Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[Coyote]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

The OP and other articles linked here were not "islamic", and it quoted quoted well established Holocaust historians, including Israeli historians.

So because Benny Morris writes a book it is accurate is it, even when first hand accounts say he is lying. The tone of the post shows that the poster is not able to act in an unbiased manner and will resort to any lengths to demonise the Jews. Which is why I asked him to provide the evidence.

VERY few here are unable to act in an unbiased manner...and will resort to any length's to demonize either Jews or Palestinians. IP is not an arena conducive to rational discourse over passion...just saying...

 

[Coyote]

Where do you think Hitler got his ideas from if not from islam. It is basic divide and conquer tactics used by mo'mad all the time. Take Medina where he knew he could not hope to win against all the Jews so he went after them a tribe at a time. This meant he outnumbered them and could easily defeat them if it came to a war. What was it Hitler called his tactics again ?

Those ideas are not uniquely Islamic - they are standard doctrine for warfare. There is no historical evidence supporting the claim that Hitler got his ideas from Islam.

Apart from the beliefs of people who where there and knew Hitler and his generals. They said it was probable and who are we to say they don't know what they are talking about. Because you don't want to believe that the Palestinians were involved in the holocaust does not mean they weren't.

Please, show me an unbiased historical record supporting this claim.

 

[Phoenall]

Good piece somes it up well. The mufti and Hitler had the same goal extermination, of the Jewish people

“If a man was a Jew, it was good enough for him to be killed or stamped out,” wrote a senior British official serving abroad to his superiors in London in 1929.

From where was this gentleman—Major Alan Saunders—writing his dispatch? From Munich or Berlin or any of the other German cities where Hitler’s Nazi Party was gaining supporters and street thugs? In fact, no. Major Saunders was the head of the British Police in Palestine during the mandate period, and his statement concerned the massacre by Arabs, in August 1929, of 69 Jews in Hebron, a city where their community had been a consistent presence for at least two millennia.

The first is that while Hitler unarguably remains the most powerful and devastating anti-Semite to ever hold state power, he was far from the only one at that time to approach the “Jewish question” in exterminationist terms. As Major Saunders related from faraway Palestine, about an episode that presaged the Nazi atrocities that were to follow in Germany and then in occupied Europe and North Africa, the same hatred of Jews simply for being Jews was in painful evidence there. For there were thousands, even millions, of ordinary people in Europe and the Middle East who regarded the Jews as a social and religious poison and wanted them—all of them—dead. In that sense, the Fuhrer was their representative and their master.

And yet, when they spoke about the war, their anger really flowed when they remembered the locals who had assisted the Germans. Like Netanyahu now, what they found hardest to stomach was the spectacle of those non-Jews who lived alongside them collaborating with the Nazi extermination program.

In the pantheon of Nazi collaborators, Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini is right up there with Pavelic in Croatia, Petain in France, Horthy in Hungary, and all the other quislings—their name comes from the collaborationist leader in Norway, Vidkun Quisling—who implemented Hitler’s will. It was, ironically, the British authorities who appointed him to his position in 1921. During the 1929 massacre in Hebron, as during the openly anti-Semitic 1936-39 Arab revolt in Palestine, al-Husseini proved himself a confirmed Jew-hater and the natural ally of Hitler in the Arab and Muslim worlds.

It wasn’t until November 1941 that the Mufti met Hitler in person. Significantly, in the view of many historians, that encounter in Berlin took place two months before the Wannsee conference, where leading Nazis led by Hitler’s security chief, Reinhard Heydrich, plotted the implementation of the “Final Solution”—the extermination of the Jews.

In the official German record of their discussions (not an exact transcript, but a summary of what was said), it was clear that both Hitler and the Mufti were already in agreement that the Holocaust had to be visited upon the Jews. For his part, the Mufti expressed his appreciation of Germany’s commitment to the “elimination of the Jewish national home,” while Hitler restated his “active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests.”

