Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[Phoenall]

Good piece somes it up well. The mufti and Hitler had the same goal extermination, of the Jewish people

“If a man was a Jew, it was good enough for him to be killed or stamped out,” wrote a senior British official serving abroad to his superiors in London in 1929.

From where was this gentleman—Major Alan Saunders—writing his dispatch? From Munich or Berlin or any of the other German cities where Hitler’s Nazi Party was gaining supporters and street thugs? In fact, no. Major Saunders was the head of the British Police in Palestine during the mandate period, and his statement concerned the massacre by Arabs, in August 1929, of 69 Jews in Hebron, a city where their community had been a consistent presence for at least two millennia.

The first is that while Hitler unarguably remains the most powerful and devastating anti-Semite to ever hold state power, he was far from the only one at that time to approach the “Jewish question” in exterminationist terms. As Major Saunders related from faraway Palestine, about an episode that presaged the Nazi atrocities that were to follow in Germany and then in occupied Europe and North Africa, the same hatred of Jews simply for being Jews was in painful evidence there. For there were thousands, even millions, of ordinary people in Europe and the Middle East who regarded the Jews as a social and religious poison and wanted them—all of them—dead. In that sense, the Fuhrer was their representative and their master.

And yet, when they spoke about the war, their anger really flowed when they remembered the locals who had assisted the Germans. Like Netanyahu now, what they found hardest to stomach was the spectacle of those non-Jews who lived alongside them collaborating with the Nazi extermination program.

In the pantheon of Nazi collaborators, Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini is right up there with Pavelic in Croatia, Petain in France, Horthy in Hungary, and all the other quislings—their name comes from the collaborationist leader in Norway, Vidkun Quisling—who implemented Hitler’s will. It was, ironically, the British authorities who appointed him to his position in 1921. During the 1929 massacre in Hebron, as during the openly anti-Semitic 1936-39 Arab revolt in Palestine, al-Husseini proved himself a confirmed Jew-hater and the natural ally of Hitler in the Arab and Muslim worlds.

It wasn’t until November 1941 that the Mufti met Hitler in person. Significantly, in the view of many historians, that encounter in Berlin took place two months before the Wannsee conference, where leading Nazis led by Hitler’s security chief, Reinhard Heydrich, plotted the implementation of the “Final Solution”—the extermination of the Jews.

In the official German record of their discussions (not an exact transcript, but a summary of what was said), it was clear that both Hitler and the Mufti were already in agreement that the Holocaust had to be visited upon the Jews. For his part, the Mufti expressed his appreciation of Germany’s commitment to the “elimination of the Jewish national home,” while Hitler restated his “active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests.”

During the 1930s, both Germany and Palestine were the sites of mob violence, boycotts, and discriminatory laws and regulations against Jews. The Nazi consolidation of power in the 1930s was what enabled them to launch their campaign of war and genocide at the end of that decade.

Had Palestine been conquered by the Germans from the British, there is no doubt that the Mufti would have been installed as the local quisling, and that the entire Jewish population would have been shipped to concentration and death camps in Europe—assuming that the Germans and their Arab militias didn’t build similar camps in the vicinity, of course. That was the mutual vision expressed in Berlin in 1941, the distinctly Arab contribution to the achievement of the “Thousand Year Reich.”

As the German historian Matthias Kuentzel has noted, the 700,000 Jews in the Middle East were in Hitler’s sights when he received the Mufti.

The Mufti and the Holocaust, Revisited

No one is saying they had the same goal - no one is saying the Mufti wasn't a Nazi or an anti-semite. But that's a far cry from placing him above Hitler as the architect of the final solution.

But he was not paced above Hitler was he, he was placed at Hitlers side as an equal in the holocaust and what happened to ALL the "untermensch"

 

[Phoenall]

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

 

[Phoenall]

Aris - what do you think of the analysis in the article from 972 Magizine?

