Netanyahu sets implementation of Trump’s Gaza relocation plan as new condition for ending war

[toomuchtime_]

I never cease to be amazed at the grotesque hypocrisy and blatant bigotry exhibited by intellectual challenged apologists for raw Zionist genocide.

The same people who whine relentlessly about their sacred Holocaust and racist hatred trot out the absolute dumbest and most transparently bigoted attempts to rationalize internationally condemned Zionist genocide and unrivaled sadism imaginable.

The flimsy "logic" behind Netanyahu's systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents and eviction of Nakba survivors seems to be that only the self "Chosen People" / "Master Race" may come from far away to murder any existing population, torture the survivors and steal all land they claim as their ever expanding "Homeland".

ONLY foreign Jews deserve America's $ Trillions and American guaranteed "self determination".

ONLY foreign Jews deserve America's blood and welfare for their "Greater Israel" Lebensraum.

The obscene irony behind this offensive sense of ethnic superiority and endless entitlement is the selective reverance for anything related to the sacred Holocaust cult from which everyone else is supposed to have learned the so called "lessons of the Holocaust".

Finally, while Nakba survivors continue to starve and dodge bombs in squalid rubble, Holocaust survivors enjoy countless $ Billions in eternal reparations and global celebrity status.

The blatant bigotry, ignorance and hypocrisy of today's genocidal Zionist shills is as offensive as it is unrivaled and no amount of lies, evasions and puerile name calling justifies blatant Zionist genocide.

As soon as you use the word, genocide, to describe what is happening in Gaza, knowing full well that the legal definition of genocide, as defined in the Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, does not apply to what is happening in Gaza, one can be assured that whatever follows is just more bigoted nonsense.

 

[80zephyr]

I don’t think that what constitutes “obligations” under international law existed then. It was WW2 that led to the development of the Geneva Conventions.

But your question is deceptive. It isn’t about having an obligation to feed them, it is about setting a siege and preventing them from accessing food.

We did that with Japan in WWII.

 

[Shusha]

Your last sentence is what makes it hard to entertain a discussion.

Well, let's go back a step then. What is the political status of the territory now (or prior to the October War) and what citizenship is held by those who would emigrate? Are they already stateless? Are they Palestinian? Or, having split from the PA, could they already be considered citizens of a State of Gaza?

 

[80zephyr]

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank.

www.gov.uk

That is the entire statement.

Calling for a Palestinian state is not “appeasing” anyone, that is a loaded word. It is one possible solution and possibly the best long term solution if done carefully.

While it started as such, I do not believe this war can legitimately be considered a “just defensive war” any more.

Yes, the idea of a Palestinian state has been proposed and discussed multiple times throughout history, but a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state has not yet been established
.

Here's a breakdown of key instances where a Palestinian state was proposed:
1. The 1947 UN Partition Plan:

• The United Nations proposed dividing the British Mandate of Palestine into two states: one Jewish and one Arab, with Jerusalem under international control.
• The Jewish leadership accepted the plan, while the Arab leadership rejected it, leading to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

2. Later Proposals and Negotiations:

• Throughout the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, various peace plans and negotiations have included the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.
• Notable examples include the Oslo Accords in the 1990s and subsequent negotiations like the Camp David Summit in 2000

 

[80zephyr]

What did it say about sieges and using starvation as a weapon of war?

If I understand it, Japan was not actually under siege but a naval blockade designed to restrict its access to oil and other materials needed for its war effort, not food and water. Is that correct?

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Yes, Japan was subject to a naval blockade during World War II, which significantly impacted their food and water supply, particularly in the latter stages of the war. The blockade, implemented by the US, aimed to cripple the Japanese war machine by cutting off vital supplies and resources

 

[80zephyr]

I never cease to be amazed at the grotesque hypocrisy and blatant bigotry exhibited by intellectual challenged apologists for raw Zionist genocide.

The same people who whine relentlessly about their sacred Holocaust and racist hatred trot out the absolute dumbest and most transparently bigoted attempts to rationalize internationally condemned Zionist genocide and unrivaled sadism imaginable.

The flimsy "logic" behind Netanyahu's systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents and eviction of Nakba survivors seems to be that only the self "Chosen People" / "Master Race" may come from far away to murder any existing population, torture the survivors and steal all land they claim as their ever expanding "Homeland".

