New and Improved Version of 'Bush Did It"

[PatekPhilippe]

The CIA REPORT was 1999, but Tenet gave that CIA report as TESTIMONY before Congress on Feb 2, 2001!!!!

Now YOU give the link to your lie that Tenet said it was Iran and not Iraq

ed...quit now.... while your in last place....

The Democrats were clearly complicent in the whole WMD charade...
Tenet: "It's a slam dunk Mr. President!!"

before a single bomb was dropped on Iraq, bush was supposed to come back to congress and report. the authority to wage war was only ever supposed to be used to leverage diplomatic efforts...which worked..... and war was supposed to be only the last resort. not the first. so were the dems wusses? yes. but complicit? extraordinary overstatement.

Respectfully disagree jillian...all one has to do is look at the actions of the Senate Intel Committee and the Democrat controlled Senate.....complicent is putting it rather mildly compared to what the Dems and left wing loons called Bush and the Republicans.

 

[edthecynic]

This is your quote dated 2/7/2001, that you have used, now please explain where George Tenet made this statement on 2/7/2001 when the link you provided is from the following:

Unclassified Report to Congress, July - December 1999
Unclassified Report to Congress on
the Acquisition of Technology Relating to
Weapons of Mass Destruction and
Advanced Conventional Munitions

1 July Through 30 December 1999

One more thing, while your at it, please provide the source for the Rice & Powell statements as well....Whenever your ready to explain this one I am ready to listen......

The CIA REPORT was 1999, but Tenet gave that CIA report as TESTIMONY before Congress on Feb 2, 2001!!!!

Now YOU give the link to your lie that Tenet said it was Iran and not Iraq

Now ed, just admit it, you found the Tenet, Rice and Powell quotes on the AOL boards....

You had no idea of what they said....just admit it.....it's OK.....

One more time for you skippy, notice the results and time/seconds;

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Did you mean: We do not have any direct evidence that Iran has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" -George Tenet, 2/07/2001

One more time Slick, that is not a link to a Tenet quote! Just admit that your fellow CON$ made up the IRAN claim.... just admit it.... it's OK.

And I post on the AOL board, and any other posters who posted those quotes on AOL got them from me.

 

[GWV5903]

The CIA REPORT was 1999, but Tenet gave that CIA report as TESTIMONY before Congress on Feb 2, 2001!!!!

Now YOU give the link to your lie that Tenet said it was Iran and not Iraq

Now ed, just admit it, you found the Tenet, Rice and Powell quotes on the AOL boards....

You had no idea of what they said....just admit it.....it's OK.....

One more time for you skippy, notice the results and time/seconds;

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Did you mean: We do not have any direct evidence that Iran has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" -George Tenet, 2/07/2001

One more time Slick, that is not a link to a Tenet quote! Just admit that your fellow CON$ made up the IRAN claim.... just admit it.... it's OK.

And I post on the AOL board, and any other posters who posted those quotes on AOL got them from me.

Try Google ed, and you have NO proof he said it in 2001, your own post cleary ties it to a CIA Unclassified report from 1999? Why are you debating your own post?!?!?!

 

[edthecynic]

Now ed, just admit it, you found the Tenet, Rice and Powell quotes on the AOL boards....

You had no idea of what they said....just admit it.....it's OK.....

One more time for you skippy, notice the results and time/seconds;

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Did you mean: We do not have any direct evidence that Iran has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" -George Tenet, 2/07/2001

One more time Slick, that is not a link to a Tenet quote! Just admit that your fellow CON$ made up the IRAN claim.... just admit it.... it's OK.

And I post on the AOL board, and any other posters who posted those quotes on AOL got them from me.

Try Google ed, and you have NO proof he said it in 2001, your own post cleary ties it to a CIA Unclassified report from 1999? Why are you debating your own post?!?!?!

One of your fellow travelers gave this link:
The Raw Story | Rediscovered testimony given by CIA director in 2001 suggests manipulation of pre-war intelligence
“We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since (Operation) Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs,” Tenet said in an agency report to Congress Feb. 7, 2001.

