NFL kneelers

[Redfish]

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

You don't know that Johnson was the President who got us into Vietnam? Seriously? Kennedy made the treaties and sent the first troops, Johnson escalated it. I can't believe you don't know that. Incredible. Johnson also was the one who engaged in limited warfare where we didn't try to win.

Wow, you are one dumb, ignorant hillbilly ...

Eisenhower. Too uninvolved to control Dulles.

Look it up.

No shit. But you said that Eisenhower was as much to blame as Kennedy and Johnson, which is just retarded. It really was Johnson's war the way it was fought. Eisenhower was only involved in sending in training troops.

I don't have any issue with what either Eisenhower or Kennedy or what they did. Nixon was handed a tough situation given that when he got the war was when the press and the country turned against it. He then went on to botch it further. He should have either won the war or left immediately.

But it was clearly Johnson's war. Johnson sent in the first US troops to actually fight (Eisenhower, Kennedy only sent in troops to train), Johnson escalated it to be a major war. Johnson set the rules of engagement that the troops were prohibited from winning the war. It was Johnson's war

I didn't post the word "blame" at all, troll-boi-girl-thing. You just pulled that out of your ass.

What I did do was correct a partisan hack poster who cherrypicked two POTUSes from his Emmanuel Goldstein political party and whitewashed two others from his own, and let him know that he wasn't going to get away with that historical revision any more than he was going to get away with the Lost Cause revision or --- to actually return to the actual TOPIC --- than he was going to get away with the racial fingerpointing about NFL players resisting forced marches.

And you just helped me do it although it was already done before you popped up attention whoring going ME ME ME.

Now then, will there be anything else today or would you like to go wash your ass?

You said that the war was as much Nixon/Eisenhower as Kennedy/Johnson. The war was all Johnson, so no, it wasn't. The war wasn't as much Eisenhower/Kennedy/Nixon as it was Johnson. Johnson created the monster.

I see you're still struggling with your sexual identity

yes, Lyndon Johnson, the democrat who said "I'll have them ni66ers voting democrat for the next 200 years"

 

[Correll]

Kneeling is so dumb.

Rather than kneeling and pissing off all of your customers, hold signs up for the issue you are supporting.

and do it on your own time, not while you are being paid to play a game.

And let that game BE a game without the intrusions of fake-patriotism puppet shows.

why is it fake? No one in the stands is required to stand--------but they do. What exactly do you find offensive about patriotism? Why is it wrong to show respect for your country and pledge your loyalty to it?

Why do you find it necessary to edit what I just posted and thereby LIE?

then what exactly did you mean by "fake patriotism puppet shows" ?

Libs purposefully say vague shit, so when they are called on it, they can shift the argument to a pointless discussion of semantics,

thus distracting from how bad their policies and positions are.

 

[Pogo]

1. Could not disagree more.

3. I agree they had the right to leave and I agree the Union had the right to stop them. Not unlike the British empire trying to stop the 13 colonies from leaving.

1. What legal problem to you see in the Iraqi War?

3. Your Justification for the actions of the Union seem thin.

1. There is no legal problem because legal does not exit if you do not agree with the UN.

On the moral side, we invaded a sovereign nation that was zero threat to this nation at the cost of more than 4000 American lives, 30,000 plus wounded ,more than 200,000 brain injuries and more than 2.4 million dollars and counting. That does not even touch the more than 30,000 Iraqi civilians and the troops from the other nations we bullied into joining us.

And the end result was a region worse off than before we invaded and the rise to power of ISIS, which is directly linked to our invasion of Iraq

There is nothing to justify, they won. Every nation on the planet took their land form someone else, that is the way it works

We also lost Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war.

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

 

[Pogo]

Kneeling is so dumb.

Rather than kneeling and pissing off all of your customers, hold signs up for the issue you are supporting.

and do it on your own time, not while you are being paid to play a game.

And let that game BE a game without the intrusions of fake-patriotism puppet shows.

why is it fake? No one in the stands is required to stand--------but they do. What exactly do you find offensive about patriotism? Why is it wrong to show respect for your country and pledge your loyalty to it?

