New York "SAFE" act turning into a gun ban program...

[ThunderKiss1965]

That is easy and we do it every time you bring up "reasonable gun laws." It is against the law to use a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder. Those are effective, they work, and they specifically target illegal behavior, and more to the point, they do not impact law abiding people in any way.

Effective? Criminals use guns to commit rape and murder. According to your rhetoric, those laws are useless because criminals don't care about the law.

Nope....not the argument....laws against rape, robbery and murder do not prevent criminals from committing those acts, they give us the ability to arrest and jail them. Your gun control laws do stop law abiding people from accessing their Right to Keep and Bear arms, but do not stop criminals from getting guns. We already have laws that allow us to lock up people who use guns to commit crimes...you want laws that prevent law abiding people from owning and carrying guns...laws that will not effect criminals in any way.

How does a background check keep anyone from accessing their right to keep and bear arms? ...WAIT!!!!.....Don't tell me. Go tell the supreme court.

First, it is a violation of your Right against self incrimination. Then, if violates the 2nd Amendment as a violation of your Right to keep and bear arms, much like a Poll Tax or Literacy Test does...and that is all before you get to using it as a precursor to universal gun background checks, and then gun registration.

Do licensed dealers doing background checks on all gun sales violate those same laws?

I don't have an issue with background checks but you Liberals want to include shit that will not decrease gun crimes, because you know criminals.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

And as predicted....the gun crime is filtering down to the teenagers in Britain....they will eventually begin to shoot to kill....


Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Yes. And at the current rate our gun crime will be the same as yours in about 80 years.

With your cuts to your police force, the violence of your young males....it will be much sooner.....

Our slaughter rate will only match yours when you become civilised.

Civilized right, this from a guy who lives in a country that still has a Monarchy. can you people even own land or do you have to rent it from the queen.

We can go to the shops and buy a pint of milk without having a gun on us. That is civilised.

So what you're saying is the criminals in your country follow the law and don't have guns ? Where I come from we call that an oxymoron.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You can read what I have said you dumb ****.

 

[BULLDOG]

Effective? Criminals use guns to commit rape and murder. According to your rhetoric, those laws are useless because criminals don't care about the law.

Nope....not the argument....laws against rape, robbery and murder do not prevent criminals from committing those acts, they give us the ability to arrest and jail them. Your gun control laws do stop law abiding people from accessing their Right to Keep and Bear arms, but do not stop criminals from getting guns. We already have laws that allow us to lock up people who use guns to commit crimes...you want laws that prevent law abiding people from owning and carrying guns...laws that will not effect criminals in any way.

How does a background check keep anyone from accessing their right to keep and bear arms? ...WAIT!!!!.....Don't tell me. Go tell the supreme court.

First, it is a violation of your Right against self incrimination. Then, if violates the 2nd Amendment as a violation of your Right to keep and bear arms, much like a Poll Tax or Literacy Test does...and that is all before you get to using it as a precursor to universal gun background checks, and then gun registration.

Do licensed dealers doing background checks on all gun sales violate those same laws?

I don't have an issue with background checks but you Liberals want to include shit that will not decrease gun crimes, because you know criminals.

You got a copy of the proposed law that would include the shit you are talking about? Is there anything real in what you claim, or is it just your imagination backed by NRA lies?

 

[JakeStarkey]

T

You post this shit every time you get called out.There were 40 gun murders in the US on boxing day alone. Zero in the UK.
Are your precious guns so important to you that you ignore the damage that they do to your society ?

How many rapes, robberies, and murders happened in the UK that day?

I think you're intelligent enough to be willingly tapdancing around the truth.

Which makes you an even bigger douchebag.

There was a possible murder in London on Xmas eve. Cant find any others but I will keep looking.

North London murder victim named as Iuliana Tudos

Of course with it being the season of goodwill there will have been countless domestics up and down the country. However due to our sensible gun laws they did not result in tragic deaths.

However in the US an overcooked turkey results in a body count.

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People have probably been shot in the US whilst I typed this.

And as predicted....the gun crime is filtering down to the teenagers in Britain....they will eventually begin to shoot to kill....


Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

The only evidence of that is 2aguy's opinions. He has no facts at all to disperse that when it comes, UK is much safer then the US.

 

[danielpalos]

Yep......nothing the anti gunners do is ever intended to actually keep people safe, or to allow gun owners to keep their guns.....

NRA-ILA: The Truth About New York State's Firearm Recertification Law - The Truth About Guns

The recertification form requires that the licensee disclose his or her “name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security number, [and] firearms possessed by such license holder,” along with the listed identifying details (make, model, caliber, and serial number). (“Firearm” under the applicable New York law means a handgun or other gun of a size which may be concealed upon the person.)

