New deal with Cuba

[kaz]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

Too bad giving them cruz and his father wasn't part of the deal

Brown people are OK as long as they think what you tell them to, eh Archie?

 

[jillian]

What's the big deal with Castro? We dealt with the Soviets and the Chinese without embargoes. We even have relations with a country that's still Communist and fought a war against, Viet Nam. IMO, the treatment we gave them created an "us vs them" mentality in Cuba, that propped the regime up longer than if we'd normalized relations and allowed our system to slowly undermine theirs.

A Marxist asking what's wrong with Castro, how is anyone supposed to answer that?

Well, you wingers love Pooty-poot, the former KGB goon, what's the big deal about Castro? He's got one foot in the grave anyway and his brother is an old fart too.

Another eight year old heard from, thanks for that insight, boozer.

Always glad to help a 6 year old, even if he's a derp.

LOL, nothing can say clearer that you have nothing than to repeat my own line back to me.

You haven't explained your side. What is to be gained by continuing this 50+ year embargo on Cuba? What will be the excuse when Castro is dead and gone? Why is it OK for the US to have normal diplomatic and trade relations with the likes of Vietnam and China, where we have a lot more grievances with war dead, but we must at all costs maintain an embargo on our tiny, pissant neighbor?

Since you put it so nice, I'll answer your question. I have to answer two ways. The first is the broad solution, the second is the narrow one.

1) As a libertarian, I don't think it's for the government to regulate what people or companies do outside the US. I don't think we should have such a thing as embargoes unless we are in a declared war.

2) Given our current system, on the narrow case of Cuba, I would not remove the embargo unless we go to a broader libertarian system. I still oppose most embargoes even if we don't change the system. However, we as a country so badly screwed the Cuban people multiple times. First we took them in our only war of true aggression, the Spanish American war. We let them be ruled by a dictator, then we let him fall for a Marx who was worse. Then Kennedy murdered their freedom fighters in the Bay of Pigs by leading them to believe they had air cover then not providing it. That then scared Castro into allowing the Russians in full throttle and taking us to the brink of nuclear war. So at this point I view it as a matter for the Cuban people, and the best representative of the voice of the Cuban people are the free Cubans in Miami who want the embargo to remain.

ya... business should be unobstructed but intimate relationships should be governed by the gubmint, right:?

 

[kaz]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

it is idiocy that we have relations with Vietnam but not with cuba...

I hear you. Who gives a shit what the Cubans want?

 

[jillian]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

Too bad giving them cruz and his father wasn't part of the deal

Brown people are OK as long as they think what you tell them to, eh Archie?

wow. do you always make up in your little head what others say? I guess it's easier than actual comprehension, eh?

 

[jillian]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

it is idiocy that we have relations with Vietnam but not with cuba...

I hear you. Who gives a shit what the Cubans want?

obviously, people who know florida is a swing state.

 

[kaz]

A Marxist asking what's wrong with Castro, how is anyone supposed to answer that?

Well, you wingers love Pooty-poot, the former KGB goon, what's the big deal about Castro? He's got one foot in the grave anyway and his brother is an old fart too.

Another eight year old heard from, thanks for that insight, boozer.

Always glad to help a 6 year old, even if he's a derp.

LOL, nothing can say clearer that you have nothing than to repeat my own line back to me.

You haven't explained your side. What is to be gained by continuing this 50+ year embargo on Cuba? What will be the excuse when Castro is dead and gone? Why is it OK for the US to have normal diplomatic and trade relations with the likes of Vietnam and China, where we have a lot more grievances with war dead, but we must at all costs maintain an embargo on our tiny, pissant neighbor?

Since you put it so nice, I'll answer your question. I have to answer two ways. The first is the broad solution, the second is the narrow one.

1) As a libertarian, I don't think it's for the government to regulate what people or companies do outside the US. I don't think we should have such a thing as embargoes unless we are in a declared war.

2) Given our current system, on the narrow case of Cuba, I would not remove the embargo unless we go to a broader libertarian system. I still oppose most embargoes even if we don't change the system. However, we as a country so badly screwed the Cuban people multiple times. First we took them in our only war of true aggression, the Spanish American war. We let them be ruled by a dictator, then we let him fall for a Marx who was worse. Then Kennedy murdered their freedom fighters in the Bay of Pigs by leading them to believe they had air cover then not providing it. That then scared Castro into allowing the Russians in full throttle and taking us to the brink of nuclear war. So at this point I view it as a matter for the Cuban people, and the best representative of the voice of the Cuban people are the free Cubans in Miami who want the embargo to remain.

ya... business should be unobstructed but intimate relationships should be governed by the gubmint, right:?