Now post a link to a quote from Tenet or a CIA report that says it was IRAN and not IRAQ as YOU falsely claimed. You won't post a direct link because you are the source of that lie.
If you google my quote and then click on the "Do you mean" link you get your post as the source of your IRAN lie.

"We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" - Google Search

 

[PatekPhilippe]

One more time Slick, that is not a link to a Tenet quote! Just admit that your fellow CON$ made up the IRAN claim.... just admit it.... it's OK.

And I post on the AOL board, and any other posters who posted those quotes on AOL got them from me.

Try Google ed, and you have NO proof he said it in 2001, your own post cleary ties it to a CIA Unclassified report from 1999? Why are you debating your own post?!?!?!

One of your fellow travelers gave this link:
The Raw Story | Rediscovered testimony given by CIA director in 2001 suggests manipulation of pre-war intelligence
“We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since (Operation) Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs,” Tenet said in an agency report to Congress Feb. 7, 2001.

Now post a link to a quote from Tenet or a CIA report that says it was IRAN and not IRAQ as YOU falsely claimed. You won't post a direct link because you are the source of that lie.
If you google my quote and then click on the "Do you mean" link you get your post as the source of your IRAN lie.

"We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" - Google Search

Ed....you're wasting your time rehashing bullshit and trying to justify your fucked up opinions....Dickie Durbin ADMITTED ON THE SENATE FLOOR THAT THERE WERE 2 SET'S OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR!!!! The piece of shit Dem's then chose their fucking jobs over DOING THE RIGHT THING!!!!

Now get that FACT through your head...OK!!!???

 

[edthecynic]

Try Google ed, and you have NO proof he said it in 2001, your own post cleary ties it to a CIA Unclassified report from 1999? Why are you debating your own post?!?!?!

One of your fellow travelers gave this link:
The Raw Story | Rediscovered testimony given by CIA director in 2001 suggests manipulation of pre-war intelligence
“We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since (Operation) Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs,” Tenet said in an agency report to Congress Feb. 7, 2001.

Now post a link to a quote from Tenet or a CIA report that says it was IRAN and not IRAQ as YOU falsely claimed. You won't post a direct link because you are the source of that lie.
If you google my quote and then click on the "Do you mean" link you get your post as the source of your IRAN lie.

"We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" - Google Search

Ed....you're wasting your time rehashing bullshit and trying to justify your fucked up opinions....Dickie Durbin ADMITTED ON THE SENATE FLOOR THAT THERE WERE 2 SET'S OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR!!!! The piece of shit Dem's then chose their fucking jobs over DOING THE RIGHT THING!!!!

Now get that FACT through your head...OK!!!???

Please supply a link to that quote if you expect it to be accepted as a "FACT". I googled it and got nothing both ways you "QUOTED" it!

"THERE WERE two SETS OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN OUR DELIBERATIONS" durbin - Google Search

"THERE WERE two SETS OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR" durbin - Google Search

 

[Bfgrn]

What did Saddam gas the Kurds with????

Interesting read Ollie. Kinda makes you wonder don't it???

 

[Claudette]

Iraq is a pretty big place with loads of desert and places that no one even visits. Kinda wonder what will be said if some archeologist is strolling along and golly gee, he finds WMD's. Think it will be kinda like "climategate" all over again. Wonder if the MSM will cover that?????

 

[Annie]

One of your fellow travelers gave this link:
The Raw Story | Rediscovered testimony given by CIA director in 2001 suggests manipulation of pre-war intelligence
“We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since (Operation) Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs,” Tenet said in an agency report to Congress Feb. 7, 2001.

Now post a link to a quote from Tenet or a CIA report that says it was IRAN and not IRAQ as YOU falsely claimed. You won't post a direct link because you are the source of that lie.
If you google my quote and then click on the "Do you mean" link you get your post as the source of your IRAN lie.

