Neo-Cons, Answer Me This...

[MarcATL]

If you people believe with all your heart and all your might that government is the problem, then why should the American people elect people with such beliefs to serve in government offices?

Wouldn't that be like a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

The mother of all self-conflicting interests if you will.

 

[uscitizen]

Ahh but consider the profit to be made.

 

[Si modo]

*pops head in after being called*

I wasn't aware that part of the neocon philosophy is that government is the problem.

 

[uscitizen]

*pops head in after being called*

I wasn't aware that part of the neocon philosophy is that government is the problem.

HUH?



What hole in Antarctica have you been hiding in for 30 years?

 

[Sinatra]

If you people believe with all your heart and all your might that government is the problem, then why should the American people elect people with such beliefs to serve in government offices?

Wouldn't that be like a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

The mother of all self-conflicting interests if you will.

LOL!!!!

You don't even know what a Neocon is!!


Go read a book kid!!!

 

[☭proletarian☭]

If you people believe with all your heart and all your might that government is the problem, then why should the American people elect people with such beliefs to serve in government offices?

Wouldn't that be like a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?

The mother of all self-conflicting interests if you will.

Try thinking your posts out before clicking 'submit'.

 

[uscitizen]

Smaller govt.
Less taxes.
Privitization.

Thoase have all been both classic con and neo con mantras for 30 years.

 

[MarcATL]

*pops head in after being called*

I wasn't aware that part of the neocon philosophy is that government is the problem.

Really...?


It could be said that '09 was the "Summer of the Tea-Baggers." Could it not? So all that Tea-Bagging nonsense over the last summer was over too little government in the American's people's lives?

 

[Si modo]

*pops head in after being called*

I wasn't aware that part of the neocon philosophy is that government is the problem.

Really...?


It could be said that '09 was the "Summer of the Tea-Baggers." Could it not? So all that Tea-Bagging nonsense over the last summer was over too little government in the American's people's lives?

Most Tea Partiers are no fans of neocons, Marc.

 

[MarcATL]

Sinatra...YOU'RE a neo-con.

Until conservatives start to openly hold BushCo responsible for what he and his goons did to this country, I'm throwing the lot of you in with them.

As the Honorable Nesta Marley said..."who the cap fit, let him wear it."

You brought it on yourselves.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

'Government policies are the problem' =/= 'The existence of a government is the problem'

Is Marc always this dim?

 

[MarcATL]

Smaller govt.
Less taxes.
Privitization.

Thoase have all been both classic con and neo con mantras for 30 years.

Ohhhh...NOW they want to pick and choose and ACT like they DIDN'T approve and support the Bush Regime over most of the last decade.

They RE-ELECTED that destructive summamabatch for goodness sake.

Now they act as if they don't know what happened and didn't support it as it happened.

Case closed.

Damned "Born Again Fiscally-Responsible."

*SMH*
.. ..

 

[Truthmatters]

isnt there some Ronny quote about that?

something like government is not the solution to our problems , government is the problem?

What bigger heros of the neocons is there on this planet.

 

[Sinatra]

I suggest you do some actual learnin' on the subject.

Neocons infect BOTH parties these days - and they are not conservatives. Never have been persay. The closest political affiliation to a neocon would be a "conservative" Democrat in the mold of JFK - the first true Neocon president...

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The GOP should dump the neocons
Limited-government conservatives have been undermined by big-government neoconservatives.

The founders envisioned a federal government constitutionally limited to defending our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For that to happen, we must have at least one political party that strongly advocates limiting the power of government. For much of the 19th century, that party was the Democrats. For the early part of the 20th century and from the early 1960s through 1988, that party was the Republicans.

Today, it is difficult to find noninterventionists in either party.

The Democrats demonstrate a disdain for capitalism, free trade and the validity of contracts. They cheer the restriction of certain types of speech on campus and in federal law, and think nation-building is our moral obligation, even when there is no discernible U.S. interest involved. Lately, the Democrats have been popularly associated with principled opposition to waging war in far-flung corners of the globe. But evidence on the ground today tells a somewhat different tale.


As for the GOP, it has outwardly abandoned the limited-government principles of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Little other evidence is needed than the Medicare prescription drug benefit -- with its $13-trillion unfunded liability -- passed with a strong-arm campaign by the Bush White House and a Republican congressional majority.

What happened to the Republicans? Well, the two Bush presidencies didn't help. Neither did the supply-side movement, focused on tax cuts and economic growth. Supporters of those ideas didn't talk about spending cuts, much less the proper role of government. They had the effect of replacing "liberty" as the motivating force behind the GOP with "growth," a somewhat less-inspiring ideal.