Why do you find it necessary to edit what I just posted and thereby LIE?

then what exactly did you mean by "fake patriotism puppet shows" ?

Exactly what it says. The noun there is shows; the rest are adjectives.

What kind of shows? Puppet.
What kind of puppet? Patriotism.
What kind of patriotism? FAKE.

For the 426th time, patriotism cannot be scripted and scheduled for 12:52. It isn't choreographed. It isn't written down in advance or "dressed for" or "expected".

ALL of that is FAKE --- it's patriotism THEATER. It's an exhibition of "here's what we hope it would look like if everybody suddenly went all patriotic". It's BULLSHIT.

Real patriotism is spontaneous, it's reactive, it's wild because it's emotion and thereby by definition unpredictable. It absolutely is NOT a gaggle of robots all obediently striking the same pose with blank zombie stares, on cue. That's what "patriotism" is in North Korea. THEATER.

And that's what NFL injected into football games, whenever they did that, which has ZERO to do with the game, solely because they have a large captive audience that came there for an entirely different purpose and they get PAID to put those puppet shows on. Nobody ever went to a football game thinking "hey, I know --- let's go to the stadium so we can stand and play "robot". They came for a football game.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Still against the 1st amendment I see, like 45.

 

[Correll]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Still against the 1st amendment I see, like 45.

Criticizing someone for being full of crap is not being against the first amendment.


D'uh.

 

[Pogo]

Haha. Links?

Is that Civil War submarine still there btw?

don't think so. where was it?

Used to be right in front of the Cabildo.

gone

Was there a massive butthurt protest when it was taken out?

Then again I don't think it was put there by the UDC. But actually I'm not sure.

In a related story the same UDC put up (in 1917) a plaque on the building at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee commemorating the founding in that building of the (original) Ku Klux Klan heralding the names of its founders. When that building was sold in the 1990s the new owner had the plaque taken off, turned backward and put back up so that it shows a blank surface.

Was that "erasing history"? Same thing -- property owner didn't want that shit on his property. He described it as the town of Pulaski "turning its back on" that history, and if anyone's curious why there's a blank plaque, there's a story to explain it.

And you know what --- nobody complained about that plaque reversal except some Klanners who went there annually as a worship ritual. And you know what --- fuck them.

In a related related story, the site where the second, revival, much-bigger Klan was founded, Stone Mountain in Georgia, was supposed to be decorated by an infamous sculptor who was a staunch white supremacist and klansman (and asshole). His project never completed, but he did get another project completed that is somewhat famous. It's called "Mount Rushmore".

Fun facts.

one fact that you failed to mention, the vast majority of KKK members were democrats.

Link?

Nope, you won't find one because no political party affiliation was ever required or suggested to join the Klan. Simmons who resurrected the Klan from a film and spread it nationwide and who himself had no known political party affiliation, declared its members must:be "native born", Christian, protects "pure American womanhood", prevents "unwarranted strikes by foreign labor agitators", (believes in) the Sovereignty of States' Rights and promotes "pure Americanism". That's it. Nothing about being or not being a member of a political party.

Those Klansworms who lived in the South, if they had a political party at all, were presumably usually Democrats since most people there were; on the other hand Maine had the opposite going on, Maine being as much a one-party Republican state as the "Old South" was Democratic, thus in each locale to the extent politicking went on both the pro-Klan and anti-Klan elements were in the same political party.

If you really need to count beans to make your Association Fallacies work, the governor of Oklahoma (Walton) who tried to drive the Klan out after Tulsa; the governor of Georgia (Arnall) who revoked the Klan's charter; the governor of Louisiana (Long) who warned the Klan Grand Wizard that if he came to LA to campaign against him the Grand Wiz would be leaving "with his toes turned up"; the Senator from Alabama (Underwood) who vociferously led the charge against the Klan and teamed with the governor of New York (Smith) to do it; the Florida writer and gubernatorial candidate (Kennedy) who infiltrated the Klan and wrote an exposé of it and later wrote scripts for the Superman radio show that significantly deadened its membership; the New York state senator and future NYC mayor (Walker) who passed a state law to stem the Klan tide and the Alabama governor (Folsom) who passed an anti-masking law; the first POTUS (Johnson) to prosecute the Klan since Grant; the POTUS (FDR) whose IRS slapped the Klan with a $2/3 million tax bill to break its back, the only POTUS candidate (Davis) to denounce the Klan in the 1924 election and the POTUS candidate (Smith again) who had to fend off a national Klan smear campaign --- were all Democrats.