"We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs" - Google Search

Ed....you're wasting your time rehashing bullshit and trying to justify your fucked up opinions....Dickie Durbin ADMITTED ON THE SENATE FLOOR THAT THERE WERE 2 SET'S OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR!!!! The piece of shit Dem's then chose their fucking jobs over DOING THE RIGHT THING!!!!

Now get that FACT through your head...OK!!!???

Please supply a link to that quote if you expect it to be accepted as a "FACT". I googled it and got nothing both ways you "QUOTED" it!

"THERE WERE two SETS OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN OUR DELIBERATIONS" durbin - Google Search

"THERE WERE two SETS OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR" durbin - Google Search

No problem for me:

Durbin kept silent on prewar knowledge - Washington Times

Originally published 12:48 a.m., April 27, 2007, updated 12:00 a.m., April 27, 2007
Durbin kept silent on prewar knowledge

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat says he knew that the American public was being misled into the Iraq war but remained silent because he was sworn to secrecy as a member of the intelligence committee.

"The information we had in the intelligence committee was not the same information being given to the American people. I couldn't believe it," Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, said Wednesday when talking on the Senate floor about the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002.

"I was angry about it. [But] frankly, I couldn't do much about it because, in the intelligence committee, we are sworn to secrecy. We can't walk outside the door and say the statement made yesterday by the White House is in direct contradiction to classified information that is being given to this Congress."

Mr. Durbin's comments come after years of inquiries and debate about prewar intelligence, and as congressional leaders clash over Democrats' calls to pull out of Iraq.

The White House responded by saying Congress had access to the same intelligence and voted overwhelmingly to go to war.

"We all understand today that there were intelligence failures, but there was no effort to mislead either members of Congress or the American people," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto....

 

[SFC Ollie]

Iraq is a pretty big place with loads of desert and places that no one even visits. Kinda wonder what will be said if some archeologist is strolling along and golly gee, he finds WMD's. Think it will be kinda like "climategate" all over again. Wonder if the MSM will cover that?????

Let us hope that it never happens.

 

[rightwinger]

Iraq is a pretty big place with loads of desert and places that no one even visits. Kinda wonder what will be said if some archeologist is strolling along and golly gee, he finds WMD's. Think it will be kinda like "climategate" all over again. Wonder if the MSM will cover that?????

Golly Gee........WMDs emerging out of nowhere

It is relatively easy to hide a WMD. What is impossible is to hide the paper trail that covers the procurement, design, production, storage, transport and eventual disposal of those WMDs. Bush went through every piece of paper from the Hussein regime and they found nothing. Absolutely nothing to support that there were WMDs
US forces also interviewed everyone who may have been involved in buying, producing, transporting or storing WMDs....They could not find a single person to step forward.

THERE WERE NO WMDs !

 

[edthecynic]

Ed....you're wasting your time rehashing bullshit and trying to justify your fucked up opinions....Dickie Durbin ADMITTED ON THE SENATE FLOOR THAT THERE WERE 2 SET'S OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR!!!! The piece of shit Dem's then chose their fucking jobs over DOING THE RIGHT THING!!!!

Now get that FACT through your head...OK!!!???

Please supply a link to that quote if you expect it to be accepted as a "FACT". I googled it and got nothing both ways you "QUOTED" it!

"THERE WERE two SETS OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN OUR DELIBERATIONS" durbin - Google Search

"THERE WERE two SETS OF INTELLIGENCE USED IN THE RUN UP TO WAR" durbin - Google Search

No problem for me:

Durbin kept silent on prewar knowledge - Washington Times

Originally published 12:48 a.m., April 27, 2007, updated 12:00 a.m., April 27, 2007
Durbin kept silent on prewar knowledge

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat says he knew that the American public was being misled into the Iraq war but remained silent because he was sworn to secrecy as a member of the intelligence committee.

"The information we had in the intelligence committee was not the same information being given to the American people. I couldn't believe it," Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, said Wednesday when talking on the Senate floor about the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002.

