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I’ve told no one those things. You have quite the imagination.
Nearly all of recent COVID deaths are among the unvaccinated
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Viruses don't transfer when you're wearing a mask. Flu season is a non issue in countries with customary mask wearing. While we were experiencing 40 million cases of the flu here and having 60,000 deaths, places like Japan had 1400 deaths from the flu in 2016. It's no coincidence. In south korea, they only had a few hundred cases in 2019 with a population of over 51 million. Only in America and other western nations does influenza reach massive epic proportions.
I don't know if you have or not. That was just stuff off the top of my head i've heard constantly from antivaxxers. I'm pretty positive you've said other things equally as insane since you constantly link antivax and conspiracy theory websites and you agree with every wacky thing they say.
The vaccinated will have mostly antibody protection induced by the vaccine. Those antibodies protect only against one variant. Also they out compete and live longer than the natural antibodies that protect against all variants. With new mutations the vaccinated may need booster after booster to stay alive for some time.
Also the vaccinated are gain of function laboratories. Not a good idea to use mass vaccination during a pandemic. It is only a matter of time before we see a vaccine resistant variant. This is what Geert Vanden Bossche says and what Robert Malone seem to agree with.
Also the vaccinated are gain of function laboratories. Not a good idea to use mass vaccination during a pandemic. It is only a matter of time before we see a vaccine resistant variant. This is what Geert Vanden Bossche says and what Robert Malone seem to agree with.
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SweetSue92
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Airborne viruses like Covid 19 absolutely transfer when you're wearing the kind of masks the CDC recommends.
I agree with your post with exception of your first sentence, "Viruses don't transfer when you're wearing a mask." It would be correct to say that masks can significantly reduce transfer of viral particles but they don't stop all transfer. The only mask that can do that are those with their own air supply which are used in medical isolation units. I read somewhere that it typically takes at least a viral load of about 500 Covid-19 viral particles to start a symptomatic infection, so masks don't have to be perfect to reduce the spread of a disease.
Mask wearing is common in some Asian countries and certainly reduces transmission of airborne diseases. Years ago when I was in Japan, most people would not stay home from work or school when they had a cold. They would just wear a mask. I expect we will see more mask wearing in the America after the epidemic. The reduction in colds and flu while wearing masks have not been lost on the American public.
There have been several studies comparing the difference in effectiveness of the vaccines between the alpha and delta variant. The following is the conclusion of a UK study first released in June 2021 and made widely available in late July 2021.
Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses. Absolute differences in vaccine effectiveness were more marked after the receipt of the first dose.
What the public needs to understand is that viruses are constantly changing and as long as a virus is out there replicating there will be new variants that can make the virus more dangerous. So reducing the spread of the virus as fast as possible is of paramount important.
The Virus that causes Covid-19 is a member of the Coronavirus family of RNA viruses that includes a lot of viruses that effect both animals and man. RNA viruses such as the coronaviruses evolve and change gradually. This is good news for makers of vaccines because an RNA vaccine such as the vaccines developed for the alpha variant are likely to be effective against future variants since there are only minor differences between the variants. And for the same reason, developing an update to a vaccine to include new variants is usually easier than developing the initial vaccine. Also FDA approvals come much faster for updates.
COVID-19
COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019. Learn about symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and prevention.
What is most important in a virus transfer is the viral load that is transferred. Masks are helpful in reducing the viral load, How helpful depends on the quality of the mask and how it is worn. However, anything that can done to reduce the viral load, social distancing, masks, good ventilation, and avoiding crowded rooms will help. When it comes to preventing the infection, vaccines are the easiest, and most effective method. You only do the vaccine once, maybe twice if there is an update. The effectiveness of vaccines have been proven in the lab, in clinical trials, and in the results of over 200 million vaccinations which reduced deaths due to Covid over 90% in 6 mos.
