Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[CMike]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

http://theconversation.com/netanyah...rtant-to-get-the-historical-facts-right-49617

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.

That is inaccurate.

Netanyahu said that at the time Hitler met the Mufti, Hitler was working on expelling the Jews not murdering them.

The Mufti, said that if you expel them they will come here, and that Hitler should burn them.

Obviously, Hitler is responsible for attempting and coming close to exterminate all Jews, however, the mufti was complicit.

The point that I understood from Netanyahu's speech is that this isn't about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

The arabs were trying to kill all the Jews in Israel before those areas were even captured.

The arabs were trying to kill the Jews before the Jews even formed the state.

The Mufti's collaboration with Hitler is proof of this. The Mufti was part of the Nuremberg trials. He also used the same arguement that the Jews are trying to destroy the mosque on the Temple Mount that the arabs are spewing today.

That was Netanyahu's point, and his point was a good one. It was also the truth

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

 

[Coyote]

By the way, even Judiasm "stole" from earlier religions. Where do you think many of their "demons" came from? They were from older, polytheistic deities transformed into the Jewish pantheon of demons.

Jews did not try to wipe them out.

What does that have to do with "stealing a religion"? Jews in ancient times were pretty warlike, just like everyone else.

 

[CMike]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.

That is inaccurate.

Netanyahu said that at the time Hitler met the Mufti, Hitler was working on expelling the Jews not murdering them.

The Mufti, said that if you expel them they will come here, and that Hitler should burn them.

Obviously, Hitler is responsible for attempting and coming close to exterminate all Jews, however, the mufti was complicit.

The point that I understood from Netanyahu's speech is that this isn't about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

The arabs were trying to kill all the Jews in Israel before those areas were even captured.

The arabs were trying to kill the Jews before the Jews even formed the state.

The Mufti's collaboration with Hitler is proof of this. The Mufti was part of the Nuremberg trials. He also used the same arguement that the Jews are trying to destroy the mosque on the Temple Mount that the arabs are spewing today.

That was Netanyahu's point, and his point was a good one. It was also the truth

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

That is true. This is a religious war, not a political one.

This was well said by this female guest.

http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/b...very-person-blaming-israel-for-muslim-terror/

 

[aris2chat]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

Netanyahu, the Grand Mufti and the Holocaust: why it is important to get the historical facts right

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

"The history of the Holocaust " was the story of the jews in Europe. It is a large part of the jewish need for security today. That history is still being advocated by Iran and others on every media form around the world. The diaspora was history, the holocaust was yesterday. People from those camps are still alive to remember the horrors, to remember the numbers of the dead jews and how close the jews came to being exterminated from the earth. They remember just how close hitler and the mufti came to their final solution. That extermination is still a real threat today.

And that is why it shouldn't be used lightly, for political purposes or to demonize, and that is especially why the events shouldn't be distorted in the same manner that Holocaust Deniers do. If politicians start doing that over and over it in this manner, becomes like the boy who cried wolf.

Not some wolf, the followers of "the wolf". A wolf that was a partner in madness with hitler. The pack is still threatening and killing jews today.

It is not some imaginary wolf. Listen to the speeches, preaching and rhetoric from across the region on any given day. Listen to the broadcasts, videos and news casts. Read the news.

Mufti might be as dead as hitler but their ideas, their "final solution" is not.

 

[Coyote]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

http://theconversation.com/netanyah...rtant-to-get-the-historical-facts-right-49617

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.

That is inaccurate.

Netanyahu said that at the time Hitler met the Mufti, Hitler was working on expelling the Jews not murdering them.

The Mufti, said that if you expel them they will come here, and that Hitler should burn them.

Obviously, Hitler is responsible for attempting and coming close to exterminate all Jews, however, the mufti was complicit.

The point that I understood from Netanyahu's speech is that this isn't about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

The arabs were trying to kill all the Jews in Israel before those areas were even captured.

The arabs were trying to kill the Jews before the Jews even formed the state.

The Mufti's collaboration with Hitler is proof of this. The Mufti was part of the Nuremberg trials. He also used the same arguement that the Jews are trying to destroy the mosque on the Temple Mount that the arabs are spewing today.

That was Netanyahu's point, and his point was a good one. It was also the truth

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

 

[aris2chat]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

http://theconversation.com/netanyah...rtant-to-get-the-historical-facts-right-49617

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.

That is inaccurate.

Netanyahu said that at the time Hitler met the Mufti, Hitler was working on expelling the Jews not murdering them.

The Mufti, said that if you expel them they will come here, and that Hitler should burn them.