That has nothing to do with anything I said.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The Castro regime looking to cash in one more time before theyre off to that great socialist paradise in the sky.....

 

[kaz]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

Too bad giving them cruz and his father wasn't part of the deal

Brown people are OK as long as they think what you tell them to, eh Archie?

wow. do you always make up in your little head what others say? I guess it's easier than actual comprehension, eh?

No, that's what he said. He wanted to deport Cruz. Do you read before you post? You seem to not.

 

[guno]

Whether you like it or not, most Americans favor normalized relations between the US and Cuba.
There is absolutely no sane reason not to have relations with Cuba.
Poll: Americans favor normal relations with Cuba
WASHINGTON — Most Americans favor normalizing relations with Cuba, where U.S. trade has been banned for more than 50 years, according to a nonpartisan poll released Tuesday.
The poll, commissioned by the Atlantic Council, found that 56% of respondents favor changing U.S. policy toward Cuba. That number increases to 63% among adults living in Florida, home to the country's largest Cuban-American population, and 62% among Latinos, according to the poll.
"This survey shows that the majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle are ready for a policy shift," Peter Schechter and Jason Marczak of the Atlantic Council's Adrienne Arsht Latin American Center wrote in a foreword to the survey. "Most surprisingly, Floridians are even more supportive than an already supportive nation to incrementally or fully change.
Poll Americans favor normal relations with Cuba

You mean because Cubans are primarily Republicans....

"The dam has finally burst in the long-awaited Cuban shift," Amandi said. "This is a remarkable change."

On Election Day, Cuban-American voters gave the president 53 percent of their votes, compared with 47 percent who chose Romney. Yet Romney still won the overall Cuban-American vote thanks to voters who had cast absentee and early in-person ballots, according to the survey of 4,866 voters conducted by Bendixen & Amandi.

The shifting tide among Cuban-American voters is being propelled by two factors: youth and immigration, said Amandi. Young Cuban-Americans born and raised here are not sure-bet Republican voters as their staunchly anti-Castro elders were, he said.

Cuban-American Support For Democrats Growing In Florida

 

[kaz]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

it is idiocy that we have relations with Vietnam but not with cuba...

I hear you. Who gives a shit what the Cubans want?

obviously, people who know florida is a swing state.

Yes, exactly. Dealing with a Marxist government is fine for you, and that it would piss off the Cubans and make them angry the Republicans sold them out is just a big old wet kiss of a bonus. You are shallowly obvious.

 

[BullKurtz]

Fidel and Raul demanded the Soviets NUKE the USA....of course Barry couldn't care less about doing business with animals like the Castro boys. I remember a leftist on another board (Horus) who I had to show pics of the communists shooting Batista supporters roped together in a ditch. He'd supported Fidel's paradise his entire life until that moment....poor Horus...I think for a moment he considered suicide.

 

[Borillar]

What's the big deal with Castro? We dealt with the Soviets and the Chinese without embargoes. We even have relations with a country that's still Communist and fought a war against, Viet Nam. IMO, the treatment we gave them created an "us vs them" mentality in Cuba, that propped the regime up longer than if we'd normalized relations and allowed our system to slowly undermine theirs.

A Marxist asking what's wrong with Castro, how is anyone supposed to answer that?

Well, you wingers love Pooty-poot, the former KGB goon, what's the big deal about Castro? He's got one foot in the grave anyway and his brother is an old fart too.

Another eight year old heard from, thanks for that insight, boozer.

Always glad to help a 6 year old, even if he's a derp.

LOL, nothing can say clearer that you have nothing than to repeat my own line back to me.

You haven't explained your side. What is to be gained by continuing this 50+ year embargo on Cuba? What will be the excuse when Castro is dead and gone? Why is it OK for the US to have normal diplomatic and trade relations with the likes of Vietnam and China, where we have a lot more grievances with war dead, but we must at all costs maintain an embargo on our tiny, pissant neighbor?

Since you put it so nice, I'll answer your question. I have to answer two ways. The first is the broad solution, the second is the narrow one.

1) As a libertarian, I don't think it's for the government to regulate what people or companies do outside the US. I don't think we should have such a thing as embargoes unless we are in a declared war.

