NATO chief Mark Rutte has warned the United States that China is building its military at rapid speed - nearly 200 times faster than America.

[shockedcanadian]

Again, called this out years ago, probably in 2018 when I posted the increase of their budgets which on a PPP basis surpassed the U.S.

When are we going to stop funding Chinas weapons which will kill millions of us? Wake the hell up.

MSN

NATO chief Mark Rutte has warned the United States that China is building its military at rapid speed - nearly 200 times faster than America. The secretary general said China has specifically been building ships equipped with sophisticated weapons faster than the US and its western allies, making him 'really worried.' Rutte's concerns come after China's President Xi Jinping hosted a massive military parade attended by autocrats including Russia 's President Vladimir Putin and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un


Trump responded by accusing the Chinese, Russian and North Korean leaders of using the gathering to conspire against America, and the showcase of military might is widely being seen as a challenge to the US-led world order. During a NATO defense summit in Prague today, Rutte warned that the US needs to be more prepared militarily. 'When it comes to shipbuilding, and our navy - and particularly the US Navy - I'm really worried,' Rutte said. 'China now has more ships sailing than the US, and shipbuilding in the US is not at a rate that they can anywhere catch up on what China is doing at the moment.'


Nick Childs, a senior fellow for naval forces and maritime security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which is hosting the conference, echoed Rutte's concerns. 'The Chinese shipbuilding capacity is something like 200 times overall that of the United States,' Childs recently told the BBC , adding that American shipbuilding has been affected by surging costs and delays. Although the shipbuilding market is expanding in Europe, Rutte said 'we need much more if we collectively want to fill that gap

 

[whitehall]

NATO chiefs come and go. Their opinions are usually based on the current political climate. Bill Clinton found a socialist NATO chief who gave him the authorization to bomb a defenseless country after he was accused of rape by a credible victim.

 

[Deadstick]

Again, called this out years ago, probably in 2018 when I posted the increase of their budgets which on a PPP basis surpassed the U.S.

When are we going to stop funding Chinas weapons which will kill millions of us? Wake the hell up.

MSN

NATO chief Mark Rutte has warned the United States that China is building its military at rapid speed - nearly 200 times faster than America. The secretary general said China has specifically been building ships equipped with sophisticated weapons faster than the US and its western allies, making him 'really worried.' Rutte's concerns come after China's President Xi Jinping hosted a massive military parade attended by autocrats including Russia 's President Vladimir Putin and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un


Trump responded by accusing the Chinese, Russian and North Korean leaders of using the gathering to conspire against America, and the showcase of military might is widely being seen as a challenge to the US-led world order. During a NATO defense summit in Prague today, Rutte warned that the US needs to be more prepared militarily. 'When it comes to shipbuilding, and our navy - and particularly the US Navy - I'm really worried,' Rutte said. 'China now has more ships sailing than the US, and shipbuilding in the US is not at a rate that they can anywhere catch up on what China is doing at the moment.'


Nick Childs, a senior fellow for naval forces and maritime security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which is hosting the conference, echoed Rutte's concerns. 'The Chinese shipbuilding capacity is something like 200 times overall that of the United States,' Childs recently told the BBC , adding that American shipbuilding has been affected by surging costs and delays. Although the shipbuilding market is expanding in Europe, Rutte said 'we need much more if we collectively want to fill that gap

So what? if there is one thing the US hate it's the ability for independent Countries to defend themelves.

 

[shockedcanadian]

So what? if there is one thing the US hate it's the ability for independent Countries to defend themelves.

There is a big difference between defense and expansion with purpose. Does China recognize the independent nation of Taiwan?

China has stated openly they will take Taiwan and they've pressured the world to not even acknowledge this nation with its own language, currency and political system.

The West needs to be prepared as it had NOT been prepared for Russia.

 

[Mushroom]

Again, called this out years ago, probably in 2018 when I posted the increase of their budgets which on a PPP basis surpassed the U.S.

Does not really matter in the end.

Their military is vastly untrained and inexperienced when compared to their US and NATO counterparts. Hell, the last time the Chinese military even saw combat was all the way back in 1979. Their amount of equipment may be more numerous than the US, but it's largely of the quality of Alibaba or iWish, and does not even come close to the quality of what the US uses.

The total aircraft complement of all of the Chinese carriers combined is about the same as a single Nimitz class carrier. None of their crews are experienced, especially in the kinds of operations that need to be done in the event of a conflict with the US or any other NATO power.