During the 1930s, both Germany and Palestine were the sites of mob violence, boycotts, and discriminatory laws and regulations against Jews. The Nazi consolidation of power in the 1930s was what enabled them to launch their campaign of war and genocide at the end of that decade.

Had Palestine been conquered by the Germans from the British, there is no doubt that the Mufti would have been installed as the local quisling, and that the entire Jewish population would have been shipped to concentration and death camps in Europe—assuming that the Germans and their Arab militias didn’t build similar camps in the vicinity, of course. That was the mutual vision expressed in Berlin in 1941, the distinctly Arab contribution to the achievement of the “Thousand Year Reich.”

As the German historian Matthias Kuentzel has noted, the 700,000 Jews in the Middle East were in Hitler’s sights when he received the Mufti.

The Mufti and the Holocaust, Revisited

No one is saying they had the same goal - no one is saying the Mufti wasn't a Nazi or an anti-semite. But that's a far cry from placing him above Hitler as the architect of the final solution.

But he was not paced above Hitler was he, he was placed at Hitlers side as an equal in the holocaust and what happened to ALL the "untermensch"

Yes he was placed above Hitler - he was designated as the architect of the final solution, specifically, it was claimed that before he met the Mufti, Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews. That is not supported by evidence. The Mufti wasn't even close to Hitler as an "equal" - he was one of a number of avid Nazi's and collaborators who were minor figures.

No he was placed on an equal footing as an architect of the mass murder of the "untermensch". He spen many years in Germany with a price over his head, yet at wars end he was not arrested and thrown into prison. Do you think he had a story to tell that painted the allies blacker than black ?. Why place him inside a UN refugee camp for one person and place armed guards all the way round. There is a lot from WW2 that we don't know about as it is still highly secret and will never be divulged. He visited the worst camps and enlisted muslims to fight for Hitler so hardly a minor figure, he was on a par with Mussolini

 

[Phoenall]

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

Historical record or arab historical record?

Exactly ! ! ! ! !

 

[aris2chat]

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

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At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

And they were treated the same in Christian lands...I don't think that history is a good argument for claiming that modern Palestinians are like Hitler or want to kill all Jews in the world. Until recently the vast majority SUPPORTED a two-state solution with both sides co-existing. What changed that support? The realization that, with increased settlement expansions, that Israel the current Israeli PM had no intent of making that a reality ever.

They steal the jewish god and jewish stories and then hate the jews.
We all know the jews had it hard in most of Europe. In a few areas they thrived. In Prussia they were invited to settle in relative peace.
Jewish life in the middle east, muslim world, was problematic and subject to the local rulers and events.
There were famous jews honored in both worlds, but the vast majority lived with a suitcase at the door.

 

[fanger]

Thanks for the response Aris, even though we disagree I do respect your opinions. I like this editorial, it makes sense to me. I think Netanyahu is making a point and that point is he is going to align all Palestinians (and potentially all Arabs) with the Nazi's. In doing so, is he accurate? No, I don't think so. What he is doing is creating a very dangerous dichotomy that is certainly not conducive to peace. He has his agenda and I do think it is a bigoted anti-Arab agenda - his statements prior to his election victory give one pause: that there will NEVER be two states, and stoking the flames of Jewish fear of Arab Israeli votes. That is dangerously divisive, as is this speech.

