Nazis were Catholic?

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

There is no clergy or religion which doesn't align itself with with any despot or tyrant.

As if it's only uber-Religious who are despots, and tyrants, except then there's all the despots, and tyrants who were Atheists, particularly Commie ones.

 

[irosie91]

There was no "official" Nazi religion. The demographics at the time were like 60/40 Protestant vs Catholic among the religious types. There was considerable disagreement among the Nazi leadership about religion, some considering "true christianity" to be necessary to the fight against the Jews, others being radically anti-church like Goebbels, and some even professing to be occultists, Himmler was one such.

Hitler himself was born and raised Catholic but there is no evidence he was devote in any way

Goebbels and his weird wife Magda were practicing catholics in
good standing. Weird but true. Most of the big shots in the system
were catholic by birth but not so DEVOUT as the Goebbels. Eichmann
was Protestant by birth. Catholicism did not seem to play much of a role
in Adolf's philosophy-----he did not like it in the same way Luther did not
like it------too jewish

Goebbels abandoned the Catholic Church very publicly in 1938. Reviled them in fact. From that point on he was almost rabidly anti-church. I don't really know about Eichmann and I agree on Hitler.

you got a link to Goebbels abandoning the catholic church in 1938? Magda of the cyanide seemed to be very devout at least some time in her life

 

[Crepitus]

There was no "official" Nazi religion. The demographics at the time were like 60/40 Protestant vs Catholic among the religious types. There was considerable disagreement among the Nazi peadershit about religion, some considering "true christianity" to be necessary to the fight against the Jews, others being radically anti-church like Goebbels, and some even professing to be occultists, Himmler was one such.

Hitler himself was born and raised Catholic but there is no evidence he was devote in any way

Hitler & Himmler seemed to favor Islam over Catholicism, regardless of them being raised as "Catholics".

Gonna hafta link that, 'cause I've never heard anything like it.

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By
Dominic Green
Jan. 16, 2015 3:55 p.m. ET



‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

For decades, historians have seen...


Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.

 

[sparky]

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wola massacre - Wikipedia

The Wola massacre (Polish: Rzeź Woli, "Wola slaughter") was the systematic killing of between 40,000 and 50,000 people in the Wola district of Poland's capital city Warsaw by German troops and collaborationist forces during the early phase of the Warsaw Uprising.


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The Heuaktion (German: literally: harvesting of hay, or hay operation)[1] was a Nazi German World War II operation, in which 40,000 to 50,000 Polish children aged 10 to 14 were kidnapped by the German occupational forces and transported to Germany proper as slave labourers.[2] The term "heuaktion" was an acronym for homeless, parent-less and unhoused (heimatlos, elternlos, unterkunftslos, i.e. "HEU", or the hay action).[



Heuaktion - Wikipedia

Operation Tannenberg
Unternehmen Tannenberg

Operation Tannenberg, 20 October 1939, the mass murder of Polish townsmen in western Poland
Location German-occupied Poland
Date September 1939 – January 1940
Target Poles
Attack type
Genocidal massacre, mass shooting
Weapons Automatic weapons
Deaths 20,000 deaths in 760 mass executions by SS Einsatzgruppen
Perpetrators Nazi Germany
Operation Tannenberg (German: Unternehmen Tannenberg) was a codename for one of the extermination actions by Nazi Germany that was directed at the Poles during the opening stages of World War II in Europe, part of the Generalplan Ost for the German colonization of the East. The shootings were conducted with the use of a proscription list (Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen), compiled by the Gestapo in the span of two years before the 1939 invasion.[1]

The top secret lists identified more than 61,000 members of the Polish elite: activists, intelligentsia, scholars, clergy, actors, former officers, and others, who were to be interned or shot. Members of the German minority living in Poland assisted in preparing the lists.[1] It is estimated that up to 20,000 Germans living in Poland belonged to organizations involved in various forms of subversion.[2]

Operation Tannenberg - Wikipedia


Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany - Wikipedia

The Roman Catholic Church suffered persecution in Nazi Germany. The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity and the party leadership hoped to dechristianize Germany in the long term. Clergy were watched closely, and frequently denounced, arrested and sent to concentration camps. Welfare institutions were interfered with or transferred to state control. Catholic schools, press, trade unions, political parties and youth leagues were eradicated. Anti-Catholic propaganda and "morality" trials were staged. Monasteries and convents were targeted for expropriation. Prominent Catholic lay leaders were murdered, and thousands of Catholic activists were arrested.