Konrad writes for haaretz

and you think he is unbias? Same thing just repeated.

did you watch the Al-Jazeera piece?

al-Husseini is perhaps an issue I am too close to and it seems one we will not agree on. At this point nothing will change my personal or professional opinion of him or his nephew. All the white wash and ribbons can't separate them or the legacy we have to deal with. Maybe it's the eyes, the voice or just the horror I've seen in them. I wish I had the original text of the mufti's book with me. Right now I could probably sell just the cove page on Ebay, or the satisfaction of watching it burn.
He used his association with Hitler and how he was depended on every chance he got. He would probably be the one agreeing the loudest with Netanyahu not disagreeing.

Thanks for the response Aris, even though we disagree I do respect your opinions. I like this editorial, it makes sense to me. I think Netanyahu is making a point and that point is he is going to align all Palestinians (and potentially all Arabs) with the Nazi's. In doing so, is he accurate? No, I don't think so. What he is doing is creating a very dangerous dichotomy that is certainly not conducive to peace. He has his agenda and I do think it is a bigoted anti-Arab agenda - his statements prior to his election victory give one pause: that there will NEVER be two states, and stoking the flames of Jewish fear of Arab Israeli votes. That is dangerously divisive, as is this speech.

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

And that is all you have just those two incidents, compared to the thousands of incidents committed by the muslims.

The koran which is the book of commands for all muslims tells them to KILL THE JEWS. How much more direct could it be.
I have not found any Palestinian calls for a two state solution unless it also included the right to wipe out the Jews and make it all one islamonazi state. When they talk of two states they mean Palestine and Jordan

So the fact that the Palestinians declared a state and Israel did nothing to stop them is not progress. The fact that the Palestinians just refuse to take the next step is not Israel's fault. The fault lies with the UN and the west giving them money to bail themselves out all the time.

They have tried many times and failed, and Israel comes out richer and better able to fight the next time. If Israel wanted they could wipe out the Palestinians or have them running for the hills and take over the whole of the west bank.


Where do you think Hitler got his ideas from if not from islam. It is basic divide and conquer tactics used by mo'mad all the time. Take Medina where he knew he could not hope to win against all the Jews so he went after them a tribe at a time. This meant he outnumbered them and could easily defeat them if it came to a war. What was it Hitler called his tactics again ?

 

[Phoenall]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

 

[Phoenall]

Not quite as he held the title according to the muslims until 1948, want proof



Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni from 1921 to 1937, dismissed by the British,[8] but kept the title in the Arab world until 1948

 

[Coyote]

Aris - what do you think of the analysis in the article from 972 Magizine?

Konrad writes for haaretz

and you think he is unbias? Same thing just repeated.

did you watch the Al-Jazeera piece?

al-Husseini is perhaps an issue I am too close to and it seems one we will not agree on. At this point nothing will change my personal or professional opinion of him or his nephew. All the white wash and ribbons can't separate them or the legacy we have to deal with. Maybe it's the eyes, the voice or just the horror I've seen in them. I wish I had the original text of the mufti's book with me. Right now I could probably sell just the cove page on Ebay, or the satisfaction of watching it burn.
He used his association with Hitler and how he was depended on every chance he got. He would probably be the one agreeing the loudest with Netanyahu not disagreeing.

Thanks for the response Aris, even though we disagree I do respect your opinions. I like this editorial, it makes sense to me. I think Netanyahu is making a point and that point is he is going to align all Palestinians (and potentially all Arabs) with the Nazi's. In doing so, is he accurate? No, I don't think so. What he is doing is creating a very dangerous dichotomy that is certainly not conducive to peace. He has his agenda and I do think it is a bigoted anti-Arab agenda - his statements prior to his election victory give one pause: that there will NEVER be two states, and stoking the flames of Jewish fear of Arab Israeli votes. That is dangerously divisive, as is this speech.

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

 

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Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Coyote]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

The OP and other articles linked here were not "islamic", and it quoted quoted well established Holocaust historians, including Israeli historians.

 

[Coyote]

Where do you think Hitler got his ideas from if not from islam. It is basic divide and conquer tactics used by mo'mad all the time. Take Medina where he knew he could not hope to win against all the Jews so he went after them a tribe at a time. This meant he outnumbered them and could easily defeat them if it came to a war. What was it Hitler called his tactics again ?