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SweetSue92
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Explain how, in a typical indoor space, masks reduce the "viral load" of an AIRBORNE VIRUS. You made the claim. You support it.
PS let's imagine this. A virus that basically propels on vapor--think the fog that comes out when it's really cold--is going to be contained in ANY kind of mask that's not a self-contained respirator for any length of time? Are you kidding me
First of all, the virus is not spread in a vapor. A vapor is a gas. Most of the virus is spread in or on large droplets coming from the mouth or nose. A small amount of the virus may be spread as an aerosol, which is probably the word you are looking for instead of vapor.
Just talking in a normal voice for 10 secs will expel over 750 droplets at about 10mph. A cough can travel as fast as 50 mph and expel almost 3,000 droplets in just one go. A single Sneeze wins. It can travel up to 100 mph and create upwards of 100,000 droplets. Knowing this let's look at what masks do.
Anything you cover your mouth and nose with, your sleeve, a handkerchief, or mask is going o provide two vital functions in preventing the spread of these virus loaded droplets.
- Filtering- Most droplets you expel from your mouth or nose carrying the virus are going to be large compared to the virus riding in and on them. Singing, coughing, and sneezing will cause you to expel very large droplets, much lager than the openings in most masks. Good masks will multiple layers will catch 50% or more of the droplets. Poorer masks such as bandanas will catch about 25%
- Velocity - Collisions of droplets with the mask and other droplets will reduce the velocity from 10% to 75% and will created a dispersion sending droplets in different directions. This is important because it increases the distance needed for infection and reduces the density of droplets.
How Fast Is a Sneeze Versus a Cough? Cover Your Mouth Either Way!
Coughing and sneezing are just some of the more interesting and complicated ways the body works to protect your lungs from contamination, and these methods are performed with a surprising speed and ef
www.lung.org
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SweetSue92
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First of all, the virus is not spread in a vapor. A vapor is a gas. Most of the virus is spread in or on large droplets coming from the mouth or noise. A small amount of the virus may be spread as an aerosol.
Just talking in a normal voice for 10 secs will expel over 750 droplets at about 10mph. A cough can travel as fast as 50 mph and expel almost 3,000 droplets in just one go. A single Sneeze wins. It can travel up to 100 mph and create upwards of 100,000 droplets. Knowing this let's look at what masks do.
Anything you cover your mouth and nose with, your sleeve, a handkerchief, or mask is going o provide two vital functions in preventing the spread of these virus loaded droplets.
The bottom line is any of the mask types recommended by the CDC will do a good job of filtering droplets and reducing velocity of droplets, being expelled which creates a much safer environment for other. However, for the recipient of the unwanted viral load, the masks provided limited protection because air that enters the mask form the sides goes unfiltered. So if you have a good mask that fits tightly around your face it should provide you with pretty good protect. If the mask gaps at the sides or is single layer material it will provide little protection for the wearer. Thus the slogan, "I wear a mask for you, and you wear a mask for me."
- Filtering- Most droplets you expel from your mouth or nose are going to be large compared to the virus riding in and on them. Singing, coughing, and sneezing will cause you to expel very large droplets, much lager than the openings in most masks. Good masks will multiple layers will catch 50% or more of the droplets. Poorer masks such as bandanas will catch about 25%
- Velocity - Collisions of droplets with the mask and other droplets will reduce the velocity from 10% to 75% and will created a a dispersion sending droplets in different directions. This is important because it increases the distance needed for infection and reduces the density of droplets.
How Fast Is a Sneeze Versus a Cough? Cover Your Mouth Either Way!
Coughing and sneezing are just some of the more interesting and complicated ways the body works to protect your lungs from contamination, and these methods are performed with a surprising speed and ef
A link with proof that MOST of the virus is spread in droplets and is not airborne.
People release respiratory fluids during exhalation (e.g., quiet breathing, speaking, singing, exercise, coughing, sneezing) in the form of droplets across a spectrum of sizes.1-9 These droplets carry virus and transmit infection.