Obviously, Hitler is responsible for attempting and coming close to exterminate all Jews, however, the mufti was complicit.

The point that I understood from Netanyahu's speech is that this isn't about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

The arabs were trying to kill all the Jews in Israel before those areas were even captured.

The arabs were trying to kill the Jews before the Jews even formed the state.

The Mufti's collaboration with Hitler is proof of this. The Mufti was part of the Nuremberg trials. He also used the same arguement that the Jews are trying to destroy the mosque on the Temple Mount that the arabs are spewing today.

That was Netanyahu's point, and his point was a good one. It was also the truth

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

 

[CMike]

By the way, even Judiasm "stole" from earlier religions. Where do you think many of their "demons" came from? They were from older, polytheistic deities transformed into the Jewish pantheon of demons.

What demons?

 

[Coyote]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

http://theconversation.com/netanyah...rtant-to-get-the-historical-facts-right-49617

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.

That is inaccurate.

Netanyahu said that at the time Hitler met the Mufti, Hitler was working on expelling the Jews not murdering them.

The Mufti, said that if you expel them they will come here, and that Hitler should burn them.

Obviously, Hitler is responsible for attempting and coming close to exterminate all Jews, however, the mufti was complicit.

The point that I understood from Netanyahu's speech is that this isn't about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

The arabs were trying to kill all the Jews in Israel before those areas were even captured.

The arabs were trying to kill the Jews before the Jews even formed the state.

The Mufti's collaboration with Hitler is proof of this. The Mufti was part of the Nuremberg trials. He also used the same arguement that the Jews are trying to destroy the mosque on the Temple Mount that the arabs are spewing today.

That was Netanyahu's point, and his point was a good one. It was also the truth

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

Yes
unknown
unknown
unkown
he did not want them deported and ending up in Palestine, deliberately prevented it and caused them to be killed
supported yes
of course not

 

[Coyote]

By the way, even Judiasm "stole" from earlier religions. Where do you think many of their "demons" came from? They were from older, polytheistic deities transformed into the Jewish pantheon of demons.

What demons?

Aamon and Astaroth, for example were dieties from other religions recast as demons.

 

[aris2chat]

Netanyahu was spot on.

Important too.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Netanyahu later clarified that his greater point was to say that, far before the concept of an Arab-Muslim Palestinian ever existed or before the modern state of Israel was declared, Islamic leaders in the land still sought to eliminate the Jews.

“My intention was not to absolve Hitler of his responsibility,” he later explained. “But rather to show that the forefathers of the Palestinian nation, without a country and without the so-called occupation, without land and without settlements, even then aspired to systematic incitement to exterminate the Jews.”

“Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution to exterminate six million Jews; he made the decision,” a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office added. “It is equally absurd to ignore the role played by the mufti, Haj Amin al -Husseini, a war criminal, for encouraging and urging Hitler.”

The Israeli Prime Minister is speaking of the same Mufti who once said, broadcasting in Arabic from Berlin, “Kill the Jews wherever you find them – this is Allah’s will.”

Whether or not the Mufti actually convinced Hitler to go forward with his plans is a fair topic for debate.

However, the Mufti did support and encourage Hitler in his quest for worldwide Jewish extermination, as proven through historical transcripts provided by the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

In November 1941, the two leaders met in Berlin to discuss the future of the Jewish people living in British Mandate Palestine. Hitler told Husseini that the “struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine” would be part of his larger efforts against the Jews. Hitler assured him that when the German army advanced on the Middle East, he would announce to the Arab world that “the hour of liberation is at hand.” Their only goal, Hitler said, “would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”

Moreover, according to the prosecution team during the Nuremberg trials, the Mufti did indeed play a role in facilitating the annihilation of European Jews.

“The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry for the Germans and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan… According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews,” an SS officer admitted during the trials.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a man who is revered by some as the founding father of the Palestinian movement, was undoubtedly a supporter of the extermination of Jews, an uncomfortable fact that the international pro-Palestinian Left has not addressed in its criticism of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

http://theconversation.com/netanyah...rtant-to-get-the-historical-facts-right-49617

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

That is inaccurate.

Netanyahu said that at the time Hitler met the Mufti, Hitler was working on expelling the Jews not murdering them.

The Mufti, said that if you expel them they will come here, and that Hitler should burn them.

Obviously, Hitler is responsible for attempting and coming close to exterminate all Jews, however, the mufti was complicit.

The point that I understood from Netanyahu's speech is that this isn't about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

The arabs were trying to kill all the Jews in Israel before those areas were even captured.