Those ideas are not uniquely Islamic - they are standard doctrine for warfare. There is no historical evidence supporting the claim that Hitler got his ideas from Islam.

 

[Coyote]

Good piece somes it up well. The mufti and Hitler had the same goal extermination, of the Jewish people

“If a man was a Jew, it was good enough for him to be killed or stamped out,” wrote a senior British official serving abroad to his superiors in London in 1929.

From where was this gentleman—Major Alan Saunders—writing his dispatch? From Munich or Berlin or any of the other German cities where Hitler’s Nazi Party was gaining supporters and street thugs? In fact, no. Major Saunders was the head of the British Police in Palestine during the mandate period, and his statement concerned the massacre by Arabs, in August 1929, of 69 Jews in Hebron, a city where their community had been a consistent presence for at least two millennia.

The first is that while Hitler unarguably remains the most powerful and devastating anti-Semite to ever hold state power, he was far from the only one at that time to approach the “Jewish question” in exterminationist terms. As Major Saunders related from faraway Palestine, about an episode that presaged the Nazi atrocities that were to follow in Germany and then in occupied Europe and North Africa, the same hatred of Jews simply for being Jews was in painful evidence there. For there were thousands, even millions, of ordinary people in Europe and the Middle East who regarded the Jews as a social and religious poison and wanted them—all of them—dead. In that sense, the Fuhrer was their representative and their master.

And yet, when they spoke about the war, their anger really flowed when they remembered the locals who had assisted the Germans. Like Netanyahu now, what they found hardest to stomach was the spectacle of those non-Jews who lived alongside them collaborating with the Nazi extermination program.

In the pantheon of Nazi collaborators, Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini is right up there with Pavelic in Croatia, Petain in France, Horthy in Hungary, and all the other quislings—their name comes from the collaborationist leader in Norway, Vidkun Quisling—who implemented Hitler’s will. It was, ironically, the British authorities who appointed him to his position in 1921. During the 1929 massacre in Hebron, as during the openly anti-Semitic 1936-39 Arab revolt in Palestine, al-Husseini proved himself a confirmed Jew-hater and the natural ally of Hitler in the Arab and Muslim worlds.

It wasn’t until November 1941 that the Mufti met Hitler in person. Significantly, in the view of many historians, that encounter in Berlin took place two months before the Wannsee conference, where leading Nazis led by Hitler’s security chief, Reinhard Heydrich, plotted the implementation of the “Final Solution”—the extermination of the Jews.

In the official German record of their discussions (not an exact transcript, but a summary of what was said), it was clear that both Hitler and the Mufti were already in agreement that the Holocaust had to be visited upon the Jews. For his part, the Mufti expressed his appreciation of Germany’s commitment to the “elimination of the Jewish national home,” while Hitler restated his “active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests.”

During the 1930s, both Germany and Palestine were the sites of mob violence, boycotts, and discriminatory laws and regulations against Jews. The Nazi consolidation of power in the 1930s was what enabled them to launch their campaign of war and genocide at the end of that decade.

Had Palestine been conquered by the Germans from the British, there is no doubt that the Mufti would have been installed as the local quisling, and that the entire Jewish population would have been shipped to concentration and death camps in Europe—assuming that the Germans and their Arab militias didn’t build similar camps in the vicinity, of course. That was the mutual vision expressed in Berlin in 1941, the distinctly Arab contribution to the achievement of the “Thousand Year Reich.”

As the German historian Matthias Kuentzel has noted, the 700,000 Jews in the Middle East were in Hitler’s sights when he received the Mufti.

The Mufti and the Holocaust, Revisited

No one is saying they had the same goal - no one is saying the Mufti wasn't a Nazi or an anti-semite. But that's a far cry from placing him above Hitler as the architect of the final solution.

But he was not paced above Hitler was he, he was placed at Hitlers side as an equal in the holocaust and what happened to ALL the "untermensch"

Yes he was placed above Hitler - he was designated as the architect of the final solution, specifically, it was claimed that before he met the Mufti, Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews. That is not supported by evidence. The Mufti wasn't even close to Hitler as an "equal" - he was one of a number of avid Nazi's and collaborators who were minor figures.

