New York Attorney General Poised To Pounce On Trump Pardons

[Harpy Eagle]

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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The dual sovereignty law allows the state to charge and try people for the same offense they were charged with on a Fed Level.

Felony gun crimes are an area where it is used


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So if you’re charged with a federal crime each of the 50 states can then charge you if they don’t like the result. Well that shouldn’t be concerning at all.

It has been the law of the land in your state (and many others I am sure) for longer than you have been alive. Have you seen any thing to be concerned about in regards to it?

The SCOTUS has ruled it does not violate the Constitution on numerous occasions going back to at least the 1950s


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just post something that verifies your statement.

Google “dual sovereignty laws”. Too big a pain from my phone to do it now.


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it has to violate both sovereignties.

I am amazed at people that just willfully and gleefully remain ignorant instead of opening a website beside this forum.

Dual Sovereignty, Due Process, and Duplicative Punishment: A New Solution to an Old Problem

While the protections afforded by the Clause are, in a sense, quite broad, the Clause carries with it a major exception: the dual sovereignty doctrine.

And some other sites about it

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

Roach v. Missouri | Constitutional Accountability Center

 

[Stormy Daniels]

I am amazed at people that just willfully and gleefully remain ignorant instead of opening a website beside this forum.

Why are you amazed? Ignorance is bliss. It's like persistent orgasm. That's why the only people you can really trust are adult film performers. The only way to stave off the temptation to be ignorant is to overfeed your orgasmic drive.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I'll also tell you that your Boy Bambi signed a UN agreement that would allow UN "Peacekeepers" to enter the US to enforce things he might have been worried that our Military wouldn't do on our soil.

Funny. Were any laws broken? Were any changes filed?

Bambi signed the Kigali Principles, it allows UN Peace Keepers from other Nations to come in and do it. Look it up little man.

The “Kigali Principles on the Protection of Civilians” are a non-binding set of pledges to implement certain best practices in peacekeeping.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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name one

The dual sovereignty law allows the state to charge and try people for the same offense they were charged with on a Fed Level.

Felony gun crimes are an area where it is used


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So if you’re charged with a federal crime each of the 50 states can then charge you if they don’t like the result. Well that shouldn’t be concerning at all.

It has been the law of the land in your state (and many others I am sure) for longer than you have been alive. Have you seen any thing to be concerned about in regards to it?

The SCOTUS has ruled it does not violate the Constitution on numerous occasions going back to at least the 1950s


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What I see is an off the wall law that's never been an issue becoming a partisan weapon. The dems are going to use this to get Trump. And typical when the left wingers go all stupid on things like this the repubs will then respond in kind withe dems who will then scream about racism or some stupid ass thing because that's how they do shit and in the mean time we all are dragged down this rabbit hole.

The same stupid democrat bullshit that said back one election the dems tapping Facebook users information was the greatest thing on the planet and a genius move by obie. Passing out awards and patting each other on the back. In 2018 after the repubs did the exact same thing last election it's the crime of the damn century and awards will not be handed out but a summons to congress will be and dammit this had better not ever happen again.

 

[skews13]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

Presidential pardon only applies at the federal level. It does not protect you from state charges.

 

[eagle1462010]

Pardons Granted by President Barack Obama (2009-2017) | PARDON | Department of Justice

Was he ready to POUNCE on those pardoned.................Oh they did drugs.......sold them......groovy man......

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

Presidential pardon only applies at the federal level. It does not protect you from state charges.

You better hope you never break a federal law then. If you do and don't get convicted you only have to go through trial 50 times more to be let off.

 

[Coyote]

This thread has wandered far from it's topic...this might be a good time to review the OP ....

 

[jillian]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Another Leftist Asshole who is just a few years too late to do any good.

https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Was bill Clinton getting himself out of hit water with that pardon? No? Then STFU ijit

 

[Cecilie1200]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Let's see if this rings any bells in your bat-filled belfry:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Is that at all familiar to you?

 

[Lakhota]

New York feds will coordinate with NY AG on criminal charges. This was just discussed on MSNBC. Trump can't pardon for state crimes. It's easy to see on this board that NaziCons are getting very worried. They should be...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

Presidential pardon only applies at the federal level. It does not protect you from state charges.

You better hope you never break a federal law then. If you do and don't get convicted you only have to go through trial 50 times more to be let off.

That is just a stupid misunderstanding of the law. What jurisdiction would the other 49 states have over an action that took place in one state?


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[Missouri_Mike]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

Presidential pardon only applies at the federal level. It does not protect you from state charges.

You better hope you never break a federal law then. If you do and don't get convicted you only have to go through trial 50 times more to be let off.

That is just a stupid misunderstanding of the law. What jurisdiction would the other 49 states have over an action that took place in one state?


