Never let a tragedy go to waste.

[BallsBrunswick]

Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...

This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.

And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.

 

[Oddball]

For the most part, no, it won't.

I personally feel that one instance of prevention for something like this justifies trying. Of course if you're sure that's a complete impossibility, I'd have to ask how you know such a thing...

What part of protected right don't you grasp?

The part where dozens of 7 year olds are the cost of that unfettered right.

Did the gun itself commit that heinous act?

 

[Crackerjack]

The fucking NRA fights even "cooling off" periods.

The gun lobby will never be ready for a sensible conversation about this.

The "cooling off" period presumes that the gun purchaser won't again become "hot".

Anti-gun zealots will never be ready for a sensible conversation about this.

So what? Lets presume! If a cooling off period stops one hothead, that's good legislation.

What if that "cooling-off period" prevents one woman from buying a handgun that will save her life from her abusive spouse?

 

[rightwinger]

We need to have a national discussion about gun violence. Not a knee jerk reaction to take away everyones guns, but an honest discussion of what can reasonably and effectively be done

Even the most fervent gun owner must realize that this is not right. What can be done? Can we make guns safer and be used only by their legal owners? Can we single out those that are obviously mental cases and pull their rights to purchase? Can we cut down on your ability to quickly fire 100 rounds?

What can we reasonably do?

Is NOTHING our only answer?

 

[Oddball]

The "cooling off" period presumes that the gun purchaser won't again become "hot".

Anti-gun zealots will never be ready for a sensible conversation about this.

So what? Lets presume! If a cooling off period stops one hothead, that's good legislation.

What if that "cooling-off period" prevents one woman from buying a handgun that will save her life from her abusive spouse?

How'd that "cooling off" period work out for the Koreatown shopkeepers, during the '92 LA riots?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What part of protected right don't you grasp?

The part where dozens of 7 year olds are the cost of that unfettered right.

Did the gun itself commit that heinous act?

Nope and I never suggested that it did.

 

[bobcollum]

What part of protected right don't you grasp?

The part where dozens of 7 year olds are the cost of that unfettered right.

Did the gun itself commit that heinous act?

No, but I have to wonder if a stick would've caused so much damage, even if wielded by the same person.

I'm really not the biggest hawk for gun legislation, I just find these counter-arguments to be so ridiculous.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Calls for greater gun control after mass shooting at elementary school | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

Morons, more laws won't stop people bent on killing. Unless they plan to seal our borders and our coastline outlawing guns won't stop them from being available to crooks and killers.

By the way? In China a man murdered a bunch of elementary school children with a knife. One does not need a gun. And the ability to construct a huge bomb is pretty available as well.

Just so you know, I will never surrender my weapons.

As a long-time advocate of Second Amendment rights I can assure you there’ll be no effort to take your guns from you.

And I’ll oppose all efforts to enact any type of ban, or I’ll be among the first to file suit in Federal court should any such legislation come to pass.

These types of statements only serve to undermine our Second Amendment rights and reinforce the negative stereotype of those who defend those rights.

You are not ‘helping, ‘ please stop.

 

[Vast LWC]

Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...

This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.

And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.

I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.

I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.

I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.

Treat it like car ownership.

Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.

Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.

 

[Oddball]

The part where dozens of 7 year olds are the cost of that unfettered right.

Did the gun itself commit that heinous act?

No, but I have to wonder if a stick would've caused so much damage, even if wielded by the same person.

I'm really not the biggest hawk for gun legislation, I just find these counter-arguments to be so ridiculous.

How about a vest full of C-4?

 

[bobcollum]

The "cooling off" period presumes that the gun purchaser won't again become "hot".

Anti-gun zealots will never be ready for a sensible conversation about this.

So what? Lets presume! If a cooling off period stops one hothead, that's good legislation.

What if that "cooling-off period" prevents one woman from buying a handgun that will save her life from her abusive spouse?

I'm gonna disagree that shooting him dead is the only way out of that relationship.

 

[bobcollum]

Did the gun itself commit that heinous act?

No, but I have to wonder if a stick would've caused so much damage, even if wielded by the same person.

I'm really not the biggest hawk for gun legislation, I just find these counter-arguments to be so ridiculous.

How about a vest full of C-4?

Again with the C-4...when we see repeated stories of Americans killing each other with it, I'll get back to you.

 

[Crackerjack]

So what? Lets presume! If a cooling off period stops one hothead, that's good legislation.

What if that "cooling-off period" prevents one woman from buying a handgun that will save her life from her abusive spouse?