Meanwhile the Klan endorsed, supported and did whatever it could to elect Coolidge, Hoover, Jackson (gov-IN), Morley (gov-CO), Brewster (gov/Sen/Rep, ME), Paulen (gov-KS), Means (Sen-CO) Albert Johnson (Rep-WA) and a host of local offices in Maine, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, virtually the entire state of Indiana and the entire city council of Anaheim and similar offices in Oregon and Washington --- all Republicans.

>> The Klan of the 1920s 'enrolled more members in Connecticut than in Mississippi, more in Oregon than in Louisiana, and more in New Jersey than in Alabama,' wrote historian Stanley Coben. Over half a million Klansmen lived in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. Klan-backed candidates, all running on platforms both dry and xenophobic, were elected governor in Oregon, Colorado, and Kansas. In Detroit a Klan candidate whose name wasn't even on the ballot was nearly elected mayor in an avalanche of write-in votes. --- Political Alliances, the KKK and the Anti-Saloon League​

And through all this the Klan was opposing blacks, Jews, Catholics, immigrants and labor unions, all of whom were and still are Democratic Party constituents.

All of that doesn't tell us what political party the "vast majority of KKK" associated with either, but it sure doesn't help your unsupported theory, does it.

But we digress.

The point here was --- yet another UDC monument above was "removed" --- in this case turned backward --- and nobody frothed at the mouth about it, nobody complained, nobody started bellowing about "erasing history". Because that's clearly not what monument removal does.

Is it.

 

[kaz]

1. What legal problem to you see in the Iraqi War?

3. Your Justification for the actions of the Union seem thin.

1. There is no legal problem because legal does not exit if you do not agree with the UN.

On the moral side, we invaded a sovereign nation that was zero threat to this nation at the cost of more than 4000 American lives, 30,000 plus wounded ,more than 200,000 brain injuries and more than 2.4 million dollars and counting. That does not even touch the more than 30,000 Iraqi civilians and the troops from the other nations we bullied into joining us.

And the end result was a region worse off than before we invaded and the rise to power of ISIS, which is directly linked to our invasion of Iraq

There is nothing to justify, they won. Every nation on the planet took their land form someone else, that is the way it works

We also lost Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war.

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

Ike and JFK both sent in no combat troops.

It was LBJ

 

[Redfish]

1. What legal problem to you see in the Iraqi War?

3. Your Justification for the actions of the Union seem thin.

1. There is no legal problem because legal does not exit if you do not agree with the UN.

On the moral side, we invaded a sovereign nation that was zero threat to this nation at the cost of more than 4000 American lives, 30,000 plus wounded ,more than 200,000 brain injuries and more than 2.4 million dollars and counting. That does not even touch the more than 30,000 Iraqi civilians and the troops from the other nations we bullied into joining us.

And the end result was a region worse off than before we invaded and the rise to power of ISIS, which is directly linked to our invasion of Iraq

There is nothing to justify, they won. Every nation on the planet took their land form someone else, that is the way it works

We also lost Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war.

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

 

[Redfish]

don't think so. where was it?

Used to be right in front of the Cabildo.

gone

Was there a massive butthurt protest when it was taken out?

Then again I don't think it was put there by the UDC. But actually I'm not sure.

In a related story the same UDC put up (in 1917) a plaque on the building at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee commemorating the founding in that building of the (original) Ku Klux Klan heralding the names of its founders. When that building was sold in the 1990s the new owner had the plaque taken off, turned backward and put back up so that it shows a blank surface.

Was that "erasing history"? Same thing -- property owner didn't want that shit on his property. He described it as the town of Pulaski "turning its back on" that history, and if anyone's curious why there's a blank plaque, there's a story to explain it.