 

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Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

 

[pbel]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

 

[Indeependent]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

Why don't you list some of the history books you read and perhaps a link to them on Amazon or another book store if possible.

 

[aris2chat]

Konrad writes for haaretz

and you think he is unbias? Same thing just repeated.

did you watch the Al-Jazeera piece?

al-Husseini is perhaps an issue I am too close to and it seems one we will not agree on. At this point nothing will change my personal or professional opinion of him or his nephew. All the white wash and ribbons can't separate them or the legacy we have to deal with. Maybe it's the eyes, the voice or just the horror I've seen in them. I wish I had the original text of the mufti's book with me. Right now I could probably sell just the cove page on Ebay, or the satisfaction of watching it burn.
He used his association with Hitler and how he was depended on every chance he got. He would probably be the one agreeing the loudest with Netanyahu not disagreeing.

Thanks for the response Aris, even though we disagree I do respect your opinions. I like this editorial, it makes sense to me. I think Netanyahu is making a point and that point is he is going to align all Palestinians (and potentially all Arabs) with the Nazi's. In doing so, is he accurate? No, I don't think so. What he is doing is creating a very dangerous dichotomy that is certainly not conducive to peace. He has his agenda and I do think it is a bigoted anti-Arab agenda - his statements prior to his election victory give one pause: that there will NEVER be two states, and stoking the flames of Jewish fear of Arab Israeli votes. That is dangerously divisive, as is this speech.

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

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At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

 

[Phoenall]

Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Invented to show up holocaust deniers and anti semites who always resort to Hitler and the holocaust when they are being defeated.

 

[aris2chat]

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

Historical record or arab historical record?

 

[Coyote]

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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Is that why he started his own religion based on Aryan myths and legends, and then converted to islam.

Phoenall, stick to reality. He never converted to Islam.

How do you know, did he confide in you personally. The rumour after the war was that he had converted shortly before the fall of Germany

Ahhhh "rumor".... like the "rumor" that 9/11 was an Israeli plot? Let's not deal in conspiracy theory rumors. How about stuff that is supported by historical records?

Historical record or arab historical record?

I used articles that quoted historians who specialized in Holocaust and anti-semitism research - most were Israeli I believe. None were Arabs.

 

[Phoenall]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

The OP and other articles linked here were not "islamic", and it quoted quoted well established Holocaust historians, including Israeli historians.

So because Benny Morris writes a book it is accurate is it, even when first hand accounts say he is lying. The tone of the post shows that the poster is not able to act in an unbiased manner and will resort to any lengths to demonise the Jews. Which is why I asked him to provide the evidence.

 

[Phoenall]

Where do you think Hitler got his ideas from if not from islam. It is basic divide and conquer tactics used by mo'mad all the time. Take Medina where he knew he could not hope to win against all the Jews so he went after them a tribe at a time. This meant he outnumbered them and could easily defeat them if it came to a war. What was it Hitler called his tactics again ?

Those ideas are not uniquely Islamic - they are standard doctrine for warfare. There is no historical evidence supporting the claim that Hitler got his ideas from Islam.

Apart from the beliefs of people who where there and knew Hitler and his generals. They said it was probable and who are we to say they don't know what they are talking about. Because you don't want to believe that the Palestinians were involved in the holocaust does not mean they weren't.

 

[Coyote]

Thanks for the response Aris, even though we disagree I do respect your opinions. I like this editorial, it makes sense to me. I think Netanyahu is making a point and that point is he is going to align all Palestinians (and potentially all Arabs) with the Nazi's. In doing so, is he accurate? No, I don't think so. What he is doing is creating a very dangerous dichotomy that is certainly not conducive to peace. He has his agenda and I do think it is a bigoted anti-Arab agenda - his statements prior to his election victory give one pause: that there will NEVER be two states, and stoking the flames of Jewish fear of Arab Israeli votes. That is dangerously divisive, as is this speech.