- The largest droplets settle out of the air rapidly, within seconds to minutes.
- The smallest very fine droplets, and aerosol particles formed when these fine droplets rapidly dry, are small enough that they can remain suspended in the air for minutes to hours.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
There have been several studies comparing the difference in effectiveness of the vaccines between the alpha and delta variant. The following is the conclusion of a UK study first released in June 2021 and made widely available in late July 2021.
Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses. Absolute differences in vaccine effectiveness were more marked after the receipt of the first dose.
What the public needs to understand is that viruses are constantly changing and as long as a virus is out there replicating there will be new variants that can make the virus more dangerous. So reducing the spread of the virus as fast as possible is of paramount important.
The Virus that causes Covid-19 is a member of the Coronavirus family of RNA viruses that includes a lot of viruses that effect both animals and man. RNA viruses such as the coronaviruses evolve and change gradually. This is good news for makers of vaccines because an RNA vaccine such as the vaccines developed for the alpha variant are likely to be effective against future variants since there are only minor differences between the variants. And for the same reason, developing an update to a vaccine to include new variants is usually easier than developing the initial vaccine. Also FDA approvals come much faster for updates.
COVID-19
COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019. Learn about symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and prevention.www.hopkinsmedicine.org
That's interesting. It's good that to know that someone has done a study and came up with an actual number to show the difference in efficacy.
The virus travels in droplets that come from our mouths, and not as vapor. If it doesn't get pass the mask in any significant way then that is where is it contained.
SweetSue92
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People release respiratory fluids during exhalation (e.g., quiet breathing, speaking, singing, exercise, coughing, sneezing) in the form of droplets across a spectrum of sizes.1-9 These droplets carry virus and transmit infection.
- The largest droplets settle out of the air rapidly, within seconds to minutes.
- The smallest very fine droplets, and aerosol particles formed when these fine droplets rapidly dry, are small enough that they can remain suspended in the air for minutes to hours.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
From your very same document. The #1 way the disease is transmitted:
The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is through exposure to respiratory fluids carrying infectious virus. Exposure occurs in three principal ways: (1) inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles,
SweetSue92
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Not droplets. Aerosolized particles that you can think of as fine as a vapor, that the masks we wear do NOTHING to mitigate. Full stop
yes, those particles are called droplets.
Masks substantially reduce exhaled respiratory droplets and aerosols from infected wearers and reduce exposure of uninfected wearers to these particles.
Maximizing Fit for Cloth and Medical Procedure Masks ...
The false information that the Covid virus is spread only thru aerosols has been created based on the false assumption that masks can not stop aerosols thus masks are ineffective. The efficiency of a mask at stopping both larger droplets and aerosols depending on the quality of mask and how well if fits. Liquid or solid particles <5–10 μm in diameter are classed as aerosol-size. N95 and KN95 will filter down 1-3μm so they will definitely filter aerosols. Good quality cloth masks will stop some of aerosols via collisions and absorption but are most effective on larger particles.
Scientist are primary concerned with larger droplet transmission rather aerosols for several reasons. First being the viral load in an aerosol droplet is very low compared larger droplets which can 10 to over 1000μm Second, aerosol droplets dry out very fast often in seconds while larger droplets can last days.
Frontiers | Aerosol Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: Physical Principles and Implications
Evidence has emerged that SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, can be transmitted airborne in aerosol particles as well as in larger droplets or...
www.frontiersin.org
The bottom line is that Covid-19 can be spread by both aerosols and larger droplets but good quality masks properly fitted are effective against both.
You left off the last part of the sentence as well as the link.
(2) deposition of respiratory droplets and particles on exposed mucous membranes in the mouth, nose, or eye by direct splashes and sprays, and (3) touching mucous membranes with hands that have been soiled either directly by virus-containing respiratory fluids or indirectly by touching surfaces with virus on them.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
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