And you know what --- nobody complained about that plaque reversal except some Klanners who went there annually as a worship ritual. And you know what --- fuck them.

In a related related story, the site where the second, revival, much-bigger Klan was founded, Stone Mountain in Georgia, was supposed to be decorated by an infamous sculptor who was a staunch white supremacist and klansman (and asshole). His project never completed, but he did get another project completed that is somewhat famous. It's called "Mount Rushmore".

Fun facts.

one fact that you failed to mention, the vast majority of KKK members were democrats.

Link?

Nope, you won't find one because no political party affiliation was ever required or suggested to join the Klan. Simmons who resurrected the Klan from a film and spread it nationwide and who himself had no known political party affiliation, declared its members must:be "native born", Christian, protects "pure American womanhood", prevents "unwarranted strikes by foreign labor agitators", (believes in) the Sovereignty of States' Rights and promotes "pure Americanism". That's it. Nothing about being or not being a member of a political party.

Those Klansworms who lived in the South, if they had a political party at all, were presumably usually Democrats since most people there were; on the other hand Maine had the opposite going on, Maine being as much a one-party Republican state as the "Old South" was Democratic, thus in each locale to the extent politicking went on both the pro-Klan and anti-Klan elements were in the same political party.

If you really need to count beans to make your Association Fallacies work, the governor of Oklahoma (Walton) who tried to drive the Klan out after Tulsa; the governor of Georgia (Arnall) who revoked the Klan's charter; the governor of Louisiana (Long) who warned the Klan Grand Wizard that if he came to LA to campaign against him the Grand Wiz would be leaving "with his toes turned up"; the Senator from Alabama (Underwood) who vociferously led the charge against the Klan and teamed with the governor of New York (Smith) to do it; the Florida writer and gubernatorial candidate (Kennedy) who infiltrated the Klan and wrote an exposé of it and later wrote scripts for the Superman radio show that significantly deadened its membership; the New York state senator and future NYC mayor (Walker) who passed a state law to stem the Klan tide and the Alabama governor (Folsom) who passed an anti-masking law; the first POTUS (Johnson) to prosecute the Klan since Grant; the POTUS (FDR) whose IRS slapped the Klan with a $2/3 million tax bill to break its back, the only POTUS candidate (Davis) to denounce the Klan in the 1924 election and the POTUS candidate (Smith again) who had to fend off a national Klan smear campaign --- were all Democrats.

Meanwhile the Klan endorsed, supported and did whatever it could to elect Coolidge, Hoover, Jackson (gov-IN), Morley (gov-CO), Brewster (gov/Sen/Rep, ME), Paulen (gov-KS), Means (Sen-CO) Albert Johnson (Rep-WA) and a host of local offices in Maine, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, virtually the entire state of Indiana and the entire city council of Anaheim and similar offices in Oregon and Washington --- all Republicans.

>> The Klan of the 1920s 'enrolled more members in Connecticut than in Mississippi, more in Oregon than in Louisiana, and more in New Jersey than in Alabama,' wrote historian Stanley Coben. Over half a million Klansmen lived in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. Klan-backed candidates, all running on platforms both dry and xenophobic, were elected governor in Oregon, Colorado, and Kansas. In Detroit a Klan candidate whose name wasn't even on the ballot was nearly elected mayor in an avalanche of write-in votes. --- Political Alliances, the KKK and the Anti-Saloon League​

And through all this the Klan was opposing blacks, Jews, Catholics, immigrants and labor unions, all of whom were and still are Democratic Party constituents.

All of that doesn't tell us what political party the "vast majority of KKK" associated with either, but it sure doesn't help your unsupported theory, does it.

But we digress.

The point here was --- yet another UDC monument above was "removed" --- in this case turned backward --- and nobody frothed at the mouth about it, nobody complained, nobody started bellowing about "erasing history". Because that's clearly not what monument removal does.

Is it.

party affiliation was not required, but we all know that the south was predominately democrat in those years. I know that destroys your fantasy, but its the truth.