Every group if asked will trace their movement and the Palestinian cause as the mufti, and after mohammed and allah they would likely say hitler.
Mufti prided his ties to hitler and took full advantage of it.
Every bit of hate and violence goes back to the mufti. He was the Palestinian cause till he died, followed by Arafat.
Palestinians might be divided in so many other ways but as to the origin of "all this", they will all praise and, even worship, the mufti.

The Mufti was a Nazi - but, he was also an Arab Nationalist, so that at least is understandable in the context of the times.

Have you been listening to the outcry? Burn the jews, exterminate the jews? They want to finish what hitler was trying to do. They tried to do just that burn 5 including a little girl.

And the Jews burned a Palestinian family, including a toddler boy. They burned to death an Arab-Israeli youth earlier.

Who do you thing the crematorium was going to be for? Muslims don't cremate their dead, they are buried in a shroud.

I don't disagree with the Mufti's Nazi ambitions.

You can't separate the Palestinian action from the motivation to exterminate the jews on the earth.

Yes. You can. Refusing to do so shows an unwillingness to understand the complexities of the situation. For a long time Palestinian popular opinion polls indicated a strong support for a two-state solution - that means two states, one of which was Jewish. That is not a motivation to "exterminate the jews on earth". In fact, I can't find anything indicating the Palestinians want to exerminate all the Jews on earth. Their main focus has always been and still is a Palestinian homeland.

We might wish they followed in the footsteps of a Ghandi with non-violence, tolerance and peaceful co-existence. Didn't work so good for Ghandi in the end. Now India and Pakistan are in a nuclear stand off, and fuel from Pakistan is now n the market to arabs.

And Hindu nationalism is reaking havoc with a tradition of democratic secularism. Welcome to the world.

Pretending "the final solution" plays no part in the mess is lying to yourself.

No, I don't think so. I think that is a scare tactic designed to further marginalize any effort of the Palestinians to achieve a state. WW2 is coming on to a century past.

I wish the mufti's and hitler's ghosts had no involvement. We can all wish a lot of things. First we have to assess the situation and decide what kind of goal we would like and make a plan and hope we find some half way point that might end the cycle. Think of how many of the best from around the world have tried and failed. Palestinians have to accept Israel and the jews before there can be any movement. As long as they believe that they will exterminate Israel and all trace of the jews from the face of the earth we really can't begin to find common ground. Why do you think security is so important to Israel, vitally important. A ceasefire or temporary talking points won't change the long term ambitions for the extermination.

Yes, I agree - the Palestinians have to accept Israel. Likewise - Israel has to accept the right of the Palestinians to have a state as well. Thus far there has been no progress there.

Israel could not and would not destroy all arabs or all muslims , we all know that. But you can't say the arab/Palestinians have or would ever give up their ambitions.

Yes, I think I can. If the Arab world wanted to destroy Israel, it could have.

We have seen by other groups in the area that jews/Israelis are not the only targets of their extermination ambitions, or even other muslims viewed as heretics.

Why do you think Mein Kampf is the second most popular book for them? That is a book I would like to burn. I'd love to separate the mufti and hitler, but I couldn't and I can't. They are too imbedded in this mess. The organization and training and the rhetoric is modeled on hitler. It not Buddha or Krishna, it's hitler.
You think Mohammed trained his army in anyway like that, or organized the people and towns like that?

Three major wars with between five and nations lining against Israel, backed by European and russian weapons in 25 yrs and several smaller one and a continuous stream of attack against the country.

That was the arabs just inviting Israel to the prom? Arabs thought because they far out numbered and out armed Israel and on all sides it would be an easy victory.

It is more complex than that - invoking Hitler is dishonest. There are Jews in multiple Arab countries still, though far fewer now. They haven't been killed, put into concentration camps, etc. The issue with Israel is one of who does the region belong to, and the unresolved status of Palestinians.

>>
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

And they were treated the same in Christian lands...I don't think that history is a good argument for claiming that modern Palestinians are like Hitler or want to kill all Jews in the world. Until recently the vast majority SUPPORTED a two-state solution with both sides co-existing. What changed that support? The realization that, with increased settlement expansions, that Israel the current Israeli PM had no intent of making that a reality ever.