But perhaps most pernicious has been the role played by the neoconservatives. The late William F. Buckley used his conservative flagship publication, National Review, to make anti-communism the litmus test for joining the conservative movement. Dealing with the Soviets during the Cold War was clearly an important task, but it should not have opened the door of the limited-government movement to the neoconservatives, who are now -- and always have been -- advocates of big government. With the neocon foot in the policymaking door after the Cold War ended, the drumbeat for war in Iraq began in earnest a decade before 9/11.

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Full article here:


The GOP should dump the neocons - Los Angeles Times

 

[MarcATL]

isnt there some Ronny quote about that?

something like government is not the solution to our problems , government is the problem?

What bigger heros of the neocons is there on this planet.

Then when you present YouTube of their Con-God saying these things they are going to retort some BS about "out of context."

 

[Sinatra]

+

I suggest you do some actual learnin' on the subject.

Neocons infect BOTH parties these days - and they are not conservatives. Never have been persay. The closest political affiliation to a neocon would be a "conservative" Democrat in the mold of JFK - the first true Neocon president...

___

The GOP should dump the neocons
Limited-government conservatives have been undermined by big-government neoconservatives.

The founders envisioned a federal government constitutionally limited to defending our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For that to happen, we must have at least one political party that strongly advocates limiting the power of government. For much of the 19th century, that party was the Democrats. For the early part of the 20th century and from the early 1960s through 1988, that party was the Republicans.

Today, it is difficult to find noninterventionists in either party.

The Democrats demonstrate a disdain for capitalism, free trade and the validity of contracts. They cheer the restriction of certain types of speech on campus and in federal law, and think nation-building is our moral obligation, even when there is no discernible U.S. interest involved. Lately, the Democrats have been popularly associated with principled opposition to waging war in far-flung corners of the globe. But evidence on the ground today tells a somewhat different tale.


As for the GOP, it has outwardly abandoned the limited-government principles of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Little other evidence is needed than the Medicare prescription drug benefit -- with its $13-trillion unfunded liability -- passed with a strong-arm campaign by the Bush White House and a Republican congressional majority.

What happened to the Republicans? Well, the two Bush presidencies didn't help. Neither did the supply-side movement, focused on tax cuts and economic growth. Supporters of those ideas didn't talk about spending cuts, much less the proper role of government. They had the effect of replacing "liberty" as the motivating force behind the GOP with "growth," a somewhat less-inspiring ideal.

But perhaps most pernicious has been the role played by the neoconservatives. The late William F. Buckley used his conservative flagship publication, National Review, to make anti-communism the litmus test for joining the conservative movement. Dealing with the Soviets during the Cold War was clearly an important task, but it should not have opened the door of the limited-government movement to the neoconservatives, who are now -- and always have been -- advocates of big government. With the neocon foot in the policymaking door after the Cold War ended, the drumbeat for war in Iraq began in earnest a decade before 9/11.

_____

Full article here:


The GOP should dump the neocons - Los Angeles Times

 

[California Girl]

*pops head in after being called*

I wasn't aware that part of the neocon philosophy is that government is the problem.

Really...?


It could be said that '09 was the "Summer of the Tea-Baggers." Could it not? So all that Tea-Bagging nonsense over the last summer was over too little government in the American's people's lives?

Most Tea Partiers are no fans of neocons, Marc.

According to the koolaiders, anyone not in lockstep with the liberal agenda is a neo con, mo chara.

 

[Sinatra]

JFK, neo-con.

Wrong. Jack and Bobby Kennedy had far more in common with today's neo-cons than any Democrat alive today, with the possible exception of Joe Lieberman. JFK was a passionate Cold War liberal, at a time when patriotism was not yet twisted into its opposite. Jack really did earn his combat medals, unlike copycat buffoon John F. Kerry. And Jack's eldest brother Joe died fighting in World War Two.

...A neocon is a liberal mugged by reality. Well, JFK was mugged by reality in more ways than one: By the death of brother Joe, by his own experiences in combat, and by his carefully hidden ailments. JFK actually resembled today's media's Satan Made Flesh, President George W. Bush, more than any Boomer Leftie now in a position of power. Would somebody please tell them?


...Chances are that JFK would be pretty tough on terrorists and fascist regimes rushing toward nukes. Once you're mugged by reality, you just don't want it to happen again.


Scratch John F. Kennedy and your find a neocon.


Full article here:


American Thinker: JFK, neo-con.

 

[California Girl]

'Government policies are the problem' =/= 'The existence of a government is the problem'

Is Marc always this dim?

Yes.

 

[Sinatra]

It is remarkable how little of even the current history some in here know.

This thread is a fantastic example of how a term such as neocon is utilized incorrectly over and over and over again due to sheer, lazy, intellectual ignorance...