 

[Redfish]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Still against the 1st amendment I see, like 45.

the first amendment does not apply while you are on the job for your employer. Your employer sets the standards of behavior and conduct.

protest on your own time and no one will complain, but when you do it when I have bought a ticket and the owner is paying you millions to play a game, its my time and the owners time.

 

[Pogo]

1. There is no legal problem because legal does not exit if you do not agree with the UN.

On the moral side, we invaded a sovereign nation that was zero threat to this nation at the cost of more than 4000 American lives, 30,000 plus wounded ,more than 200,000 brain injuries and more than 2.4 million dollars and counting. That does not even touch the more than 30,000 Iraqi civilians and the troops from the other nations we bullied into joining us.

And the end result was a region worse off than before we invaded and the rise to power of ISIS, which is directly linked to our invasion of Iraq

There is nothing to justify, they won. Every nation on the planet took their land form someone else, that is the way it works

We also lost Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war.

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower (who started it) and Nixon (who intensified it and spread it outside the country's borders). Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

 

[Redfish]

We also lost Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war.

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower and Nixon. Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

the standard NFL contract requires players to stand on the sidelines with their hands over their hearts for the national anthem. I guess you didn't know that.

 

[Pogo]

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower and Nixon. Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

the standard NFL contract requires players to stand on the sidelines with their hands over their hearts for the national anthem. I guess you didn't know that.

Nope. Linkie?

 

[Redfish]

We also lost Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war.

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower (who started it) and Nixon (who intensified it and spread it outside the country's borders). Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

since when are majorities not relevant in a democracy?

 

[Pogo]

In a parallel universe we also lost Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war.

Musta been four wars.

(/WAYTHEFUCK off topic)

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower (who started it) and Nixon (who intensified it and spread it outside the country's borders). Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

since when are majorities not relevant in a democracy?

The Vietnam War cannot on any planet be defined as a "democracy".

 

[Pogo]

protest on your own time and no one will complain, but when you do it when I have bought a ticket and the owner is paying you millions to play a game, its my time and the owners time.

That it is. So get the fucking government out of the game and let them play the game they all came there to play and watch. Don't stand there and try to characterize the backlash to that intrusion as the intrusion itself -- start at the beginning, not halfway through.

A jingo puppet show has WHAT to do with a football game? Does it make the kick go farther? Help the defensive end make the interception? What if they had a football game and no national anthem came? Does it not count? If the Pittsburgh Steelers play the Kansas City Chiefs, is there actually somebody in the stands, or on the field, who doesn't know what country they're in?

Perhaps Pittsburgh moved to Indonesia the night before? Who knows, it could happen.

 

[Redfish]

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower and Nixon. Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

the standard NFL contract requires players to stand on the sidelines with their hands over their hearts for the national anthem. I guess you didn't know that.

Nope. Linkie?

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

 

[Redfish]

Kennedy started it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon ended it by declaring defeat. They are all to blame. and 58,000 americans died for NOTHING

You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower (who started it) and Nixon (who intensified it and spread it outside the country's borders). Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

since when are majorities not relevant in a democracy?

The Vietnam War cannot on any planet be defined as a "democracy".

we were talking about klan membership

 

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You got the ending right but Eisenhower 'started' it, or we should say allowed it to happen --- Dulles started it under his watch. He wanted to swoop in and capitalize on what he thought was a vacuum when the French left. And he thought that because he was a fucking moron. But Eisenhower let it happen and that set the wheels in motion.

(/again completely offtopic)

they all believed in the domino theory in those days. But the facts are that LBJ is responsible for the majority of the American deaths in that fiasco.

and, yes off topic, so, screw the kneelers, fire them, fine them. comply with their contracts or GFT out.

"Majorities" are irrelevant, and I don't know the numbers but your original citation specifically excluded Eisenhower and Nixon. Whelp, you got yerself told on that, squirm all you want.

And back to topic --- nobody's not 'complying with their contracts' anyway.

the standard NFL contract requires players to stand on the sidelines with their hands over their hearts for the national anthem. I guess you didn't know that.

Nope. Linkie?

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

Thank you --- now read your own link; you lose.