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

>>
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

Rabbi Abraham ibn Daud describes Joseph in highly laudatory terms, saying that he lacked none of his father's good qualities, except that he was not quite as humble, having been brought up in luxury.[8]

The 1906 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia states that "Arabic chroniclers relate that he believed neither in the faith of his fathers nor in any other faith. It may also be doubted that he openly declared the principles of Islam to be absurd.[9] Arabic poets also praised his liberality.[10]

The Jewish Encyclopedia also reports that Joseph "controlled" the King and "surrounded him with spies."."[11]

He was also accused of several acts of violence, which drew upon him the hatred of the Berbers, who were the ruling majority at Granada.
1066 Granada massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And there you have it, another upperty Jew

 

[fanger]

Thanks for the response Aris, even though we disagree I do respect your opinions. I like this editorial, it makes sense to me. I think Netanyahu is making a point and that point is he is going to align all Palestinians (and potentially all Arabs) with the Nazi's. In doing so, is he accurate? No, I don't think so. What he is doing is creating a very dangerous dichotomy that is certainly not conducive to peace. He has his agenda and I do think it is a bigoted anti-Arab agenda - his statements prior to his election victory give one pause: that there will NEVER be two states, and stoking the flames of Jewish fear of Arab Israeli votes. That is dangerously divisive, as is this speech.

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

>>
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

If you are going to copy/paste, at least post the link otherwise you might be accused of plagiarism
Myths & Facts: Treatment of Jews in the Arab World (Chapter 11) | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[aris2chat]

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

>>
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

Rabbi Abraham ibn Daud describes Joseph in highly laudatory terms, saying that he lacked none of his father's good qualities, except that he was not quite as humble, having been brought up in luxury.[8]

The 1906 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia states that "Arabic chroniclers relate that he believed neither in the faith of his fathers nor in any other faith. It may also be doubted that he openly declared the principles of Islam to be absurd.[9] Arabic poets also praised his liberality.[10]

The Jewish Encyclopedia also reports that Joseph "controlled" the King and "surrounded him with spies."."[11]

He was also accused of several acts of violence, which drew upon him the hatred of the Berbers, who were the ruling majority at Granada.
1066 Granada massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And there you have it, another upperty Jew

You mean he did not grovel on the floor before all muslims for his very breath every moment of everyday? Don't like one person so you wipe out a whole community, or two or more?
What weapons did the jews have except their minds? What army? What fortifications? Muslims had horses and jews had to walk beside a donkey in the gutter

 

[fanger]

He was also accused of several acts of violence, and thought he was above the law

 

[fanger]

“Do not consider it a breach of faith to kill them, the breach of faith would be to let them carry on. They have violated our covenant with them, so how can you be held guilty against the violators? How can they have any pact when we are obscure and they are prominent?” — Abu Ishaq, poem, 1066
December 30: The Granada Massacre

 

[Phoenall]

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

No not islamonazi propaganda that had no basis in reality, but overheard conversations. Objects found that were not "normal", a copy of the koran in German, a small mat that looked out of place and that sort of thing. They were written down and then the books went out of favour as other more ludicrous theories were bandied around

 

[Coyote]

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

>>
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

And they were treated the same in Christian lands...I don't think that history is a good argument for claiming that modern Palestinians are like Hitler or want to kill all Jews in the world. Until recently the vast majority SUPPORTED a two-state solution with both sides co-existing. What changed that support? The realization that, with increased settlement expansions, that Israel the current Israeli PM had no intent of making that a reality ever.

They steal the jewish god and jewish stories and then hate the jews.
We all know the jews had it hard in most of Europe. In a few areas they thrived. In Prussia they were invited to settle in relative peace.
Jewish life in the middle east, muslim world, was problematic and subject to the local rulers and events.
There were famous jews honored in both worlds, but the vast majority lived with a suitcase at the door.

They don't steal anything. All religions are built upon older faiths, and borrow myths and stories from each other.

The conflict is not simply a one-sided Angelic and Blameless Israel vs the Evil and Demonic Muslims.

Jewish life in Europe was also very problematic and subject to local rulers, pograms etc. Relatively speaking - they flourished under the Ottoman's, compared to surrounding regions - and it's a pity that those who so hate Muslims can't at least recognize that: History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Was it perfect? No. They were always subject to the whims of autocratic rulers. But they did better than many other areas, particularly Christian Europe, even Prussia: Prussia Virtual Jewish History Tour | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Coyote]

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

No not islamonazi propaganda that had no basis in reality, but overheard conversations. Objects found that were not "normal", a copy of the koran in German, a small mat that looked out of place and that sort of thing. They were written down and then the books went out of favour as other more ludicrous theories were bandied around

Provide a historical source then.