The arabs were trying to kill the Jews before the Jews even formed the state.

The Mufti's collaboration with Hitler is proof of this. The Mufti was part of the Nuremberg trials. He also used the same arguement that the Jews are trying to destroy the mosque on the Temple Mount that the arabs are spewing today.

That was Netanyahu's point, and his point was a good one. It was also the truth

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

Yes
unknown
unknown
unkown
he did not want them deported and ending up in Palestine, deliberately prevented it and caused them to be killed
supported yes
of course not

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose
Rashid 'Ali al-Kailani and Fawzi al-Qawuqji we just as ignorant of the jewish fate as the mufti? Hitler used them and they used hitler against the allies and against the jews.


Jewish conspiracy, world Jewry, jewish seizure of all Arab lands, enslave and exploit Arabs, corrupting the moral fabric of society, immutable characteristics and behaviors, infectious disease, microbes or bacilli, kill Jews wherever found,"removing" all the jews from the earth, the common interests of Germany and Italy with those of Arabs and Muslims. Nazi Germany was the natural ally of the Arab and Muslim world, Germany alone recognized the global threat of the "Jewish problem" and took steps to "solve" it globally...................... Not exactly bothers of the book or an ofter to share mint tea and honey cakes. Hitler is burning down synagogues and lets the mufti build an Islamic center in Berlin months after their first face to face.

Why do you thing the mufti was such a wanted man after the nazi surrender? Someone so well know using fake papers till he made it to cairo, even then they ended kicking him to the curb.

But the mufti and hitler did never collude in exterminating jews in europe or the middle east? Like hiter and mussolini never colluded either? Hitler had a better knack for organization but the anti-Semitism and desire for extermination was mutal.
But that was just coincidence as well?

>>During the Nuremberg Trials that followed World War II, Dieter Wisliceny, a deputy of Adolph Eichmann, described the Mufti as one of Eichmann’s closest confidants: “The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry...and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan. According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews. He had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities...the extermination of European Jewry. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” When Eichmann was captured and tried in Israel in 1961, Golda Meir called for Al Husseini to be tried, as well.<<



another book for you
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam By David G. Dalin, John F. Rothmann, Alan M. Dershowitz

 

[Challenger]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

Why don't you list some of the history books you read and perhaps a link to them on Amazon or another book store if possible.

You know, every time I do that, I get accused of being a salesperson for Amazon.

 

[Challenger]

Netanyahu's claim was that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea for the Final Solution, using a quote that can not be verified. Netanyahu minimized Hitlers culpability in order to demonize the Palestinians by saying Hitler only sought to expel the Jews when he met the Mufti. He was already exterminating Jews. This attempt to reorganize history is little different from that of Holocaust Deniers, with a different but equally sinister motive.


Did Zionism Cause the Holocaust? A New Biography Says Yes.:

Where Rubin and Schwanitz depart from the known historical record is in their dubious causal assertion that Hitler’s commitment to al-Husaini to keep Jews out of Palestine was in turn a major motivation for the fuehrer’s decision, sometime in 1941, to exterminate European Jewry. It’s true, as Rubin and Schwanitz make clear, that the mufti advocated genocide against the Jews even before Hitler did. Like Hitler, he thought of Jews as subhuman and evil parasites. But the notion that al-Husaini played a key role in Hitler’s settling on the Final Solution is based on one piece of thin hearsay evidence: comments that the controversial Hungarian Jewish leader Rudolf Kastner attributed to Eichmann’s subordinate Dieter Wisliceny. (Rubin and Schwanitz oddly credit the comments to Eichmann himself.)​

The argument is not whether or not the Mufti was a Nazi, and sought to exterminate Jews in Palestine, that's well supported - the argument is the false attribution of his role in Hitler's plans and WHY did Netanyahu make such inflammatory and divisive statements at this time when things are very tense?

http://theconversation.com/netanyah...rtant-to-get-the-historical-facts-right-49617

Why has Netanyahu arrived at this interpretation?


It is not the first time Netanyahu tried to suggest that the Arab leader was somehow behind the idea of the physical extermination of the European Jews. He did so before, in 2012. There have been some scholarly attempts exploring the role of al-Husseiny that Netanyahu might feel support his claim, among them most recently by Middle East scholars Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz in their book Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.

Netanyahu’s comments are not so much a trivialisation of the Holocaust or even a denial, but a deliberate and dangerous distortion of historical facts. Netanyahu no doubt feels that by accusing a prominent Palestinian leader during the Nazi period of being somehow behind the Holocaust, perhaps even being the inspiration for it, he can successfully discredit today’s Palestinian leadership and their concerns and worries.