And while it is true that "quantity has a quality all it's own", China in no way has the quantity that would make a difference against the US. Yes, China has a total of around 1,500 fighter aircraft, compared to the US with just under 1,300. But many of those are quite old, and what are considered to be inferior domestic copies of Soviet-Russian aircraft. Like the J-11, a domestic copy of the Su-27. They are still building those, and is often considered to be their most advanced and reliable fighter.

And to put it in perspective, the Su-27 was built by the USSR in 1982 in response to the F-14 and F-15. The F-14 has been retired for almost two decades now. And they stopped manufacturing the F-15 almost three decades ago. The job of a front line air to air interceptor is now primarily the job of the F-22 and the F-35A.

In almost all areas, they are realistically and functionally one to three generations older than what the US uses. And with absolutely nobody with any kind of combat experience, they likely would perform far worse than even the US air forces at the outbreak of US involvement in WWII. With their ground and naval forces being just as bad if not worse.

It does not matter how much they spend, they still have absolutely no better of an idea how to actually use their military than they did in the Korean War. Or in their own Civil War.

 

[Failzero]

They want to have a 20 Carrier Fleet in 15 years

 

[Mushroom]

They want to have a 20 Carrier Fleet in 15 years

So what?

They barely even use the ones they have now. Like a great many of their ships, they spend almost all of their time in port, and are used more like an up-gunned coast guard than an actual blue water Navy.

Even with a "20 carrier fleet", they will still be almost insignificant to the US Navy. Their largest carrier is roughly on par with the Kitty Hawk class, which was designed back in the 1950s. And the aircraft they carry are the J-15, a Chinese made copy of the old Soviet Su-33 which first entered service in 1987. And is itself largely just an upgrade to the Su-27 from 1982.

It does not matter how many Alibaba or iWish carriers and destroyers they have. Their UNREP is a complete joke, and they can't seem to be able to do "Fleet Ops" for any period of time beyond two weeks.

 

[Failzero]

So what?

They barely even use the ones they have now. Like a great many of their ships, they spend almost all of their time in port, and are used more like an up-gunned coast guard than an actual blue water Navy.

Even with a "20 carrier fleet", they will still be almost insignificant to the US Navy. Their largest carrier is roughly on par with the Kitty Hawk class, which was designed back in the 1950s. And the aircraft they carry are the J-15, a Chinese made copy of the old Soviet Su-33 which first entered service in 1987. And is itself largely just an upgrade to the Su-27 from 1982.

It does not matter how many Alibaba or iWish carriers and destroyers they have. Their UNREP is a complete joke, and they can't seem to be able to do "Fleet Ops" for any period of time beyond two weeks.

If they build 6 large Landing ships that might count ?

 

[Mushroom]

If they build 6 large Landing ships that might count ?

Might count as what, six large landing ships?

 

[Failzero]

Might count as what, six large landing ships?

We have 3 ( one is ancient)

 

[Mushroom]

We have 3 ( one is ancient)

Wow, your saying that simply screams that you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about.

If by "we" you mean the US, they actually have 11 of them.

The newest is the America Class LHA, and there are 2 out of 11 already in service, with another 2 to be completed in the next 5 years.

Then there's the Wasp Class LHD, 8 completed between 1989 and 2009, one retired.

The only "ancient" are the two Blue Ridge class LCC command ships, which entered service in 1970 and 1971.

So obviously you are not talking about the US, so who is the "we", and what are the three ships?

Oh, and an LHA or LHD is not a "Landing Ship", those are Amphibious Warfare Ships. Unless you are talking about something like an LCAC or Mike Boat, that's an LPD, LSD, LST, or something along those lines. The very fact that you do not seem to be able to tell one class of a ship apart from another really does show you do not have a clue what you are talking about.

But the first thing to remember, if there is an "H" in the hull classification, that means it was designed to support multiple helicopters. Which also means it can support VSTOL fighters and other aircraft. No "H" in the designation, then it's just an amphibious transport (and normally some form of dock ship). That is why if you look at the two amphibious assault ships I served on, one was a Landing Ship Dock (USS Whidbey Island LSD-41). And that actually is a "Landing Ship", as it can pull in close to shore and offload it's cargo onto a beach.

And the other I served on was an LHD, specifically the USS Iwo Jima, LHD-7. It was designed with a well deck to support actual landing craft, as well as a large helicopter deck that could support multiple helicopters as well as the AV8B and F-35B fighters in addition to the MV-22 Osprey and other fixed wing aircraft.

Where as I give the actual ships and ship classes. Along with actual construction numbers and launch dates. You simply make crap up and throw it out, thinking nobody will bother to check if what you say is accurate or not.

