 rocket launch, and declaring it “in contravention of Security Council resolution 1718.” The statement also calls for strengthening the punitive measures under that resolution.

April 14, 2009: In response to UN Security Council statement, North Korea’s Foreign Ministry indicates that Pyongyang is withdrawing from the six-party talks and “will no longer be bound” by any of its agreements. North Korea also says that it will reverse steps taken to disable its nuclear facilities under six-party agreements in 2007 and will “fully reprocess” the 8,000 spent fuel rods from its Yongbyon reactor in order to extract plutonium for nuclear weapons.

April 16, 2009: North Korea ejects IAEA and U.S. monitors from the Yongbyon nuclear complex.

April 24, 2009: The UN Security Council places financial restrictions on three North Korean firms believed to be participating in proliferation: Korea Mining Development Trading Corp., Tanchon Commercial Bank, and Korea Ryongbong General Corp.

May 25, 2009: North Korea conducts its second underground nuclear test a few kilometers from its 2006 test site near the village of P’unggye. Following the test North Korea announces that “the results of the test helped satisfactorily settle the scientific and technological problems arising in furthering increasing the power of nuclear weapons and steadily developing nuclear technology.” Early yield estimates range from 2-8 kilotons, although the Russian Defense Ministry initially suggests a yield of 15-20 kilotons.

The UN Security Council convenes an emergency meeting and releases a presidential statement condemning the test as a violation of UN Security Council resolution 1718. The council also announces that it will meet to pass a new resolution dealing with the test.

May 26, 2009: South Korea officially announces that it will participate in the Proliferation Security Initiative.

May 27, 2009: KCNA carries a statement indicating that Pyongyang considers Seoul’s participation in PSI to be an act of war and that North Korea’s Korean People’s Army will no longer be bound by the 1953 Armistice Agreement which brought an end to hostilities during the Korean War.

June 12, 2009: In response to North Korea’s May 25 nuclear test, the UN Security Council unanimously adopts Resolution 1874, which expands sanctions against Pyongyang. The resolution intensified inspection regime to prevent proliferation to and from North Korea, calls for enhanced financial restrictions against North Korea and North Korean firms, a nearly comprehensive arms embargo on the country, and strengthened council oversight over the implementation of the resolution. It also bars North Korea from carrying out any further missile tests.

Then Apri & May, 2016-

April 23, 2016: North Korea tests a KN-11 submarine launch ballistic missile. The missile flew approximately 30 kilometers before exploding, according to South Korean officials.

April 24, 2016: The UN Security Council condemns North Korea's submarine-launched ballistic missile test.

April 28, 2016: North Korea tests two intermediate-range Musudan missiles. The tests are reported as a failure.

May 6-9, 2016: North Korea holds its seventh Congress for its ruling Korean Workers' Party. During the Congress, Kim Jong Un describes North Korea's nuclear policy, saying North Korea "will not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is encroached upon by any aggressive hostile forces with nukes, as it had already declared."

May 30, 2016: North Korea tests another intermediate-range Musudan missile.

May 31, 2016: Satellite imagery analysis from 38 North assess that North Korea is "preparing to commence or has already begun” reprocessing nuclear material to separate additional plutonium for weapons use.

June 21, 2016: North Korea conducts two additional intermediate-range Musudan ballistic missile tests, bringing the total number of Musudan tests to six since April. One of the tests is a partial success, as the missile flew an estimated 400 kilometers. The other explodes in midflight after approximately 150 kilometers.

June 22, 2016: The UN Security Council holds an emergency session to consider North Korea's missile tests.


Chronology of U.S.-North Korean Nuclear and Missile Diplomacy | Arms Control Association

Lol, you can't be serious.

Actually his playing back has brought out our desired result, without breaking the bank.

NK is has slowed it's pursuit of deliverable Nuclear Weapon?

Oh no wait, it accelerated it with a side of Kabuki theater with Trump.

I am serious, NK is closer, not further away, to a deliverable nuclear weapon.

That is the yardstick here, not some rhetorical happenings.

...Why did you cut out all the missile testing done in 2017 listed in your link?

Oh that's right, because an honest argument is not a bar you can clear.

Trump has done jack shit to slow NK's nuclear program and BUT OBAMA! pleading won't help America.

 

[Darkwind]

Actually his playing back has brought out our desired result.

That tub'a lard wasnt going to do shit. He is like a little kid
Whats really sad is, trump played his little game with him and sounded just as stupid.

well, my point was, he wasnt going to do anything to begin with. I mean, i guess its possible your scenario is correct, i just dont buy his threats.

I never make the mistake of thinking I know what a crazy man is going to do.

 

[AntonToo]

Honey, it was started under Obama and he had 8 years! Surely you aren't that dense?

Dumbass nothing about Obama helps Trump get a gold star for doing exactly nothing to solve the problem.

Problem was not who's dick is bigger, problem is NK getting deliverable nuclear weapons - that's the problem, that's the measure of success.

Trump has been unsuccessful thus far. His predecessors ALSO being unsuccessful does not change that FACT.

 

[depotoo]

Exactly nothing. Lol. That's why he backed down, he did nothing. He has been working on this for awhile now. And whether you want to admit it or not, NK has always challenged a new US president. Just as he did Clinton, Bush and Obama. And Trump has shut him down, after multiple missile launches under Obama.

Honey, it was started under Obama and he had 8 years! Surely you aren't that dense?

Dumbass nothing about Obama helps Trump get a gold star for doing exactly nothing to solve the problem.

Problem was not who's dick is bigger, problem is NK getting deliverable nuclear weapons - that's the problem, that's the measure of success.

Trump has been unsuccessful thus far. His predecessors ALSO being unsuccessful does not change that FACT.

 

[AntonToo]

Exactly nothing. Lol. That's why he backed down, he did nothing. He has been working on this for awhile now. And whether you want to admit it or not, NK has always challenged a new US president. Just as he did Clinton, Bush and Obama. And Trump has shut him down, after multiple missile launches under Obama.

I will repeat the question - did NK back down from achieving deliverable nuclear weapons?

The answer is no and everything else is meaningless side bullshit

 

[depotoo]

No, they didn't, under Obama. And I now realize you must have been looking for him to go to war with them. Either that or you are just being obnoxious because you don't like Trump.

Exactly nothing. Lol. That's why he backed down, he did nothing. He has been working on this for awhile now. And whether you want to admit it or not, NK has always challenged a new US president. Just as he did Clinton, Bush and Obama. And Trump has shut him down, after multiple missile launches under Obama.

I will repeat the question - did NK back down from achieving deliverable nuclear weapons?

The answer is no and everything else is meaningless side bullshit

 

[AntonToo]

No, they didn't, under Obama. And I now realize you must have been looking for him to go to war with them. Either that or you are just being obnoxious because you don't like Trump.

Exactly nothing. Lol. That's why he backed down, he did nothing. He has been working on this for awhile now. And whether you want to admit it or not, NK has always challenged a new US president. Just as he did Clinton, Bush and Obama. And Trump has shut him down, after multiple missile launches under Obama.

I will repeat the question - did NK back down from achieving deliverable nuclear weapons?

The answer is no and everything else is meaningless side bullshit

I will repeat the question - did NK back down (UNDER TRUMP, DUH) from achieving deliverable nuclear weapons?

The answer is no and everything else is meaningless side bullshit

Nothing to do with liking or not liking Trump - just a matter of facts.