 

[Phoenall]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

Simples if the accounts match the general history books contain then they must be true. If the facts stand up then you will have won, if they fall down because they are unsupported then you have lost.

But going by the tone of your post you know you have lost already

 

[Phoenall]

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

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At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

And they were treated the same in Christian lands...I don't think that history is a good argument for claiming that modern Palestinians are like Hitler or want to kill all Jews in the world. Until recently the vast majority SUPPORTED a two-state solution with both sides co-existing. What changed that support? The realization that, with increased settlement expansions, that Israel the current Israeli PM had no intent of making that a reality ever.

If that was the case then why did they elect two different groups that had it as their basic manifesto that they would fight to the last Palestinian before giving up one inch of Palestinian land. That was from north to south from the river to the sea, and was the Palestinians mantra since 1988. What you are spouting is islamonazi propaganda that has no roots in the truth. Again how can Israel actually stop the Palestinians from declaring a state and their intentions to negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours, at the most all they can do is refuse to meet the Palestinian representatives and be left with egg on their face.

 

[Phoenall]

He was also accused of several acts of violence, and thought he was above the law

Who? the Mufti..............

 

[Coyote]

History is interesting, particularly in these extremely fractured times where religious intolerance and a willingness to believe in conspiracy theories or poorly documented "history" seems to abound (like Hitler converting to Islam, or the Mufti being Hitler's mentor). This article is a bit surprising, and describes a fascinating history - worth the read.


So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?

 

[Coyote]

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

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At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

And they were treated the same in Christian lands...I don't think that history is a good argument for claiming that modern Palestinians are like Hitler or want to kill all Jews in the world. Until recently the vast majority SUPPORTED a two-state solution with both sides co-existing. What changed that support? The realization that, with increased settlement expansions, that Israel the current Israeli PM had no intent of making that a reality ever.

If that was the case then why did they elect two different groups that had it as their basic manifesto that they would fight to the last Palestinian before giving up one inch of Palestinian land. That was from north to south from the river to the sea, and was the Palestinians mantra since 1988.

Look at Palestinian public opinion polls.

What you are spouting is islamonazi propaganda that has no roots in the truth. Again how can Israel actually stop the Palestinians from declaring a state and their intentions to negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours, at the most all they can do is refuse to meet the Palestinian representatives and be left with egg on their face.

Everytime someone points out where you're wrong you claim it's "islamonazi propoganda" (you have yet to show a historical source showing Hitler converted to Islam or that Islam informed Hitlers policies).

Israel can easily prevent the Palestinians from having a state by maintaining a permanent state of invasive occupation.

 

[Phoenall]

Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

No not islamonazi propaganda that had no basis in reality, but overheard conversations. Objects found that were not "normal", a copy of the koran in German, a small mat that looked out of place and that sort of thing. They were written down and then the books went out of favour as other more ludicrous theories were bandied around

Provide a historical source then.

I cant other than my recollections of what I read 40 to 50 years ago, now the books are out of print and as rare as hens teeth. In fact even rarer than a Jewish Deli in Mecca serving hot pulled pork to the faithful.

But try this



Islam Watch - "Why Muslims Love Hitler, Not Mozart" by Fjordman


As one Muslim living in Germany said, “Jews are the enemy of Allah.” Referring to Adolf Hitler he stated: “The man was a hero, almost a Muslim. I'm one of his fans.”