 

[Failzero]

Wow, your saying that simply screams that you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about.

If by "we" you mean the US, they actually have 11 of them.

The newest is the America Class LHA, and there are 2 out of 11 already in service, with another 2 to be completed in the next 5 years.

Then there's the Wasp Class LHD, 8 completed between 1989 and 2009, one retired.

The only "ancient" are the two Blue Ridge class LCC command ships, which entered service in 1970 and 1971.

So obviously you are not talking about the US, so who is the "we", and what are the three ships?

Oh, and an LHA or LHD is not a "Landing Ship", those are Amphibious Warfare Ships. Unless you are talking about something like an LCAC or Mike Boat, that's an LPD, LSD, LST, or something along those lines. The very fact that you do not seem to be able to tell one class of a ship apart from another really does show you do not have a clue what you are talking about.

But the first thing to remember, if there is an "H" in the hull classification, that means it was designed to support multiple helicopters. Which also means it can support VSTOL fighters and other aircraft. No "H" in the designation, then it's just an amphibious transport (and normally some form of dock ship). That is why if you look at the two amphibious assault ships I served on, one was a Landing Ship Dock (USS Whidbey Island LSD-41). And that actually is a "Landing Ship", as it can pull in close to shore and offload it's cargo onto a beach.

And the other I served on was an LHD, specifically the USS Iwo Jima, LHD-7. It was designed with a well deck to support actual landing craft, as well as a large helicopter deck that could support multiple helicopters as well as the AV8B and F-35B fighters in addition to the MV-22 Osprey and other fixed wing aircraft.

Where as I give the actual ships and ship classes. Along with actual construction numbers and launch dates. You simply make crap up and throw it out, thinking nobody will bother to check if what you say is accurate or not.

How many do we have like the one that was accidentally burned up ( Scorched ) some years back while docked ( Exactly like that one )

 

[Mushroom]

How many do we have like the one that was accidentally burned up ( Scorched ) some years back while docked ( Exactly like that one )

I already said that, we have 7 of them.

The ship you ask about is the USS Bonhomme Richard, LHD-6. The sixth out of eight Wasp class amphibious assault ships. That is why I listed one of the eight as being "Retired".
What, you can't even do any kind of basic research to even find out what ship that was, what class, or how many in the class were made?

So what are the three that you are trying to talk about? As I said, it's obvious you really know nothing about amphibious ships, and how many we actually have.

It's rather pathetic when you refuse to answer when asked questions, and then demand answers to questions that are really simple to answer.





I suggest you actually take the time to actually do some research and learn about things before trying to sound off about them in the future.

 

[Failzero]

I already said that, we have 7 of them.

The ship you ask about is the USS Bonhomme Richard, LHD-6. The sixth out of eight Wasp class amphibious assault ships. That is why I listed one of the eight as being "Retired".
What, you can't even do any kind of basic research to even find out what ship that was, what class, or how many in the class were made?

So what are the three that you are trying to talk about? As I said, it's obvious you really know nothing about amphibious ships, and how many we actually have.

It's rather pathetic when you refuse to answer when asked questions, and then demand answers to questions that are really simple to answer.





I suggest you actually take the time to actually do some research and learn about things before trying to sound off about them in the future.

So why do you discount a 20 Carrier Fleet in 15 years of the Chinese and them having more amphibious assault Ships Than us in same timeframe ? Or is it you doubt what they say they will do ??

 

[Mushroom]

So why do you discount a 20 Carrier Fleet in 15 years of the Chinese and them having more amphibious assault Ships Than us in same timeframe ? Or is it you doubt what they say they will do ??

An Amphibious Assault Ship is not a Carrier. Just like an Armored Personnel Carrier is not a Tank, and a Destroyer or Cruiser is not a Battleship.

Why do you constantly try and mix and match ships together that are not the same at all?

Here is a big clue, not all of the Chinese Aircraft Carriers are really Aircraft Carriers. The Liaoning is an "Aircraft Carrying Heavy Missile Cruiser". The aircraft on ships like that, an LHA, a Helicopter Destroyer, or any other similar class of ships are not intended to fulfill the roles of the aircraft on an Aircraft Carrier.

On a carrier, the purpose of the aircraft is to conduct strike missions. The primary role on all other ships with flight decks is actually to provide a CAP to help defend the ship from inbound enemy fighters. They simply do not have enough on board to actually be used to conduct air strikes.