By claiming that there exists a century-old tradition of anti-semitism among Palestinians culminating in active participation in the annihilation of the Jewish people, Netanyahu wants to establish a line of direct and straight-forward historical continuity from the Holocaust to today’s ongoing tensions. He implies that today’s Intifada has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the separation barrier, the question of Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands or the general socio-economic situation of the Palestinians, but that at its core is simply ingrained anti-semitism.


There’s no doubt: Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He collaborated with Nazi Germany as a broadcaster and propagandist, and he helped recruit Balkan Muslims to fight for the Nazis. There is little doubt that he knew about the Holocaust and did not object when he learned about it (probably following a meeting with Himmler in 1943): however, he was not the inspiration behind the Holocaust. This must never be confused.


As the German chancellor Angela Merkel emphasised again after Netanyahu’s comments: the Holocaust is and remains the sole responsibility of the Germans.


The history of the Holocaust is too sensitive a topic to be allowed to be exploited and abused in inflammatory speeches. Netanyahu’s comments are not supported by scholarly evidence. But now that the genie is out of the bottle, academics will find it much more difficult to get through with their evidenced arguments. Holocaust deniers and right-wing extremists could well hijack Netanyahu’s comments for their agenda as proof that they were right: the Holocaust was not Germany’s original doing, and they can now cite an Israeli prime minister as suggesting exactly that.


The damage that this poses to an evidence-based discussion of the Holocaust is as yet immeasurable – but it could well be a very high price to pay for what Netanyahu probably hoped would give him a short-term political advantage in the upcoming negotiations.





​

Netanyahu said this (from the OP):

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.
​

The problem is - there is no historical evidence or record for that conversation.

Netanyahu's speech is very much about the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jeruselum. By putting modern day Arabs and Palestinians in the same league as Hitler is defining them the same way as the Nazi's - a scrouge that can only be fought, killed, eradicated - never negotiated with.

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

Yes
unknown
unknown
unkown
he did not want them deported and ending up in Palestine, deliberately prevented it and caused them to be killed
supported yes
of course not

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose
Rashid 'Ali al-Kailani and Fawzi al-Qawuqji we just as ignorant of the jewish fate as the mufti? Hitler used them and they used hitler against the allies and against the jews.


Jewish conspiracy, world Jewry, jewish seizure of all Arab lands, enslave and exploit Arabs, corrupting the moral fabric of society, immutable characteristics and behaviors, infectious disease, microbes or bacilli, kill Jews wherever found,"removing" all the jews from the earth, the common interests of Germany and Italy with those of Arabs and Muslims. Nazi Germany was the natural ally of the Arab and Muslim world, Germany alone recognized the global threat of the "Jewish problem" and took steps to "solve" it globally...................... Not exactly bothers of the book or an ofter to share mint tea and honey cakes. Hitler is burning down synagogues and lets the mufti build an Islamic center in Berlin months after their first face to face.

Why do you thing the mufti was such a wanted man after the nazi surrender? Someone so well know using fake papers till he made it to cairo, even then they ended kicking him to the curb.

But the mufti and hitler did never collude in exterminating jews in europe or the middle east? Like hiter and mussolini never colluded either? Hitler had a better knack for organization but the anti-Semitism and desire for extermination was mutal.
But that was just coincidence as well?

>>During the Nuremberg Trials that followed World War II, Dieter Wisliceny, a deputy of Adolph Eichmann, described the Mufti as one of Eichmann’s closest confidants: “The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry...and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan. According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews. He had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities...the extermination of European Jewry. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” When Eichmann was captured and tried in Israel in 1961, Golda Meir called for Al Husseini to be tried, as well.<<



another book for you
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam By David G. Dalin, John F. Rothmann, Alan M. Dershowitz

Most of this is complete fabrication, and anything Dershowitz is involved with, doubly so.

 

[Phoenall]

>>
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.24

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.<<


Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands
G.E. Von Grunebaum, “Eastern Jewry Under Islam
24New York Times, February 19, 1947
Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Timesz
Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism
Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue

And they were treated the same in Christian lands...I don't think that history is a good argument for claiming that modern Palestinians are like Hitler or want to kill all Jews in the world. Until recently the vast majority SUPPORTED a two-state solution with both sides co-existing. What changed that support? The realization that, with increased settlement expansions, that Israel the current Israeli PM had no intent of making that a reality ever.