"I was angry about it. [But] frankly, I couldn't do much about it because, in the intelligence committee, we are sworn to secrecy. We can't walk outside the door and say the statement made yesterday by the White House is in direct contradiction to classified information that is being given to this Congress."

Mr. Durbin's comments come after years of inquiries and debate about prewar intelligence, and as congressional leaders clash over Democrats' calls to pull out of Iraq.

The White House responded by saying Congress had access to the same intelligence and voted overwhelmingly to go to war.

"We all understand today that there were intelligence failures, but there was no effort to mislead either members of Congress or the American people," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto....

Thank you for the link.

And it is quite a bit different from what PeePee presented. Only the members of the Select Senate Committee on Intelligence, not the full Senate as PeePee implies, were given the info and they were sworn to secrecy. Half the Dems on the Committee voted against it but ALL the GOP Committee members voted for it, proving yet again that no matter how bad the Dems are, the GOP are much worse. And that's about the best thing I can say about the Dems, they are the lesser of two evils, which is why I am a lifelong registered Independent who always votes Third Party or Write-in.

Your link continues:
Mr. Durbin yesterday said there was no "ethical" way to notify the public of specific misleading information being touted by the Bush administration because it would have required revealing top-secret information being provided to the intelligence committee.

He cited the White House's claim that Iraq was trying to acquire aluminum tubes needed for a nuclear weapons program -- details of which have since been declassified -- as an example of bad intelligence, saying that there was an ongoing debate within the administration as it was being used in public.

Mr. Durbin, whose floor comments were part of the debate before yesterday's passage of an emergency war-funding bill, said he and half the Democrats on the intelligence committee voted against the war over concerns of the White House's "very flimsy case, but it was given to the American people as a proven fact."

Congress authorized the 2003 use of armed force against Iraq by votes of 296-133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate. Five of nine Democrats on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence voted for the measure as did all eight Republicans.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Iraq is a pretty big place with loads of desert and places that no one even visits. Kinda wonder what will be said if some archeologist is strolling along and golly gee, he finds WMD's. Think it will be kinda like "climategate" all over again. Wonder if the MSM will cover that?????

Golly Gee........WMDs emerging out of nowhere

It is relatively easy to hide a WMD. What is impossible is to hide the paper trail that covers the procurement, design, production, storage, transport and eventual disposal of those WMDs. Bush went through every piece of paper from the Hussein regime and they found nothing. Absolutely nothing to support that there were WMDs
US forces also interviewed everyone who may have been involved in buying, producing, transporting or storing WMDs....They could not find a single person to step forward.

THERE WERE NO WMDs !

My bet is you have never read the Duelfer report.

 

[rightwinger]

Iraq is a pretty big place with loads of desert and places that no one even visits. Kinda wonder what will be said if some archeologist is strolling along and golly gee, he finds WMD's. Think it will be kinda like "climategate" all over again. Wonder if the MSM will cover that?????

Golly Gee........WMDs emerging out of nowhere

It is relatively easy to hide a WMD. What is impossible is to hide the paper trail that covers the procurement, design, production, storage, transport and eventual disposal of those WMDs. Bush went through every piece of paper from the Hussein regime and they found nothing. Absolutely nothing to support that there were WMDs
US forces also interviewed everyone who may have been involved in buying, producing, transporting or storing WMDs....They could not find a single person to step forward.

THERE WERE NO WMDs !

My bet is you have never read the Duelfer report.

Show me....show where there was a threat of WMDs

And don't bring up that he gassed the Kurds 20 years earlier

 

[Rinata]

Bush does share responsibility for the current situation in Afghanistan. He had seven years to accomplish what we went there for. We should have been out of there by now. Had he done his job we wouldn't need to have this discussion. That doesn't mean that I think Obama is going to fare any better. I frankly don't know why he is going to send another 30,000 Americans into harms way when he doesn't have the will to do what is necessary to achieve victory. We are better off just pulling out at this point.