A failure to recertify operates as an automatic revocation of the license. Possession of a “firearm” without a valid license is a criminal offense, and the revocation makes the person ineligible to apply for or renew a license. Once a license is revoked, state law mandates that every gun owned or possessed by the licensee be “surrendered” to a law enforcement agency.

A New York State Police field guide on the SAFE Act, prepared by attorneys for the Division of State Police, unequivocally instructs officers that when “a licensee becomes ineligible to hold a pistol permit, the Safe Act requires the person to surrender all firearms to police, including all rifles and shotgunsfor which no license or registration is required.” (Emphasis in the original.)

Should the person fail to comply by turning in every gun, the SAFE Act (codified as NY Penal Law § 400.00(11)(c)) not only authorizes but requires that police officers confiscate such property: the guns “shall be removed and declared a nuisance and any police officer or peace officer acting pursuant to his or her special duties is authorized to remove any and all such weapons.”

Once the gun is deemed a “nuisance,” the owner loses the ability to reclaim or legally transfer it. State law directs that nuisance guns be destroyed without the need for a court order or other judicial proceedings, and courts have confirmed that a person has no “legitimate possessory interest” in firearms for which he or she has no license.

The policy of recertification is clear: licensees who fail to comply – by inadvertently missing the deadline, for example – face having all guns, and not just the firearms covered by the license, permanently confiscated by law enforcement officers.

Far from being overblown hyperbole, describing the recertification law as “the camel’s nose in the tent of gun confiscation” is not only accurate but arguably, an unduly benign portrayal of a grossly disproportionate regime to enforce recertification through mandatory surrender, police seizure, and destruction of otherwise legal property.

Even assuming that license recertification is “a step for safety,” as the New Yorkers Against Gun Violence member claims [in a recent editorial] , it’s not clear how much less secure or safe residents would be if the recertification process included, instead, a grace period for late compliance or imposed a penalty fee for licensees who miss the deadlines but are eligible to recertify.

The (well regulated) Militia registry should be the Only gun registry!

 

[danielpalos]

Most of the left always claim they are against gun confiscation but every conversation on the issue inevitably leads to them bring up the UK's and Australia's bans.

the hammer and anvil? only the right wing never gets it.

We have a Second Amendment in our federal Constitution.

It is a States' right and obligation.

 

[danielpalos]

Ok, thanks for the worthless posts.
If you decide you want to actually discuss it, let me know.

So do you have any ideas of how to reduce the problem, or are you just content to accept so many deaths as the price of everyone being able to carry a gun around?

Well, we cant keep people from killing themselves.
What can we do about gangs?
I am OK with regulations as long as it doesnt infringe on anyones fundamental right to own a weapon

Universal background checks don't infringe on anyone. They won't completely solve the problem, no one thing ill, but they will help.

No they won't criminals by their very nature ignore laws. Background checks will only affect law abiding citizens.

I guess that's why all law are a waste of time. Criminals don't follow them, and the rest don't need them. I'm truly amazed at your insight.

Only illegals to State or federal laws, do that.

 

[Synthaholic]

New York "SAFE" act turning into a gun ban program...

Awesome! Bill de Blasio rocks!

 

[2aguy]

That is easy and we do it every time you bring up "reasonable gun laws." It is against the law to use a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder. Those are effective, they work, and they specifically target illegal behavior, and more to the point, they do not impact law abiding people in any way.

Effective? Criminals use guns to commit rape and murder. According to your rhetoric, those laws are useless because criminals don't care about the law.

Nope....not the argument....laws against rape, robbery and murder do not prevent criminals from committing those acts, they give us the ability to arrest and jail them. Your gun control laws do stop law abiding people from accessing their Right to Keep and Bear arms, but do not stop criminals from getting guns. We already have laws that allow us to lock up people who use guns to commit crimes...you want laws that prevent law abiding people from owning and carrying guns...laws that will not effect criminals in any way.

How does a background check keep anyone from accessing their right to keep and bear arms? ...WAIT!!!!.....Don't tell me. Go tell the supreme court.

First, it is a violation of your Right against self incrimination. Then, if violates the 2nd Amendment as a violation of your Right to keep and bear arms, much like a Poll Tax or Literacy Test does...and that is all before you get to using it as a precursor to universal gun background checks, and then gun registration.

Do licensed dealers doing background checks on all gun sales violate those same laws?

Yes......