If that was the case then why did they elect two different groups that had it as their basic manifesto that they would fight to the last Palestinian before giving up one inch of Palestinian land. That was from north to south from the river to the sea, and was the Palestinians mantra since 1988.

Look at Palestinian public opinion polls.

What you are spouting is islamonazi propaganda that has no roots in the truth. Again how can Israel actually stop the Palestinians from declaring a state and their intentions to negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours, at the most all they can do is refuse to meet the Palestinian representatives and be left with egg on their face.

Everytime someone points out where you're wrong you claim it's "islamonazi propoganda" (you have yet to show a historical source showing Hitler converted to Islam or that Islam informed Hitlers policies).

Israel can easily prevent the Palestinians from having a state by maintaining a permanent state of invasive occupation.

And who publishes the polls ?

Multiple groups - if they are done well, they provide a more accurate look at public opinion amongst Palestinians or any other group of people.

As you have been told the books went out of fashion, and so cant be found

Historical data doesn't "go out of fashion" - if there is evidence supporting it, it would be out there. Surely you can find it.

How will that prevent the Palestinians from declaring state, all it will mean is they will have to operate under occupation. They will have to generate their own income and set taxes on everyone, Then inform Israel that they will set the laws in future and will, police the areas they are in control of and arrest any criminals. Once they show they are capable of doing this and they keep the peace then Israel will be asked to vacate the west bank by the UN.

I doubt Israel will vacate the West Bank. Israel's actions have not been helpful in any of this and frankly it's not up to Israel to determine whether or not they should have the state. After all, the UN gave it to Israel. They should set down representatives from both sides, tell them no more diddlying around - settle it. Set 1967 "borders" for a starting point, negotiate landswaps. Palestinians will have to forget about "right of return" and Israeli's will have to forget about settlements other than what they negotiate in swaps. Until then there won't be peace because neither side is willing to give up enough to want it enough.

But of course the Palestinians wont do this as it will cost them a lot of money in aid and they wont have an excuse to attack Israeli children anymore.

And neither will the Israeli's.

And your evidence of the Israeli's targeting children with illegal weapons to instill terror in the arab muslim's is what.

The Palestinians have already done the hard work of declaring a state, now they just need to take the last 2 baby steps towards full statehood and all that goes with it, which will mean they will have to start paying for goods and services instead of lining pockets and paying terrorists. Then they would no longer be able to blame Israel for the state of their country, and the world would see their terrorist attacks for what they are and turn against them

 

[Phoenall]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

Why don't you list some of the history books you read and perhaps a link to them on Amazon or another book store if possible.

You know, every time I do that, I get accused of being a salesperson for Amazon.

Because you are, which is why instead of providing links to scientific papers you give links to works of fiction

 

[Phoenall]

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

Yes
unknown
unknown
unkown
he did not want them deported and ending up in Palestine, deliberately prevented it and caused them to be killed
supported yes
of course not

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose
Rashid 'Ali al-Kailani and Fawzi al-Qawuqji we just as ignorant of the jewish fate as the mufti? Hitler used them and they used hitler against the allies and against the jews.


Jewish conspiracy, world Jewry, jewish seizure of all Arab lands, enslave and exploit Arabs, corrupting the moral fabric of society, immutable characteristics and behaviors, infectious disease, microbes or bacilli, kill Jews wherever found,"removing" all the jews from the earth, the common interests of Germany and Italy with those of Arabs and Muslims. Nazi Germany was the natural ally of the Arab and Muslim world, Germany alone recognized the global threat of the "Jewish problem" and took steps to "solve" it globally...................... Not exactly bothers of the book or an ofter to share mint tea and honey cakes. Hitler is burning down synagogues and lets the mufti build an Islamic center in Berlin months after their first face to face.

Why do you thing the mufti was such a wanted man after the nazi surrender? Someone so well know using fake papers till he made it to cairo, even then they ended kicking him to the curb.

But the mufti and hitler did never collude in exterminating jews in europe or the middle east? Like hiter and mussolini never colluded either? Hitler had a better knack for organization but the anti-Semitism and desire for extermination was mutal.
But that was just coincidence as well?

>>During the Nuremberg Trials that followed World War II, Dieter Wisliceny, a deputy of Adolph Eichmann, described the Mufti as one of Eichmann’s closest confidants: “The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry...and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan. According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews. He had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities...the extermination of European Jewry. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” When Eichmann was captured and tried in Israel in 1961, Golda Meir called for Al Husseini to be tried, as well.<<



another book for you
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam By David G. Dalin, John F. Rothmann, Alan M. Dershowitz

Most of this is complete fabrication, and anything Dershowitz is involved with, doubly so.