In all, an estimated one third of German priests faced some form of reprisal in Nazi Germany and 400 German priests were sent to the dedicated Priest Barracks of Dachau Concentration Camp. Persecution of the Church in Germany was at its most severe in the annexed Polish regions. Here the Nazis set about systematically dismantling the Church and most priests were murdered, deported or forced to flee. Of 2,720 clergy imprisoned at Dachau from Germany and occupied territories, the some 2,579 (or 94.88%) were Catholic.


Anti-Catholicism - Wikipedia

The Catholic Church faced repression in Nazi Germany (1933-1945). Hitler despised the Church although he had been brought up in a Catholic home. The long term aim of the Nazis was to de-Christianise Germany and restore Germanic paganism.[62][63][64][65][66][67][68][69][70] Richard J. Evans writes that Hitler believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, and he stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition". Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and "Priests, he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks'".[71] Nazi ideology desired the subordination of the church to the state and could not accept an autonomous establishment, whose legitimacy did not spring from the government.[72] From the beginning, the Catholic Church faced general persecution, regimentation and oppression.[73] Aggressive anti-Church radicals like Joseph Goebbels and Martin Bormann saw the conflict with the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-church and anti-clerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.[74] To many Nazis, Catholics were suspected of insufficient patriotism, or even of disloyalty to the Fatherland, and of serving the interests of "sinister alien forces".[75]

Adolf Hitler had some regard for the organisational power of Catholicism, but towards its teachings he showed only the sharpest hostility, calling them "the systematic cultivation of the human failure":[76] To Hitler, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves and he detested its ethics. Alan Bullock wrote: "Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest". From political considerations, Hitler was prepared to restrain his anti-clericalism, seeing danger in strengthening the Church by persecution, but intended a show-down after the war.[77] Joseph Goebbels, the Minister for Propaganda, led the Nazi persecution of the Catholic clergy and wrote that there was "an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a heroic-German world view".[74] Hitler's chosen deputy, Martin Bormann, was a rigid guardian of Nazi orthodoxy and saw Christianity and Nazism as "incompatible", as did the official Nazi philosopher, Alfred Rosenberg, who wrote in Myth of the Twentieth Century (1930) that Catholics were among the chief enemies of the Germans.[78][79][80] In 1934, the Sanctum Officium put Rosenberg's book on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (forbidden books list of the Church) for scorning and rejecting "all dogmas of the Catholic Church, indeed the very fundamentals of the Christian religion".[81]

The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.[82] Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism, rounding up members of the Catholic aligned Bavarian People's Party and Catholic Centre Party, which ceased to exist in early July 1933. Vice Chancellor Papen meanwhile, amid continuing molestation of Catholic clergy and organisations, negotiated a Reich concordat with the Holy See, which prohibited clergy from participating in politics.[83][84] Hitler then proceeded to close all Catholic institutions whose functions weren't strictly religious:[85]

It quickly became clear that [Hitler] intended to imprison the Catholics, as it were, in their own churches. They could celebrate mass and retain their rituals as much as they liked, but they could have nothing at all to do with German society otherwise. Catholic schools and newspapers were closed, and a propaganda campaign against the Catholics was launched.

— Extract from An Honourable Defeat by Anton Gill
Almost immediately after agreeing the Concordat, the Nazis promulgated their sterilization law, an offensive policy in the eyes of the Catholic Church and moved to dissolve the Catholic Youth League. Clergy, nuns and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality".[86] In Hitler's Night of the Long Knives purge, Erich Klausener, the head of Catholic Action, was assassinated.[87] Adalbert Probst, national director of the Catholic Youth Sports Association, Fritz Gerlich, editor of Munich's Catholic weekly and Edgar Jung, one of the authors of the Marburg speech, were among the other Catholic opposition figures killed in the purge.[88]