2) Given our current system, on the narrow case of Cuba, I would not remove the embargo unless we go to a broader libertarian system. I still oppose most embargoes even if we don't change the system. However, we as a country so badly screwed the Cuban people multiple times. First we took them in our only war of true aggression, the Spanish American war. We let them be ruled by a dictator, then we let him fall for a Marx who was worse. Then Kennedy murdered their freedom fighters in the Bay of Pigs by leading them to believe they had air cover then not providing it. That then scared Castro into allowing the Russians in full throttle and taking us to the brink of nuclear war. So at this point I view it as a matter for the Cuban people, and the best representative of the voice of the Cuban people are the free Cubans in Miami who want the embargo to remain.

Agreed to your first point. Your second point appears to contradict your first point though. And why should a few thousand disgruntled exiles in Florida dictate the foreign policy of the US with regards to Cuba? The Vietnamese boat people didn't force the US to have an embargo on Vietnam.

 

[BULLDOG]

What goes around comes around libs I don't want to hear any whining and crying from you people about what the next Republican president does.

Don't worry about that. The next republican president won't be around until we are all old and gray. No time soon.

 

[deltex1]

Will Lebron be sporting a "Cuba si, Yankee no" t shirt Tonite?

 

[bodecea]

Who would have possibly imagined that a commie US President would be kissing the ass of another commie nation?

So this is ass-kissing? What do you call the right's infatuation with Putin, tea bagging?

What infatuation?

Deny it all you want. It's all in the archives for anyone to see, shortbus.

No, it's not. That's just your way of saying you can't back it up, so you're running away.

Oh, it's there all right....just do advanced search on "Putin" in Politics.

 

[bodecea]

There is a huge protest growing in Miami among the Cubans right now.

Hope they don't tangle up their walkers and wheelchairs and oxygen bottles.

 

[kaz]

A Marxist asking what's wrong with Castro, how is anyone supposed to answer that?

Well, you wingers love Pooty-poot, the former KGB goon, what's the big deal about Castro? He's got one foot in the grave anyway and his brother is an old fart too.

Another eight year old heard from, thanks for that insight, boozer.

Always glad to help a 6 year old, even if he's a derp.

LOL, nothing can say clearer that you have nothing than to repeat my own line back to me.

You haven't explained your side. What is to be gained by continuing this 50+ year embargo on Cuba? What will be the excuse when Castro is dead and gone? Why is it OK for the US to have normal diplomatic and trade relations with the likes of Vietnam and China, where we have a lot more grievances with war dead, but we must at all costs maintain an embargo on our tiny, pissant neighbor?

Since you put it so nice, I'll answer your question. I have to answer two ways. The first is the broad solution, the second is the narrow one.

1) As a libertarian, I don't think it's for the government to regulate what people or companies do outside the US. I don't think we should have such a thing as embargoes unless we are in a declared war.

2) Given our current system, on the narrow case of Cuba, I would not remove the embargo unless we go to a broader libertarian system. I still oppose most embargoes even if we don't change the system. However, we as a country so badly screwed the Cuban people multiple times. First we took them in our only war of true aggression, the Spanish American war. We let them be ruled by a dictator, then we let him fall for a Marx who was worse. Then Kennedy murdered their freedom fighters in the Bay of Pigs by leading them to believe they had air cover then not providing it. That then scared Castro into allowing the Russians in full throttle and taking us to the brink of nuclear war. So at this point I view it as a matter for the Cuban people, and the best representative of the voice of the Cuban people are the free Cubans in Miami who want the embargo to remain.

Agreed to your first point. Your second point appears to contradict your first point though. And why should a few thousand disgruntled exiles in Florida dictate the foreign policy of the US with regards to Cuba? The Vietnamese boat people didn't force the US to have an embargo on Vietnam.

I answered that question in my post.

 

[kaz]

Who would have possibly imagined that a commie US President would be kissing the ass of another commie nation?

So this is ass-kissing? What do you call the right's infatuation with Putin, tea bagging?

What infatuation?

Deny it all you want. It's all in the archives for anyone to see, shortbus.

No, it's not. That's just your way of saying you can't back it up, so you're running away.

Oh, it's there all right....just do advanced search on "Putin" in Politics.

And?

 

[Toro]

Good job.

It's been a total failure.

 

[BluesLegend]

What goes around comes around libs I don't want to hear any whining and crying from you people about what the next Republican president does.

Don't worry about that. The next republican president won't be around until we are all old and gray. No time soon.

Says the side that just got their ass handed to them in a national election. Hey you libs only need 40 seats in the House to reclaim the majority AHAHAHA!