The exception is those on the amphibious ships. There it is both to provide a CAP, and to conduct ground strikes against land targets in support of the Marines on board if they have to land on a hostile beach.

I could not care less if they build 20 amphibious ships or not. The PLAN is largely a joke, and everybody knows it. They do not conduct fleet operations, and spend over 80% of their time tied up on the docks. Their UNREP is an absolute joke, and they are not used in any way like a true "Blue Water Navy". They are simply an upgunned coast guard that almost never operates outside of their own territorial waters (or waters that they claim is theirs).

You can spin around all you like, all you are doing is repeatedly showing that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh, and I am still waiting for you to inform us of which Navy only has 3 LHA-LPD class ships. I have asked you to back up that claim multiple times, and for some reason you keep avoiding it. Maybe because you know you just pulled that out of your ass and know it's not true at all.

 

[Ringo]

China has officially announced the completion of the first tests using electromagnetic catapults on its newest aircraft carrier, the Fujian. During the training, the ship facilitated the takeoff and landing of three key types of aircraft: the J-15T heavy fighter, the J-35 fifth-generation stealth fighter, and the KJ-600 long-range radar detection aircraft. These flights confirmed that the electromagnetic launch and landing system can handle different classes of deck-based aircraft and is ready for full operation.

The Fujian was launched in 2022 and has been undergoing sea trials since May 2024. It is the third aircraft carrier in the Chinese Navy and the first to be built entirely domestically with electromagnetic catapults installed. The two previous ships, Liaoning and Shandong, use ski-jump decks, which limits the choice of aircraft and take-off load. The new system allows heavier aircraft to be launched and operated intensively, bringing the Chinese fleet closer to the standards of leading maritime powers.

During the latest tests, engineers checked not only the catapult launch, but also the arresting gear — the devices responsible for landing aircraft on the deck. According to the command, this creates the basis for the transition to full-scale flights and the integration of a new air group into the ship's formations.

 

[Failzero]

China has officially announced the completion of the first tests using electromagnetic catapults on its newest aircraft carrier, the Fujian. During the training, the ship facilitated the takeoff and landing of three key types of aircraft: the J-15T heavy fighter, the J-35 fifth-generation stealth fighter, and the KJ-600 long-range radar detection aircraft. These flights confirmed that the electromagnetic launch and landing system can handle different classes of deck-based aircraft and is ready for full operation.

The Fujian was launched in 2022 and has been undergoing sea trials since May 2024. It is the third aircraft carrier in the Chinese Navy and the first to be built entirely domestically with electromagnetic catapults installed. The two previous ships, Liaoning and Shandong, use ski-jump decks, which limits the choice of aircraft and take-off load. The new system allows heavier aircraft to be launched and operated intensively, bringing the Chinese fleet closer to the standards of leading maritime powers.

During the latest tests, engineers checked not only the catapult launch, but also the arresting gear — the devices responsible for landing aircraft on the deck. According to the command, this creates the basis for the transition to full-scale flights and the integration of a new air group into the ship's formations.

They want a 20 Carrier fleet within 20 years

 

[Mac-7]

NATO chief Mark Rutte has warned the United States that China is building its military at rapid speed - nearly 200 times faster than America.​

And American consumers are giving china the money to grow its military

Shame on globalists in both parties

And the fence jockeys too

 

[Mushroom]

They want a 20 Carrier fleet within 20 years

Great, a 20 carrier fleet from iWish and Temu.

 

[AZrailwhale]

China has officially announced the completion of the first tests using electromagnetic catapults on its newest aircraft carrier, the Fujian. During the training, the ship facilitated the takeoff and landing of three key types of aircraft: the J-15T heavy fighter, the J-35 fifth-generation stealth fighter, and the KJ-600 long-range radar detection aircraft. These flights confirmed that the electromagnetic launch and landing system can handle different classes of deck-based aircraft and is ready for full operation.

The Fujian was launched in 2022 and has been undergoing sea trials since May 2024. It is the third aircraft carrier in the Chinese Navy and the first to be built entirely domestically with electromagnetic catapults installed. The two previous ships, Liaoning and Shandong, use ski-jump decks, which limits the choice of aircraft and take-off load. The new system allows heavier aircraft to be launched and operated intensively, bringing the Chinese fleet closer to the standards of leading maritime powers.

During the latest tests, engineers checked not only the catapult launch, but also the arresting gear — the devices responsible for landing aircraft on the deck. According to the command, this creates the basis for the transition to full-scale flights and the integration of a new air group into the ship's formations.

If that is an EMAL catapult, why is there steam coming from the track?