By 1937, the church hierarchy in Germany, which had initially attempted to co-operate with the new government, had become highly disillusioned. In March, Pope Pius XI issued the Mit brennender Sorge encyclical - accusing the Nazis of violations of the Concordat, and of sowing the "tares of suspicion, discord, hatred, calumny, of secret and open fundamental hostility to Christ and His Church". The Pope noted on the horizon the "threatening storm clouds" of religious wars of extermination over Germany.[86] The Nazis responded with, an intensification of the Church Struggle.[74] There were mass arrests of clergy and church presses were expropriated.[89] Goebbels renewed the regime's crackdown and propaganda against Catholics. By 1939 all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities.[90] By 1941, all Church press had been banned.

 

[bullwinkle]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.

 

[rightwinger]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

Some were Catholic, the rest Protestant

They worked their Nazi beliefs into it.

 

[Lysistrata]

Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.

 

[Crepitus]

There was no "official" Nazi religion. The demographics at the time were like 60/40 Protestant vs Catholic among the religious types. There was considerable disagreement among the Nazi leadership about religion, some considering "true christianity" to be necessary to the fight against the Jews, others being radically anti-church like Goebbels, and some even professing to be occultists, Himmler was one such.

Hitler himself was born and raised Catholic but there is no evidence he was devote in any way

Goebbels and his weird wife Magda were practicing catholics in
good standing. Weird but true. Most of the big shots in the system
were catholic by birth but not so DEVOUT as the Goebbels. Eichmann
was Protestant by birth. Catholicism did not seem to play much of a role
in Adolf's philosophy-----he did not like it in the same way Luther did not
like it------too jewish

Goebbels abandoned the Catholic Church very publicly in 1938. Reviled them in fact. From that point on he was almost rabidly anti-church. I don't really know about Eichmann and I agree on Hitler.

you got a link to Goebbels abandoning the catholic church in 1938? Magda of the cyanide seemed to be very devout at least some time in her life

I may be incorrect. I was sure I had read that somewhere but I cannot find any corroborating evidence. There is a lot of speculation on his views but I can find nothing really concrete either way.

 

[harmonica]

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

 

[rightwinger]

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Am I to take this as this is another opportunity to condemn the Jews?

 

[irosie91]

There was no "official" Nazi religion. The demographics at the time were like 60/40 Protestant vs Catholic among the religious types. There was considerable disagreement among the Nazi peadershit about religion, some considering "true christianity" to be necessary to the fight against the Jews, others being radically anti-church like Goebbels, and some even professing to be occultists, Himmler was one such.

Hitler himself was born and raised Catholic but there is no evidence he was devote in any way

Hitler & Himmler seemed to favor Islam over Catholicism, regardless of them being raised as "Catholics".

Gonna hafta link that, 'cause I've never heard anything like it.

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By
Dominic Green
Jan. 16, 2015 3:55 p.m. ET



‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

For decades, historians have seen...


Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

 

[bullwinkle]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.

Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

There was no "official" Nazi religion. The demographics at the time were like 60/40 Protestant vs Catholic among the religious types. There was considerable disagreement among the Nazi peadershit about religion, some considering "true christianity" to be necessary to the fight against the Jews, others being radically anti-church like Goebbels, and some even professing to be occultists, Himmler was one such.

Hitler himself was born and raised Catholic but there is no evidence he was devote in any way

Hitler & Himmler seemed to favor Islam over Catholicism, regardless of them being raised as "Catholics".

Gonna hafta link that, 'cause I've never heard anything like it.

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By
Dominic Green
Jan. 16, 2015 3:55 p.m. ET



‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

For decades, historians have seen...


Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??

 

[irosie91]

Hitler & Himmler seemed to favor Islam over Catholicism, regardless of them being raised as "Catholics".

Gonna hafta link that, 'cause I've never heard anything like it.

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By
Dominic Green
Jan. 16, 2015 3:55 p.m. ET



‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

For decades, historians have seen...


Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??

what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

 

[irosie91]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.

Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Gonna hafta link that, 'cause I've never heard anything like it.

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By
Dominic Green
Jan. 16, 2015 3:55 p.m. ET



‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

For decades, historians have seen...


Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.

Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*

What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??

what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.

It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.

Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.