Only in your fantasy world as the minutes of the Nuremburg trials are freely avaiable

 

[pbel]

The outright distortion of History is the usual ploy of not only Nut&Yahoo but you can see this hijacking of truth by our-own ZioNazis who post nonsense daily on these boards...

Sure Israel has a lot of Money and Power with her backers worldwide, but money has yet to win a battle with people power.

Read History.

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

Why don't you list some of the history books you read and perhaps a link to them on Amazon or another book store if possible.

You know, every time I do that, I get accused of being a salesperson for Amazon.

Because you are, which is why instead of providing links to scientific papers you give links to works of fiction

Would a list of Freudian writings help or perhaps some B.F. Skinner's Operant Conditioning might ease your confusion in constantly posting nonsensical sputtering?

 

[Phoenall]

How about some examples then and the "real history" posted to show that it has been altered. Must be from a proven historical document that is not islamic

Perhaps I would comply with dozens of History Books, however how would truth ever enter that delusional mind you posses?

You really are a Fruit Loop!

Why don't you list some of the history books you read and perhaps a link to them on Amazon or another book store if possible.

You know, every time I do that, I get accused of being a salesperson for Amazon.

Because you are, which is why instead of providing links to scientific papers you give links to works of fiction

Would a list of Freudian writings help or perhaps some B.F. Skinner's Operant Conditioning might ease your confusion in constantly posting nonsensical sputtering?

What are you rambling on about now, could I ask the mods to check the IP address of this poster against others from team Palestine as I believe that there is a possibility of split personality disorder here.

 

[aris2chat]

There is historical evidence of what Netanyahu stated.

Netanyahu: Arab Leader Made Pact with Hitler Against Jews

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

Yes
unknown
unknown
unkown
he did not want them deported and ending up in Palestine, deliberately prevented it and caused them to be killed
supported yes
of course not

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose
Rashid 'Ali al-Kailani and Fawzi al-Qawuqji we just as ignorant of the jewish fate as the mufti? Hitler used them and they used hitler against the allies and against the jews.


Jewish conspiracy, world Jewry, jewish seizure of all Arab lands, enslave and exploit Arabs, corrupting the moral fabric of society, immutable characteristics and behaviors, infectious disease, microbes or bacilli, kill Jews wherever found,"removing" all the jews from the earth, the common interests of Germany and Italy with those of Arabs and Muslims. Nazi Germany was the natural ally of the Arab and Muslim world, Germany alone recognized the global threat of the "Jewish problem" and took steps to "solve" it globally...................... Not exactly bothers of the book or an ofter to share mint tea and honey cakes. Hitler is burning down synagogues and lets the mufti build an Islamic center in Berlin months after their first face to face.

Why do you thing the mufti was such a wanted man after the nazi surrender? Someone so well know using fake papers till he made it to cairo, even then they ended kicking him to the curb.

But the mufti and hitler did never collude in exterminating jews in europe or the middle east? Like hiter and mussolini never colluded either? Hitler had a better knack for organization but the anti-Semitism and desire for extermination was mutal.
But that was just coincidence as well?

>>During the Nuremberg Trials that followed World War II, Dieter Wisliceny, a deputy of Adolph Eichmann, described the Mufti as one of Eichmann’s closest confidants: “The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry...and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan. According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews. He had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities...the extermination of European Jewry. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” When Eichmann was captured and tried in Israel in 1961, Golda Meir called for Al Husseini to be tried, as well.<<



another book for you
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam By David G. Dalin, John F. Rothmann, Alan M. Dershowitz

Most of this is complete fabrication, and anything Dershowitz is involved with, doubly so.

The trial was not dubious or fabricated and states the Mufti was the "initiator" of the extermination.

Th mufti's radio broadcasts from Berlin or his sermons and speeches in arab radio are not in doubt

Dotan Valley, near Nablus where the mufti planned his "crematoriums of the Auschwitz kind, to which the Jews of the Land of Israel as well as the Jews of Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, and even North Africa would be brought, so as to annihilate them with the methods used by the SS in the death camps of Europe"
Haviv Canaan, “Hamufti Tichnen Misrafot l’Yehudim b’Emek Dotan”

But any book, document or evidence be it in English, German, French or Hebrew is suspect to you? Even the Arabic broadcasts by the mufti are somehow fabricated?