I'm gonna disagree that shooting him dead is the only way out of that relationship.

A woman living apart from her estranged spouse bent on stalking her wherever she goes? I don't see it leaving her many options.

 

[bobcollum]

What if that "cooling-off period" prevents one woman from buying a handgun that will save her life from her abusive spouse?

I'm gonna disagree that shooting him dead is the only way out of that relationship.

A woman living apart from her estranged spouse bent on stalking her wherever she goes? I don't see it leaving her many options.

There are instances, even if rare, when maybe that is the only solution, but generally speaking I'd guess that's not the case.

 

[Oddball]

No, but I have to wonder if a stick would've caused so much damage, even if wielded by the same person.

I'm really not the biggest hawk for gun legislation, I just find these counter-arguments to be so ridiculous.

How about a vest full of C-4?

Again with the C-4...when we see repeated stories of Americans killing each other with it, I'll get back to you.

Irrelevant to the overall point.....Blaming the inanimate object is a fool's errand.

 

[Crackerjack]

I'm gonna disagree that shooting him dead is the only way out of that relationship.

A woman living apart from her estranged spouse bent on stalking her wherever she goes? I don't see it leaving her many options.

There are instances, even if rare, when maybe that is the only solution, but generally speaking I'd guess that's not the case.

I agree, but I was rebutting the point that was made upthread that saving one life would make some law against firearms worthwhile. My point is that making laws with that sort of rationale in mind is silly.

 

[Ravi]

Calls for greater gun control after mass shooting at elementary school | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

Morons, more laws won't stop people bent on killing. Unless they plan to seal our borders and our coastline outlawing guns won't stop them from being available to crooks and killers.

By the way? In China a man murdered a bunch of elementary school children with a knife. One does not need a gun. And the ability to construct a huge bomb is pretty available as well.

Just so you know, I will never surrender my weapons.

In another thread you made the claim the countries with stricter gun laws than ours had more mass shootings. I asked you to link it but you ran away and started this thread instead.

How about proving your claim?

 

[chikenwing]

Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...

This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.

And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.

I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.

I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.

I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.

Treat it like car ownership.

Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.

Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.

Laws that make it Illegal for felons and mental cases are on the books already and have been for a long time. If you look back these perps where never on the radar so going to his house and taking any guns that might have been there is moot.


We show our children violence on a wholesale level, we have taught generations that personnel responsibility isn't really that important we discard millions every year through abortions,and kids pay attention to that,yet we wonder how something like this can happen and blame everyone but ourselves truly amazing and pathetic.

 

[bobcollum]

A woman living apart from her estranged spouse bent on stalking her wherever she goes? I don't see it leaving her many options.

There are instances, even if rare, when maybe that is the only solution, but generally speaking I'd guess that's not the case.

I agree, but I was rebutting the point that was made upthread that saving one life would make some law against firearms worthwhile. My point is that making laws with that sort of rationale in mind is silly.

I really don't think it's anymore silly than believing that 'killers are just gonna kill, so what's the point?'.

A firearm makes it easier to indulge in this psychotic impulse that some unfortunate people have. If you can make it harder to facilitate that, you do it, or at least attempt to, at least that's how I see it.

 

[rightwinger]

Beware because I'm about to sound like a Conservative lunatic...

This country was founded on the right to gun ownership with the belief that the citizenry should be armed not only to protect and use in their everyday lives but also as the last safeguard against a tyrannical government. There is no way that shall ever be infringed upon. What we saw today was the price for that freedom and unfortunately sometimes eggs get broken to make an omelette. Also, I think when everything comes out about this guy, I think it's going to be clear that access to guns for this loon wasn't the biggest factor in the shooting.

And we'll do what we always do when a shooting breaks out. We'll bitch and argue over the shooting and fight with each other about the possibility of new laws until it's no longer interesting or relevant anymore, then we'll move on to the next issue.

I don't think you sound like a conservative lunatic. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to own a gun.

I have 2 myself now, and enjoy the hell out of them.

I just think that we need to have some common sense about the whole issue.

Treat it like car ownership.

Blind people can't drive cars, drunk drivers get their licenses revoked.

Therefore insane people should be allowed to have guns, nor should criminals.

A common thread I see in these shootings is that those around him agree he is fucking nuts. His parents don't know what to do with him, his teachers identify him as troubled, employers and coworkers see him as unstable. And yet, until he is committed, he can go out and buy as many guns and as much ammo as he wants

There has to be a better way