 

[2aguy]

Nope....not the argument....laws against rape, robbery and murder do not prevent criminals from committing those acts, they give us the ability to arrest and jail them. Your gun control laws do stop law abiding people from accessing their Right to Keep and Bear arms, but do not stop criminals from getting guns. We already have laws that allow us to lock up people who use guns to commit crimes...you want laws that prevent law abiding people from owning and carrying guns...laws that will not effect criminals in any way.

How does a background check keep anyone from accessing their right to keep and bear arms? ...WAIT!!!!.....Don't tell me. Go tell the supreme court.

Its a problem when it becomes part of a national gun registry.

Is there a national gun registry? Are all guns bought from licensed dealers entered into a national gun registry?

They want a gun registry, and universal background checks gives them the next step and the next demand for them. Universal Background checks will be gotten around by criminals the same way current background checks are gotten around...the criminals shooting up New York, Chicago, Baltimore and the other democrat cities are not going through background checks. Then, once criminals and mass shooters keep getting guns, and people forget that you guys said that UBCs were all we needed, you will then drag out the dead bodies and demand universal gun registration, using the complaint that the only way universal gun background checks can work...is if we have universal gun registration........and you will use the same arguments, drag out the same dead bodies.....and then, when that doesn't work, and you have the power, you will use those lists to confiscate guns as Germany, Britain, Canada, Hawaii, New York, California and Australia have done....

Who said universal background checks were all we need? You keep whining that they won't completely fix the problem so we shouldn't do them. You need to clear your mind and then find out what is really being said instead of just repeating the same crazy talking points.

We have also addressed all of your other "solutions" and shown that they only impact law abiding gun owners.

Our solution.....when you catch a criminal using a gun to commit a crime you lock them up for 30-life...that is how Japan keeps their organized crime groups, the Yakuza, from using guns. If you catch a prohibited person with a gun, you lock them up for 30-life.....these are the only things we need to do to reduce our current, declining, gun crime rate.

Everything else, are simply baby steps to gun confiscation against law abiding gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

With your cuts to your police force, the violence of your young males....it will be much sooner.....

Our slaughter rate will only match yours when you become civilised.

Civilized right, this from a guy who lives in a country that still has a Monarchy. can you people even own land or do you have to rent it from the queen.

We can go to the shops and buy a pint of milk without having a gun on us. That is civilised.

But the guy with the knife takes it from you....and you just have to give it to him because you don't have a gun...

He can have my pint of milk. Its not worth a life.

Apparently, your knife criminals think differently since they are stabbing people to death all over England......and they are now using guns as well...

 

[2aguy]

T

You post this shit every time you get called out.There were 40 gun murders in the US on boxing day alone. Zero in the UK.
Are your precious guns so important to you that you ignore the damage that they do to your society ?

How many rapes, robberies, and murders happened in the UK that day?

I think you're intelligent enough to be willingly tapdancing around the truth.

Which makes you an even bigger douchebag.

There was a possible murder in London on Xmas eve. Cant find any others but I will keep looking.

North London murder victim named as Iuliana Tudos

Of course with it being the season of goodwill there will have been countless domestics up and down the country. However due to our sensible gun laws they did not result in tragic deaths.

However in the US an overcooked turkey results in a body count.

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

People have probably been shot in the US whilst I typed this.

And as predicted....the gun crime is filtering down to the teenagers in Britain....they will eventually begin to shoot to kill....


Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

The only evidence of that is 2aguy's opinions. He has no facts at all to disperse that when it comes, UK is much safer then the US.

I post the links...over and over. Then you lie and say I have no facts.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

New York "SAFE" act turning into a gun ban program...

Awesome! Bill de Blasio rocks!

Yesh **** the Constitution.

 

[Rustic]

tissue?

Right? Who cares about rights? Not important at all

I guess that's what happens when the NRA is a whiny *****, and refuses to join the conversation about reasonable restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of crazies. They get ignored. Grow up.

Criminals don’t obey laws. Shit for brains

 

[BULLDOG]

Effective? Criminals use guns to commit rape and murder. According to your rhetoric, those laws are useless because criminals don't care about the law.

Nope....not the argument....laws against rape, robbery and murder do not prevent criminals from committing those acts, they give us the ability to arrest and jail them. Your gun control laws do stop law abiding people from accessing their Right to Keep and Bear arms, but do not stop criminals from getting guns. We already have laws that allow us to lock up people who use guns to commit crimes...you want laws that prevent law abiding people from owning and carrying guns...laws that will not effect criminals in any way.

How does a background check keep anyone from accessing their right to keep and bear arms? ...WAIT!!!!.....Don't tell me. Go tell the supreme court.