The same things the mufti said were repeated time an again by Arafat

You can't absolve the mufti or Arafat from the killing of all the jews "wherever you find them" then or now.

 

[montelatici]

I am sure Native Americans had leaders that said the same thing about the invading Europeans in the Americas. It's quite normal for people undergoing an invasion to wish for the death of the invader.

 

[Coyote]

Brietbart is not a very accurate source when it comes to history and it doesn't really address the issue.

No one is denying that the Mufti collaborated with Hitler (and was a Nazi) or that he wanted to eradicate the Jews of Palestine. No one is denying he was an evil man.

What the argument is, and where Netanyahu is wrong - is that the Mufti was not the architect for the Final Solution, there is no record of the conversation between the Mufti and Hitler that Netanyahu quotes, and that the only evidence implying that the Mufti influenced Hitler at all is hearsay.

for the sake of argument............
do you believe the mufti knew?
do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution?
do you believe they discussed it?
do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
do you believe the mufti did not want the jews deported or allowed to escape the nazis?
do you believe the mufti supported or told others to kill jews?

Do you believe the mufti ever said not to kill the jews but to live in peace with them as brothers, fellow human beings?

Yes
unknown
unknown
unkown
he did not want them deported and ending up in Palestine, deliberately prevented it and caused them to be killed
supported yes
of course not

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose
Rashid 'Ali al-Kailani and Fawzi al-Qawuqji we just as ignorant of the jewish fate as the mufti? Hitler used them and they used hitler against the allies and against the jews.


Jewish conspiracy, world Jewry, jewish seizure of all Arab lands, enslave and exploit Arabs, corrupting the moral fabric of society, immutable characteristics and behaviors, infectious disease, microbes or bacilli, kill Jews wherever found,"removing" all the jews from the earth, the common interests of Germany and Italy with those of Arabs and Muslims. Nazi Germany was the natural ally of the Arab and Muslim world, Germany alone recognized the global threat of the "Jewish problem" and took steps to "solve" it globally...................... Not exactly bothers of the book or an ofter to share mint tea and honey cakes. Hitler is burning down synagogues and lets the mufti build an Islamic center in Berlin months after their first face to face.

Why do you thing the mufti was such a wanted man after the nazi surrender? Someone so well know using fake papers till he made it to cairo, even then they ended kicking him to the curb.

But the mufti and hitler did never collude in exterminating jews in europe or the middle east? Like hiter and mussolini never colluded either? Hitler had a better knack for organization but the anti-Semitism and desire for extermination was mutal.
But that was just coincidence as well?

>>During the Nuremberg Trials that followed World War II, Dieter Wisliceny, a deputy of Adolph Eichmann, described the Mufti as one of Eichmann’s closest confidants: “The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry...and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan. According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews. He had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities...the extermination of European Jewry. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” When Eichmann was captured and tried in Israel in 1961, Golda Meir called for Al Husseini to be tried, as well.<<



another book for you
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam By David G. Dalin, John F. Rothmann, Alan M. Dershowitz

Most of this is complete fabrication, and anything Dershowitz is involved with, doubly so.

The trial was not dubious or fabricated and states the Mufti was the "initiator" of the extermination.

Th mufti's radio broadcasts from Berlin or his sermons and speeches in arab radio are not in doubt

Dotan Valley, near Nablus where the mufti planned his "crematoriums of the Auschwitz kind, to which the Jews of the Land of Israel as well as the Jews of Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, and even North Africa would be brought, so as to annihilate them with the methods used by the SS in the death camps of Europe"
Haviv Canaan, “Hamufti Tichnen Misrafot l’Yehudim b’Emek Dotan”

But any book, document or evidence be it in English, German, French or Hebrew is suspect to you? Even the Arabic broadcasts by the mufti are somehow fabricated?

The same things the mufti said were repeated time an again by Arafat

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You can't absolve the mufti or Arafat from the killing of all the jews "wherever you find them" then or now.

Are all these historians wrong? Are they lying?

In Netanyahu’s mufti-Holocaust allegation, echoes of his father’s maverick approach to history

Netanyahu bases his contentious assertion on historical sources, which — taken at face value — indeed support the claim that the mufti played an integral part in the fuhrer’s plan to annihilate the Jewish people. These sources are vehemently disputed by most serious scholars. But then, the prime minister is not the first member of his family to swim against the scholarly current.

...
Defending his contentious remarks Wednesday as he made his way to Berlin, the prime minister said: “There is much evidence about this, including the testimony of [Adolf] Eichmann’s deputy at the Nuremberg trials — not now, but after World War II.”

