Never again!

[okfine]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Yeah...I've got one sitting in the garage.
Not useful for removing a broken off bolt.
Unless of course your plan is to cut apart the manifold to remove the broken off bolt.
Seems rather counter productive but hey...you go right ahead.

Rookie.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

View attachment 349923
5 ******* hours because of 1 broken stud on the exhaust manifold that we grinded on forever then broke a half dozen drill bits trying to bore out.

Got it all together but gotta get a shop to bore out the one stud to get a bolt in it.

The difference in throttle response was kind of a shock.

what is the car and what is the engine?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

 

[okfine]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

I. Injection molding I would hear up the outside and try to shrink the broken stud

You'd actually be heating up the outside to make it bigger. You just have to time it right so the bolt doesnt expand with the part you're heating.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If you gave something to grab yeah.
But how often does that happen? 9 times out of 10 it breaks right at the surface.

Like I said, then drill a hole and use an extractor. Heating the area round the bolt will make it easier to remove. ...

Can make it easier to remove.
I've encountered many a bolt where that just didnt work.
To be honest I've tried every bolt extractor available and for the most part they're junk when it comes to rusted in bolts.
They work fine if you're removing an over torqued broken off bolt because once the tension is removed when the head snaps off they generally come right out. In fact I've used a left hand drill bit to remove them many times. The combination of heat from the drilling and the left hand bit will remove a lot of stuff.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

 

[okfine]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

Whatever, but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

So what do you do for a living other than working in a muffler shop Skippy?
Have you made parts for the NASA Shuttle program,have you made prototype parts for the F-22 Raptor?
Or maybe made artificial heart injection molds?

I could build the entire engine in your car from a solid piece of billet steel or aluminum.

Of course you cant....you're just hoping to get the Quickie Lube job for the extra buck and a quarter.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

Whatever, but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head.

It's old school, and need alot of talent to do a blow out.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

Whatever, but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head.

You need to clarify due to your poor English skills.

" but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head."

What exactly are you trying to say here?

 

[okfine]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

Whatever, but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head.

You need to clarify due to your poor English skills.

" but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head."

What exactly are you trying to say here?

30 year professional in auto repair and I know what to do. If you knew anything, well what more can I say but sorry you don't have a f'n clue.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This thread wasn't supposed to stir up trouble guys. I'm done working on it and will just let a mechanic fix it for me so while I appreciate the tips, I'm good.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

Whatever, but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head.

You need to clarify due to your poor English skills.

" but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head."

What exactly are you trying to say here?

30 year professional in auto repair and I know what to do. If you knew anything, well what more can I say but sorry you don't have a f'n clue.

I see you dont have an answer.
What you do is comparable to a roller skate repair shop.
Let me know when you make aerospace parts and fighter prototypes.
In other words....step away little man.

Hell,I've built many an engine to go in my offroad vehicles as a hobby.
So yeah...what you have as your lifes work is a hobby to me.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This thread wasn't supposed to stir up trouble guys. I'm done working on it and will just let a mechanic fix it for me so while I appreciate the tips, I'm good.

I know you didnt.
But I just cant stand when people offer up solutions when they have no idea what they're talking about.
All that does is lead to poor results and problems for those who might follow the advice.

 

[okfine]

This thread wasn't supposed to stir up trouble guys. I'm done working on it and will just let a mechanic fix it for me so while I appreciate the tips, I'm good.

I know you didnt.
But I just cant stand when people offer up solutions when they have no idea what they're talking about.
All that does is lead to poor results and problems for those who might follow the advice.

Now you call me a liar? You're a clueless SOB. You made some parts. Great. I fix them.

 

[Sunni Man]

In fact I've used a left hand drill bit to remove them many times. The combination of heat from the drilling and the left hand bit will remove a lot of stuff.

I worked as mechanical engineer in heavy industry for most of my adult life. I had a drill index box that held 20 left hand solid carbide drill bits, it cost around $500 dollars. Loved those bits because they drilled into broken bolts like butter, and many times the broken bolts would just back out because I was drilling in reverse. ...

 

[Moonglow]

View attachment 349923
5 ******* hours because of 1 broken stud on the exhaust manifold that we grinded on forever then broke a half dozen drill bits trying to bore out.

Got it all together but gotta get a shop to bore out the one stud to get a bolt in it.

The difference in throttle response was kind of a shock.

Life can suck at times but usually doesn't

 

[Sunni Man]

There very best penetrating oil I've ever used to free stuck bolts and metal parts rusted together is Kroil oil by a company called Kano.
You have to look it up and order a can of it. Far as I know it's not sold in retail stores. (Amazon sells it)
I've had large rusted stuck bolts that I couldn't budge even with a cheater pipe. Sprayed it down with Kroil oil and let it soak for about 20 minutes. Bolts came loose with out using a cheater pipe, just used a wrench.
Order a can...you won't be disappointed. ...

 

[okfine]

Use a torch like real muff men do.

WTF does a torch do for you if your dealing with a broken off bolt?

Ever hear of a cutting torch? Guess you haven't.

Again though.
What is a cutting torch going to do for you?
It's designed to cut metal so how does that help?
You dont want to cut off whats remaining of the bolt if you're lucky enough to have anything left sticking out and if for some insane reason you wanted to you damn sure wouldnt use a cutting torch.
Like Sunni said,if you have something hanging out the last thing you wanna do is cut it off.
Now if you have a little to work with you weld a nut or bolt to it and the heat from the welding is plenty to loosen things up.

I've removed thousands of broken taps,drills and bolts from parts over my 30 years as a machinist.

In a lot of cases an EDM is required if the part is expensive and the drill,bolt or tap is really hard because a drill will walk off the hard material and track to the softer material.
You can use an end mill to flatten the broken off part to help with drill walking but that goes out the window when talking about carbide drills and taps or Grade 8 bolts.

Dont try and school me on anything related to metal work.
I'm sure to embarass you.

Ever work in a muffler shop? Guess not.

God no!!!
You'd have to be some kind of miscreant to work in one.

Whatever, but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head.

You need to clarify due to your poor English skills.

" but you would know how to burn out a busted stud. Way over your head."

What exactly are you trying to say here?

30 year professional in auto repair and I know what to do. If you knew anything, well what more can I say but sorry you don't have a f'n clue.

I see you dont have an answer.
What you do is comparable to a roller skate repair shop.
Let me know when you make aerospace parts and fighter prototypes.
In other words....step away little man.

Hell,I've built many an engine to go in my offroad vehicles as a hobby.
So yeah...what you have as your lifes work is a hobby to me.

Again, you think you know it all. I have vast experience and have been around. Years ago when in my early 20's I worked in a muffler shop. Learned a lot from a guy who ended up with Borla designing exhaust systems. In the 80's I worked for the Navy at USN CBC Port Hueneme. It's a rebuild depot for the Pacific Fleet. I worked in the engine room rebuilding both gas and diesel power plants. I also went to Reagan's ranch in Santa Ynez and fixed his Jeep. Shall I give you more Mr. Clueless?