I remember that for many months I heard nothing about Afghanistan at all. It was always Iraq. Afghanistan was ignored for a long time.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Golly Gee........WMDs emerging out of nowhere

It is relatively easy to hide a WMD. What is impossible is to hide the paper trail that covers the procurement, design, production, storage, transport and eventual disposal of those WMDs. Bush went through every piece of paper from the Hussein regime and they found nothing. Absolutely nothing to support that there were WMDs
US forces also interviewed everyone who may have been involved in buying, producing, transporting or storing WMDs....They could not find a single person to step forward.

THERE WERE NO WMDs !

My bet is you have never read the Duelfer report.

Show me....show where there was a threat of WMDs

And don't bring up that he gassed the Kurds 20 years earlier

Everyone knows that the intell was physically wrong about there being Stockpiles of WMD.
But what so many refuse to accept is that Saddam played games with the inspectors leaving them to believe he was hiding his production. He actually admitted this to one of the translators at his trial. The other thing so many refuse to accept is that Saddam planned on going back to full production once he got sanctions lifted. Its all there in the Duelfer report though, and for anyone who wants the truth they can read all about it.

 

[saveliberty]

Saddam gambled and lost. He was more concerned about Iran attacking than the US. We had backed off once before, it was the safer play. He had to make it look like a WMD situation and was successful.

 

[rightwinger]

Saddam gambled and lost. He was more concerned about Iran attacking than the US. We had backed off once before, it was the safer play. He had to make it look like a WMD situation and was successful.

Hussein was interested in one thing only....staying in power

He knew it was not in his best interests to provide the west with a reason to attack again. Building WMDs was a losing strategy for him

 

[saveliberty]

Saddam gambled and lost. He was more concerned about Iran attacking than the US. We had backed off once before, it was the safer play. He had to make it look like a WMD situation and was successful.

Hussein was interested in one thing only....staying in power

He knew it was not in his best interests to provide the west with a reason to attack again. Building WMDs was a losing strategy for him

The appearance he didn't have them was more of a problem in relation to Iran.

 

[edthecynic]

But just for a moment, let's hypothesize that you were a thinking human being who has the ability to judge the truth, no matter the source... a bit of a stretch, huh?

But just for a moment, let's hypothesize that you were not an arrogant CONdescending know-it-all who knows nothing and you suddenly have the ability to judge the truth, no matter the source... a bit of a stretch, huh?

My new friend, it is not Rumsfeld's 'view,' but rather whether he is telling the truth or President Obama is telling the truth.

The truth matters, doen't it, Alvin?

And since Secretary Rumsfeld has called for a Congressional investigation, it seems that the preponderance of hypothesizing should be in his favor, no?

The problem with that "logic" is the Rummy Dummy has not been truthful in the past and he has a habit of bluffing, so to experienced people, the preponderance of hypothesizing should NOT be in his favor, yes! Truth never matters to CON$ like the Rummy Dummy.

Trust not him that hath once broken faith; he who betrayed thee once, will betray thee again.
- Shakespeare.

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
– Donald Rumsfeld on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

"I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."
- Donald Rumsfeld in an interview on November 14, 2002

The wisdom of Shakespeare is proven once again and the Rummy Dummy's lie backed by only a bluff has been exposed.

Dec. 6: Clinton, Gates, McCain, roundtable - Meet the Press- msnbc.com

MR. GREGORY: The, the issue of what was inherited came up this week. The president very pointedly said, Secretary Gates, that reinforcements that were requested of the Bush administration on your watch were not provided, and that he provided them when he came into office. Is that true?

SEC'Y GATES: There was, there was, throughout my, my time as secretary of Defense under President Bush, an outstanding request from General McKiernan. And as Admiral Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified repeatedly, we just--because of the commitment of forces in Iraq, we did not have the, the ability to meet the resource needs in Afghanistan.

MR. GREGORY: So you don't have any problem with that statement?

SEC'Y GATES: I--no, there was an outstanding troop request, and on my watch.