ONLY foreign Jews deserve America's $ Trillions and American guaranteed "self determination".

ONLY foreign Jews deserve America's blood and welfare for their "Greater Israel" Lebensraum.

The obscene irony behind this offensive sense of ethnic superiority and endless entitlement is the selective reverance for anything related to the sacred Holocaust cult from which everyone else is supposed to have learned the so called "lessons of the Holocaust".

Finally, while Nakba survivors continue to starve and dodge bombs in squalid rubble, Holocaust survivors enjoy countless $ Billions in eternal reparations and global celebrity status.

The blatant bigotry, ignorance and hypocrisy of today's genocidal Zionist shills is as offensive as it is unrivaled and no amount of lies, evasions and puerile name calling justifies blatant Zionist genocide.

When the Jews come out and say only the eradication of the Arabs is the answer, let us know, OK?

 

[Coyote]

Well, let's go back a step then. What is the political status of the territory now (or prior to the October War) and what citizenship is held by those who would emigrate? Are they already stateless? Are they Palestinian? Or, having split from the PA, could they already be considered citizens of a State of Gaza?

That is hard to determine. Gaza has repeatedly been referred to as a state in arguments regarding its behavior and whether Palestinians “deserve” a state. Yet..it has never had the actual attributes of a state, it’s citizens are under Palestine as a nationality and the Palestinians consider Gaza as one unit with the rest of Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

That is hard to determine. Gaza has repeatedly been referred to as a state in arguments regarding its behavior and whether Palestinians “deserve” a state. Yet..it has never had the actual attributes of a state, it’s citizens are under Palestine as a nationality and the Palestinians consider Gaza as one unit with the rest of Palestine.

I think the strongest case to be made is for Palestinian citizenship, especially considering that statelessness is typically something law tries to avoid, and that they already carry Palestinian documentation. But I'm open to alternate legal arguments. (Anybody seen RoccoR lately?)

So they emigrate as citizens of Palestine. Gaza may or may not end up being part of Palestine in the future. If Gaza ends up being not part of Palestine, the new government will decide whether or not to grant citizenship to emigrants wishing to return.

 

[Coyote]

I think the strongest case to be made is for Palestinian citizenship, especially considering that statelessness is typically something law tries to avoid, and that they already carry Palestinian documentation. But I'm open to alternate legal arguments. (Anybody seen RoccoR lately?)

So they emigrate as citizens of Palestine. Gaza may or may not end up being part of Palestine in the future. If Gaza ends up being not part of Palestine, the new government will decide whether or not to grant citizenship to emigrants wishing to return.

So if they immigrate as citizens of Palestine…what happens if Israel annexes the West Bank and there is no Palestine? This seems fundamentally wrong on a moral level.

 

[Concerned American]

It is not clear that states will refuse them visas if they apply as individuals. Trump's plan is to assist those who want to leave and recent studies have shown half or more of the Gazans would leave now if they had somewhere to go. The Arab nations and some others have said the would not support forced transfers of population but they have not said they would reject individual applications for visas, which is what the US and Israel are trying to organize.

Send them to South Africa.

 

[Shusha]

So if they immigrate as citizens of Palestine…what happens if Israel annexes the West Bank and there is no Palestine? This seems fundamentally wrong on a moral level.

If Israel re-assets sovereignty (it would not be annexation) over Judea and Samaria, it would have to apply a nationality law. If we agree that people should not be made stateless, anyone with Palestinian citizenship and no other citizenship would become Israeli citizens.

 

[Coyote]

If Israel re-assets sovereignty (it would not be annexation) over Judea and Samaria, it would have to apply a nationality law. If we agree that people should not be made stateless, anyone with Palestinian citizenship and no other citizenship would become Israeli citizens.

That would seem reasonable.

 

[Coyote]

Right of Return is always off the table , always has been …

Why?

(Note, I’m not referring to the old argument, but only this specific one).

 

[Coyote]

Coyote

Also, hey! nice to see you.

You’re the best Shusha

 

[Failzero]

Why?

(Note, I’m not referring to the old argument, but only this specific one).

Because every Palestinian within 2500km of Israel would show up at a Frontier or Border Checkpoint with an old key on a String around their necks and claim it was the Key to their Grandfathers Home in Jerusalem or Haifa