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An action by a politician or cabinet member or even a low level aid at the federal level has taken action or committed a crime against all 50 states. All we need to do now is decide if the red states or blue states will prosecute beyond the feds. The way I see it the Clinton's, Comey, Lynch etc should all be currently prosecuted by every red state in the nation.

Keep in mind DC isn't a state. Everything done there is at the federal level and therefore effects all of the states. If we're going to let the states take over federal prosecution there is no state that can be denied their chance at prosecution on their own.

Which actually brings on the next question. What good is the SCOTUS? If their rules aren't nation wide because states can retry and prosecute on their own doesn't that make SCOTUS rulings worthless?

 

[Billy_Bob]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Good luck with this..

Power of the pardon is absolute. This idiot will find himself in jail and facing million dollar civil rights violations for unlawful prosecution...

 

[Lakhota]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Good luck with this..

Power of the pardon is absolute. This idiot will find himself in jail and facing million dollar civil rights violations for unlawful prosecution...

Trump can't pardon for state crimes.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

Presidential pardon only applies at the federal level. It does not protect you from state charges.

You better hope you never break a federal law then. If you do and don't get convicted you only have to go through trial 50 times more to be let off.

That is just a stupid misunderstanding of the law. What jurisdiction would the other 49 states have over an action that took place in one state?


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An action by a politician or cabinet member or even a low level aid at the federal level has taken action or committed a crime against all 50 states. All we need to do now is decide if the red states or blue states will prosecute beyond the feds. The way I see it the Clinton's, Comey, Lynch etc should all be currently prosecuted by every red state in the nation.

Keep in mind DC isn't a state. Everything done there is at the federal level and therefore effects all of the states. If we're going to let the states take over federal prosecution there is no state that can be denied their chance at prosecution on their own.

Which actually brings on the next question. What good is the SCOTUS? If their rules aren't nation wide because states can retry and prosecute on their own doesn't that make SCOTUS rulings worthless?

Do us all a favor and learn a thing about jurisdiction, this hissy fit you are throwing is embarrassing.

There are some of us who believe is states rights and do not think the Fed is god


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[Missouri_Mike]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

Presidential pardon only applies at the federal level. It does not protect you from state charges.

You better hope you never break a federal law then. If you do and don't get convicted you only have to go through trial 50 times more to be let off.

That is just a stupid misunderstanding of the law. What jurisdiction would the other 49 states have over an action that took place in one state?


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An action by a politician or cabinet member or even a low level aid at the federal level has taken action or committed a crime against all 50 states. All we need to do now is decide if the red states or blue states will prosecute beyond the feds. The way I see it the Clinton's, Comey, Lynch etc should all be currently prosecuted by every red state in the nation.

Keep in mind DC isn't a state. Everything done there is at the federal level and therefore effects all of the states. If we're going to let the states take over federal prosecution there is no state that can be denied their chance at prosecution on their own.

Which actually brings on the next question. What good is the SCOTUS? If their rules aren't nation wide because states can retry and prosecute on their own doesn't that make SCOTUS rulings worthless?

Do us all a favor and learn a thing about jurisdiction, this hissy fit you are throwing is embarrassing.

There are some of us who believe is states rights and do not think the Fed is god


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I didn't expect you to just throw in the towel. Very disappointing. You could have at least pointed out one thing wrong with my post.

 

[jc456]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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name one

The dual sovereignty law allows the state to charge and try people for the same offense they were charged with on a Fed Level.

Felony gun crimes are an area where it is used


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

So if you’re charged with a federal crime each of the 50 states can then charge you if they don’t like the result. Well that shouldn’t be concerning at all.

It has been the law of the land in your state (and many others I am sure) for longer than you have been alive. Have you seen any thing to be concerned about in regards to it?

The SCOTUS has ruled it does not violate the Constitution on numerous occasions going back to at least the 1950s


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What I see is an off the wall law that's never been an issue becoming a partisan weapon. The dems are going to use this to get Trump. And typical when the left wingers go all stupid on things like this the repubs will then respond in kind withe dems who will then scream about racism or some stupid ass thing because that's how they do shit and in the mean time we

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Good luck with this..

Power of the pardon is absolute. This idiot will find himself in jail and facing million dollar civil rights violations for unlawful prosecution...

Trump can't pardon for state crimes.

sure he can

 

[toobfreak]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Another Leftist Asshole who is just a few years too late to do any good.

https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Was bill Clinton getting himself out of hit water with that pardon? No? Then STFU ijit

Was Donald Trump getting himself out of hit water pardoning Scooter Libby? Bite me.

 

[Lakhota]

STORMY ATTORNEY’S PREDICTION

Stormy Attorney: ‘I Do Not Think The President Will Serve Out His Term’

I agree!