In 2005, Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf was among the top bestsellers in Turkey, behind a book about a Turkish national hero detonating a nuclear bomb in Washington D.C. Adolf Hitler remains widely popular in many other Islamic countries, too. At the same time, Turkish PM Erdogan stressed that Islamophobia must be treated as “a crime against humanity.” It is banned by law to discuss the Armenian genocide in Turkey, a genocide that allegedly inspired the Nazis in their Holocaust against Jews. Would a country the size of Germany, with a history of a thousand years of continuous warfare against its neighbors and where Adolf Hitler is a bestselling author, be hailed as a moderate, Christian country?


FrontPage Magazine - Tolkien, Hitler, and Nordic Heroism

While Adolf Hitler was careful at first to conceal his neo-pagan agenda, his followers were not: Heinrich Himmler created the SS explicitly as a pagan parody of the Society of Jesus, conducted extensive research attempting to rehabilitate medieval witchcraft, and held torchlit liturgies to Odin and other Norse gods. Hitler’s ideologist, Alfred Rosenberg, issued tracts denouncing the Gospels. Josef Goebbels aspired to wipe out "after the last Jew, the last priest." Hitler’s ally, General Erich Ludendorff, called for the abolition of Christianity in Germany. By 1936, Hitler was suppressing Catholic trade unions, movements and schools, and forming amongst Protestants a militaristic "German Christian" church that would sanction the regime’s savage anti-Semitism. Hitler opined to Albert Speer that he wished Germany had been converted to Islam instead of Christianity, the better to suit it to ruthless warfare.

 

[Coyote]

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

No not islamonazi propaganda that had no basis in reality, but overheard conversations. Objects found that were not "normal", a copy of the koran in German, a small mat that looked out of place and that sort of thing. They were written down and then the books went out of favour as other more ludicrous theories were bandied around

Provide a historical source then.

I cant other than my recollections of what I read 40 to 50 years ago, now the books are out of print and as rare as hens teeth. In fact even rarer than a Jewish Deli in Mecca serving hot pulled pork to the faithful.

How convenient....

But try this



Islam Watch - "Why Muslims Love Hitler, Not Mozart" by Fjordman


As one Muslim living in Germany said, “Jews are the enemy of Allah.” Referring to Adolf Hitler he stated: “The man was a hero, almost a Muslim. I'm one of his fans.”

In 2005, Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf was among the top bestsellers in Turkey, behind a book about a Turkish national hero detonating a nuclear bomb in Washington D.C. Adolf Hitler remains widely popular in many other Islamic countries, too. At the same time, Turkish PM Erdogan stressed that Islamophobia must be treated as “a crime against humanity.” It is banned by law to discuss the Armenian genocide in Turkey, a genocide that allegedly inspired the Nazis in their Holocaust against Jews. Would a country the size of Germany, with a history of a thousand years of continuous warfare against its neighbors and where Adolf Hitler is a bestselling author, be hailed as a moderate, Christian country?


FrontPage Magazine - Tolkien, Hitler, and Nordic Heroism

While Adolf Hitler was careful at first to conceal his neo-pagan agenda, his followers were not: Heinrich Himmler created the SS explicitly as a pagan parody of the Society of Jesus, conducted extensive research attempting to rehabilitate medieval witchcraft, and held torchlit liturgies to Odin and other Norse gods. Hitler’s ideologist, Alfred Rosenberg, issued tracts denouncing the Gospels. Josef Goebbels aspired to wipe out "after the last Jew, the last priest." Hitler’s ally, General Erich Ludendorff, called for the abolition of Christianity in Germany. By 1936, Hitler was suppressing Catholic trade unions, movements and schools, and forming amongst Protestants a militaristic "German Christian" church that would sanction the regime’s savage anti-Semitism. Hitler opined to Albert Speer that he wished Germany had been converted to Islam instead of Christianity, the better to suit it to ruthless warfare.

Islamwatch? FrontPage? How about a non-biased source?

" Hitler opined to Albert Speer that he wished Germany had been converted to Islam instead of Christianity, the better to suit it to ruthless warfare" - that's historically verified, but what is this supposed to support?