New Biden water heater ban will drive up energy prices for poor, seniors: expert

[Captain Caveman]

I'll believe it when I see it, but doubt it will be 2029. Mine is natural gas fired, but I have no idea whether it is non-condensing or not. It is a 2 year old Rheem. I doubt if I worry about in 2029.

It would have an inch diameter plastic pipe with the condensate (water) connecting to a waste pipe in the house or to an outside down spout.

 

[excalibur]

They're inefficient and costly
~S~

For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.

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costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch

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[j-mac]

You can tremble with fear at every twig that snaps, if you want. I tend to deal with reality, instead of fantasy future world, probably after the current and future presidents are simply memories.

That doesn't even make sense....But, like I said...

 

[Woodznutz]

Old people don't give a shit about "efficiency." All they want is hot water when they turn on the tap.

You yourself said "elderly people hold the most wealth of any age group", so why should they worry about having to scrimp on water heaters?

Personally, it's the principle of the thing (although I just bought a gas guzzling 2003 Mercury Grand Marquis).

 

[j-mac]

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For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.​

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costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch​

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Doing shit just to cause American's pain, is what Democrats take pleasure in....Sadistic fucks...

 

[WEATHER53]

Saving $35 per year is unexciting

 

[Woodznutz]

Old people don't give a shit about "efficiency." All they want is hot water when they turn on the tap.

You yourself said "elderly people hold the most wealth of any age group", so why should they worry about having to scrimp on water heaters?

Maybe it's decisions like that account for their wealth. The thing is when the mandate starts older models might not be available, so they'll have to pony up for the new ones.

 

[TimFitz]

The loons scream about science constantly but seem to have forgotten or don't know that CO2 is the stuff plants breath.

Channeling Ronald Reagan?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Channeling Ronald Reagan?

What ?

 

[Woodznutz]

Saving $35 per year is unexciting

Unless you put it on the pile of other money you've saved that year. I have cut my own hair since Covid. My savings are over a $thousand now just in haircuts (and I get the cut I want) not including the time and gas to go and wait for an open chair.

 

[Cougarbear]

Water heaters are one of the biggest wasters of energy.

Progress can't be held hostage by the elderly and the poor. Actually, elderly people hold the most wealth of any age group, and the poor are largely renters, who wouldn't be responsible for the cost of new water heaters.

Democrats Climate Change Semi-Humans are the biggest waste of CO2 and need to be eliminated.

 

[White 6]

It would have an inch diameter plastic pipe with the condensate (water) connecting to a waste pipe in the house or to an outside down spout.

Nope. Not mine. So if I like my water heater, I get to keep my water heater, I guess.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Nope. Not mine. So if I like my water heater, I get to keep my water heater, I guess.

New condensing boilers can reach over 90% efficiency and an annoying condensate drain pipe, non-condensing boilers have an efficiency of 70% to 80%.

But it's all irrelevant, governments are hell bent on making sure water and heating will be done by the dearest fuel on the planet, electric boilers. The politicians will just put their electric bill down on expenses. Just means you can fit it in the middle of your house because of no flu, and you will have quadruple the house insulation because you won't want to use it.

 

[scruffy]

What a bunch of fucking morons.

This is right up there with cow farts.

 

[Independent thinker]

Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

Just shows who and what Biden has always been.

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A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.​

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Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.​

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If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.​

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The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.​

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While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.​

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“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet. ​

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“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”​

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Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US. ​

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Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report. ​

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For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.​

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Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters. ​

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“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet. ​

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By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized. ​

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“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said. ​

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New Biden water heater ban will drive up energy prices for poor, seniors: expert

A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.

nypost.com

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The left have done a bunch of this shit, driving up prices on everyone, which effects the poor and middle class the most. They are so, so blind to what their policies do and are still scratching their heads as to why the working class voted for Trump. It's right in front of their noses and yet they can't see it. Save the planet, screw the poor and the middle class.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

Just shows who and what Biden has always been.

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A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.​

​

Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.​

​

If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.​

​

The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.​

​

While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.​

​

“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet. ​

​

“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”​

​

Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US. ​

​

Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report. ​

​

For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.​

​

​

Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters. ​

​

“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet. ​

​

By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized. ​

​

“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said. ​

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New Biden water heater ban will drive up energy prices for poor, seniors: expert

A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.

nypost.com

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Trump needs to file an emergency appeal to have a guardian appointed for Biden

 

[sparky]

Do you think the landlord will just buy it out of the goodness of their heart, or put the rent up to cover the cost? Let's think

One on my turf had an electric instahot installed to serve his six unit apartment house thinking he's save on gas

It required a separate 200A electrical service that cost him multiple times what the prior gas bill was

I'm guessing they will opt for the most efficient water heaters. I would. That said plumbing companies are likely to stock up on the older models before the mandate. It's not illegal.

Our FWW (local plumbing supply) has a room full of such models that were brought back to them ,exchanged for tank models, warranty violations, fuel costs, or because they simply did not perform

~S~

 

[sparky]

The left have done a bunch of this shit, driving up prices on everyone, which effects the poor and middle class the most. They are so, so blind to what their policies do and are still scratching their heads as to why the working class voted for Trump. It's right in front of their noses and yet they can't see it. Save the planet, screw the poor and the middle class.

Virtue signaling tools of a gov sanctioned shill industry are necessary for it's continued subsidization.....~S~

~S~

 

[Cellblock2429]

Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

Just shows who and what Biden has always been.

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A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.​

​

Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.​

​

If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.​

​

The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.​

​

While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.​

​

“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet. ​

​

“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”​

​

Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US. ​

​

Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report. ​

​

For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.​

​

​

Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters. ​

​

“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet. ​

​

By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized. ​

​

“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said. ​

​

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New Biden water heater ban will drive up energy prices for poor, seniors: expert

A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.

nypost.com

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/——/ The nightmare ends in 8 days.

 

[Woodznutz]

/——/ The nightmare ends in 8 days.

Non-condensing, storage tank gas water heaters can easily accomplish 17 percent more efficiency with better insulation. It's "standby" and flue heat losses that are the major cause of inefficiencies in such water heaters.