New Biden water heater ban will drive up energy prices for poor, seniors: expert

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A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.

Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.

If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.

The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.

While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet.

“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”

Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US.

Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report.

For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.


Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters.

“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet.

By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized.

“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said.

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Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

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A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.
Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.
If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.
The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.
While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.
“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet.
“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”
Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US.
Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report.
For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.
Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters.
“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet.
By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized.
“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said.
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Tankless? Is that just a combi boiler?
 
Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

Just shows who and what Biden has always been.


A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.
Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.
If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.
The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.
While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.
“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet.
“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”
Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US.
Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report.
For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.
Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters.
“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet.
By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized.
“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said.
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Water heaters are one of the biggest wasters of energy.

Progress can't be held hostage by the elderly and the poor. Actually, elderly people hold the most wealth of any age group, and the poor are largely renters, who wouldn't be responsible for the cost of new water heaters.
 
Plants breathe it in during the day and out at night.


While plants release CO2 during respiration, the amount they absorb during photosynthesis is usually greater during daylight hours, resulting in a net removal of CO2 from the atmosphere. (emphasis added)​

 
Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters.
They're inefficient and costly
~S~
 
The loons scream about science constantly but seem to have forgotten or don't know that CO2 is the stuff plants breath.

It has been a mocked increase in Garden foliation in the past 20 years. Plants are growing taller and bearing more fruit in each individual fruit or vegetable has more mass.
 
Water heaters are one of the biggest wasters of energy.

Progress can't be held hostage by the elderly and the poor. Actually, elderly people hold the most wealth of any age group, and the poor are largely renters, who wouldn't be responsible for the cost of new water heaters.
Do you think the landlord will just buy it out of the goodness of their heart, or put the rent up to cover the cost? Let's think 🤔
 
Unless you are a criminal Biden wants harm to come your way
 
Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

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A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.
Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.
If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.
The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.
While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.
“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet.
“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”
Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US.
Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report.
For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.
Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters.
“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet.
By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized.
“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said.
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I'll believe it when I see it, but doubt it will be 2029. Mine is natural gas fired, but I have no idea whether it is non-condensing or not. It is a 2 year old Rheem. I doubt if I worry about in 2029.
 
Go! Just go. And stop leaving droppings around that you think will hurt Trump while harming Americans.

Just shows who and what Biden has always been.


A Biden administration ban on certain natural gas water heaters as part of the lame duck president’s climate agenda could send prices soaring for the elderly and the poor.
Under the policy, new non-condensing, natural gas-fired water heaters will be prohibited for sale starting in 2029 due to concerns about carbon-dioxide emissions. The policy comes during President Biden’s twilight days in the White House and was quietly announced without a press release.
If the policy takes effect, as it is slated to on March 11, a little less than 40% of the tankless water heaters currently on the market would be banned, according to an estimate from the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.
The new rules, which were published by the Department of Energy just after Christmas, also stipulate that new tankless gas water heaters must rely on 13% less energy than the least efficient comparable model on the markets today.
While the restrictions don’t outright ban non-condensing models, only condensing models have been able to meet the new ratcheted-up energy efficiency requirements, according to the Washington Free Beacon.
“When the rule goes into effect, all that manufacturing will basically be irrelevant,” Frank Windsor, president of Rinnai America, a water heater manufacturer, told the outlet.
“A lot of the major equipment that we’ve invested in will basically have to be scrapped.”
Rinnai had just finished up a roughly $70 million factory in Georgia to produce non-condensing gas water heaters in the US.
Customers will be pushed towards buying models that are more expensive or lean on non-instantaneous storage tank water heaters, which are generally cheaper but tend to be less efficient than the ones that are facing a ban, per the report.
For example, a Rinnai America tankless non-condensing natural gas water heater goes for roughly $1,000 at Home Depot, while a comparable condensing tank goes for about $1,800.
Tankless technology is frequently used in smaller apartments or housing spaces, which means that a lot of lower-income and elderly people tend to use those types of water heaters.
“Forcing low-income and senior customers to pay far more upfront is particularly concerning. DOE’s decision to go ahead with a flawed final rule is deeply disappointing,” Matthew Agen, the American Gas Association’s chief counsel for energy, told the outlet.
By the Department of Energy’s estimate, the costs saved over the long run by the new rules will be about $112 over a roughly 20-year stretch, Agen emphasized.
“The final rule is a violation of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), which prohibits DOE from promulgating a standard that renders a product with a distinct performance characteristic unavailable,” he previously said.
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It's all bullshit. The answer is super insulated electric water heaters using timers to take advantage of off-peak electric rates, which compete favorably with natural gas costs. Also, by 2029 there should be enough clean energy to help heat water. Additionally, many older water heaters will still be functional for years after the mandate starts. Water heaters have an average life of 8-12 years.
 
I'll believe it when I see it, but doubt it will be 2029. Mine is natural gas fired, but I have no idea whether it is non-condensing or not. It is a 2 year old Rheem. I doubt if I worry about in 2029.
Yeah? but, your brainless, so, no one gives a shit what YOU do.....Let that sink in....
 
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It's their money and they should get to decide how they want to spend it to heat their water, not the government.
I'm guessing they will opt for the most efficient water heaters. I would. That said plumbing companies are likely to stock up on the older models before the mandate. It's not illegal.
 
Yeah? but, your brainless, so, no one gives a shit what YOU do.....Let that sink in....
You can tremble with fear at every twig that snaps, if you want. I tend to deal with reality, instead of fantasy future world, probably after the current and future presidents are simply memories.
 
I'm guessing they will opt for the most efficient water heaters. I would.

Old people don't give a shit about "efficiency." All they want is hot water when they turn on the tap.

You yourself said "elderly people hold the most wealth of any age group", so why should they worry about having to scrimp on water heaters?
 
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