Netanyahu then cited two statements attributed to SS-Hauptsturmführer Dieter Wisliceny, who served under Eichmann in the Jewish affairs department of the Reich Security Main Office and who from 1940 acted as adviser on Jewish affairs to the Slovakian government, participating in the deportation of Jews from Slovakia, Greece, and Hungary:

“In my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who has been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews, the importance of which must not be disregarded. He has repeatedly suggested to the various authorities with whom he has been in contact, above all before Hitler, Ribbentrop and Himmler, the extermination of European Jewry. He considered this as a comfortable solution for the Palestine problem.”

That quote comes from the 1946 Nuremberg trials. Netanyahu also cited a sentence that Wisliceny is believed to have uttered in Bratislava while the Holocaust was raging, in 1944:

“The Mufti was one of the instigators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and was a partner and adviser to Eichmann and Hitler for carrying out this plan.”

“The attempt by certain scholars and people to be apologists for the key and important role of Haj Amin al-Husseini is clear,” an unrepentant Netanyahu said Wednesday. “Many other researchers cite this testimony and others regarding the role of Haj Amin al-Husseini.”

Netanyahu is not the first to cite the Wisliceny quotes. They feature, for instance, in a 2012 book, “Israel: The Will to Prevail,” by the man Netanyahu recently appointed as his ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Danon. But Danon acknowledges the problematics of the claim: “Some historians have cast doubt on al-Husseini’s involvement in the ‘final solution,’” he writes, “since it was already under way after [sic] al-Husseini’s arrival on the scene.”

In fact, it is not some, but rather most serious historians who doubt the veracity of Wisliceny’s account.

Yehuda Bauer, Israel’s preeminent Holocaust scholar, is a prominent case in point. “After the war, they caught him (Wisliceny) and tried him at Nuremberg, where he tried to eschew all responsibility, saying: ‘It wasn’t Hitler, it wasn’t me, it was the mufti,'” Bauer told The Times of Israel on Thursday. “I am not sure if Wisliceny ever met the mufti. I doubt it, but it’s doesn’t matter. It’s clear that his account is untrue: the Germans had started annihilating the Jews half a year before Hitler and the mufti met. Netanyahu’s story is entirely baseless.” (Wisliceny was executed for war crimes in 1948.)

Bauer, a professor emeritus of history and Holocaust Studies at Hebrew University and an academic advisor to Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial, is far from alone among elite historians in rejecting Netanyahu’s reliance on Wisliceny’s testimony.

The “Wisliceny hearsay is not merely uncorroborated, but conflicts with everything else that is known about the origins of the Final Solution,” Rafael Medoff, the head of the Washington, DC-based David Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, wrote in a 1996 article for the Journal of Israeli History.

“There is no independent documentary confirmation of Wisliceny’s statements, and it seems unlikely that the Nazis needed any such additional encouragement from the outside,” historian Bernard Lewis, an eminent Islam scholar, wrote in 1997.

There are some scholars who are willing to believe Wisliceny’s testimony. David Dalin and John Rothmann, in their 2008 book “Icon of Evil: Hitler’s Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam,” wrote that by recruiting Muslims in Bosnia for the Waffen-SS, “al-Husseini played an important role in Hitler’s extermination of the Europe Jews. It was not, however, his only direct contribution to Hitler’s Final Solution. In other ways, the mufti contributed actively to the Holocaust.” In his review for The New York Times, however, Israeli historian Tom Segev dismissed the book as “of little scholarly value” due to the “lack of solid evidence” for its theories.

Last year, Barry Rubin and Wolfgang Schwanitz published “Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East,” in which they contend that during their 1941 meeting in Berlin, Hitler and al-Husseini “concluded the pact of Jewish genocide in Europe and the Middle East, and immediately afterward, Hitler gave the order to prepare for the Holocaust. The next day invitations went out to thirteen Nazis for the Wannsee Conference to begin organizing the logistics of this mass murder.” The assertion in that book, too, was rejected in reviews. “The claim that al-Husaini was the hidden hand behind Adolf Hitler is implausible, even silly,” the University of Houston’s David Mikics wrote in Tablet. “Rubin and Schwanitz are historians with a political agenda: They want to show that eliminationist anti-Semitism animates the Islamic Middle East, and so they paint al-Husaini as so devilishly anti-Semitic that he can contend with Hitler himself.”

Bauer, the Israeli Holocaust historian, echoed the critique that the book makes unconvincing assertions based on “unreliable sources.”

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It's a very dangerous game to misuse history, especially Holocaust history in this manner.