First, it is a violation of your Right against self incrimination. Then, if violates the 2nd Amendment as a violation of your Right to keep and bear arms, much like a Poll Tax or Literacy Test does...and that is all before you get to using it as a precursor to universal gun background checks, and then gun registration.

Do licensed dealers doing background checks on all gun sales violate those same laws?

Yes......

Then quit whining. A few more won't hurt.

 

[BULLDOG]

How does a background check keep anyone from accessing their right to keep and bear arms? ...WAIT!!!!.....Don't tell me. Go tell the supreme court.

Its a problem when it becomes part of a national gun registry.

Is there a national gun registry? Are all guns bought from licensed dealers entered into a national gun registry?

They want a gun registry, and universal background checks gives them the next step and the next demand for them. Universal Background checks will be gotten around by criminals the same way current background checks are gotten around...the criminals shooting up New York, Chicago, Baltimore and the other democrat cities are not going through background checks. Then, once criminals and mass shooters keep getting guns, and people forget that you guys said that UBCs were all we needed, you will then drag out the dead bodies and demand universal gun registration, using the complaint that the only way universal gun background checks can work...is if we have universal gun registration........and you will use the same arguments, drag out the same dead bodies.....and then, when that doesn't work, and you have the power, you will use those lists to confiscate guns as Germany, Britain, Canada, Hawaii, New York, California and Australia have done....

Who said universal background checks were all we need? You keep whining that they won't completely fix the problem so we shouldn't do them. You need to clear your mind and then find out what is really being said instead of just repeating the same crazy talking points.

We have also addressed all of your other "solutions" and shown that they only impact law abiding gun owners.

Our solution.....when you catch a criminal using a gun to commit a crime you lock them up for 30-life...that is how Japan keeps their organized crime groups, the Yakuza, from using guns. If you catch a prohibited person with a gun, you lock them up for 30-life.....these are the only things we need to do to reduce our current, declining, gun crime rate.

Everything else, are simply baby steps to gun confiscation against law abiding gun owners.

The only thing you've shown is you can repeat the same stupid NRA talking points over, and over, and over.

 

[BULLDOG]

tissue?

Right? Who cares about rights? Not important at all

I guess that's what happens when the NRA is a whiny *****, and refuses to join the conversation about reasonable restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of crazies. They get ignored. Grow up.

Criminals don’t obey laws. Shit for brains

There are laws against me tracking you down and butt ******* you until you pass out. If I was a criminal, I might ignore those laws. Are you for removing those laws too?

 

[2aguy]

Its a problem when it becomes part of a national gun registry.

Is there a national gun registry? Are all guns bought from licensed dealers entered into a national gun registry?

They want a gun registry, and universal background checks gives them the next step and the next demand for them. Universal Background checks will be gotten around by criminals the same way current background checks are gotten around...the criminals shooting up New York, Chicago, Baltimore and the other democrat cities are not going through background checks. Then, once criminals and mass shooters keep getting guns, and people forget that you guys said that UBCs were all we needed, you will then drag out the dead bodies and demand universal gun registration, using the complaint that the only way universal gun background checks can work...is if we have universal gun registration........and you will use the same arguments, drag out the same dead bodies.....and then, when that doesn't work, and you have the power, you will use those lists to confiscate guns as Germany, Britain, Canada, Hawaii, New York, California and Australia have done....

Who said universal background checks were all we need? You keep whining that they won't completely fix the problem so we shouldn't do them. You need to clear your mind and then find out what is really being said instead of just repeating the same crazy talking points.

We have also addressed all of your other "solutions" and shown that they only impact law abiding gun owners.

Our solution.....when you catch a criminal using a gun to commit a crime you lock them up for 30-life...that is how Japan keeps their organized crime groups, the Yakuza, from using guns. If you catch a prohibited person with a gun, you lock them up for 30-life.....these are the only things we need to do to reduce our current, declining, gun crime rate.

Everything else, are simply baby steps to gun confiscation against law abiding gun owners.

The only thing you've shown is you can repeat the same stupid NRA talking points over, and over, and over.

Those aren't NRA points....not even close.....they are the truth, facts and reality, which is why you can only use emotion to deal with them.

 

[2aguy]

tissue?

Right? Who cares about rights? Not important at all

I guess that's what happens when the NRA is a whiny *****, and refuses to join the conversation about reasonable restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of crazies. They get ignored. Grow up.

Criminals don’t obey laws. Shit for brains

There are laws against me tracking you down and butt ******* you until you pass out. If I was a criminal, I might ignore those laws. Are you for removing those laws too?

Who needs to remove the law, he'll just shoot your ass.......and aren't threats of a sexual nature banned on U.S.message?