Myth #1..... Israel is "Stolen Land"

[JStone]

Israel signed them. That would make them binding.

I signed a letter to my uncle. Doesn't make it binding.

So you admit that israel's signed word is as useless as yours is?

The armistice agreement was temporary

 

[Divine Wind]

That has nothing to do with what I said, which was that whatever happens, we'll still be buying arab oil. What does Canada and its oil have to do with arabs and israelis fighting? Btw, Canada is for weenies.

As for korea, we should have never been there in the first place, plus, I don't give a shit about korea and their purchasing power. They can gobble up all the rice in China for all I care.

Sorry to interrupt your feud, but I'd like to interject some facts here:

1) Yes, the US does obtain most of its oil from Canada, but most of our trade partners in Europe and Asia do not. Guess where they get their oil and guess what would happen to our economy if their economies collapsed due to a lack of oil?

2) As anyone who has studied the last 20 years of our nation's economic history, much less the last 100, can see, our nation's wealth and status of living is dependent upon a global economy. Collapse that economy and we all suffer.

Petroleum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Middle East Oil Reserves By Country and Rank - What Are the Middle East's Oil-Rich Countries

Future of Oil

Where are the reserves?
Proved oil reserves are those quantities of oil that geological information indicates can be with reasonable certainty recovered in the future from known reservoirs. Of the trillion barrels currently estimated, 6% are in North America, 9% in Central and Latin America, 2% in Europe, 4% in Asia Pacific, 7% in Africa, 6% in the Former Soviet Union. Today, 66% of global oil reserves are in the hands of Middle Eastern regimes: Saudi Arabia (25%), Iraq (11%), Iran (8%), UAE (9%), Kuwait (9%), and Libya (2%).

What the Unrest in the Middle East Means for Global Oil Production | Mother Jones

To put the matter baldly: The world economy requires an increasing supply of affordable petroleum. The Middle East alone can provide that supply. That's why Western governments have long supported "stable" authoritarian regimes throughout the region, regularly supplying and training their security forces.

 

[Monnagonna]

That has nothing to do with what I said, which was that whatever happens, we'll still be buying arab oil. What does Canada and its oil have to do with arabs and israelis fighting? Btw, Canada is for weenies.

As for korea, we should have never been there in the first place, plus, I don't give a shit about korea and their purchasing power. They can gobble up all the rice in China for all I care.

Sorry to interrupt your feud, but I'd like to interject some facts here:

1) Yes, the US does obtain most of its oil from Canada, but most of our trade partners in Europe and Asia do not. Guess where they get their oil and guess what would happen to our economy if their economies collapsed due to a lack of oil?

2) As anyone who has studied the last 20 years of our nation's economic history, much less the last 100, can see, our nation's wealth and status of living is dependent upon a global economy. Collapse that economy and we all suffer.

Petroleum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Middle East Oil Reserves By Country and Rank - What Are the Middle East's Oil-Rich Countries

Future of Oil

What the Unrest in the Middle East Means for Global Oil Production | Mother Jones

To put the matter baldly: The world economy requires an increasing supply of affordable petroleum. The Middle East alone can provide that supply. That's why Western governments have long supported "stable" authoritarian regimes throughout the region, regularly supplying and training their security forces.

You're all way too obsessed about our economy, like we should keep invading everyone because it's good for jobs in the US? Geez, any more bogus than that and you'd make about as much sense as an izzyraeli trying to rationalize their stolen land.

 

[Divine Wind]

You're all way too obsessed about our economy, like we should keep invading everyone because it's good for jobs in the US? Geez, any more bogus than that and you'd make about as much sense as an izzyraeli trying to rationalize their stolen land.

Sorry, but that's a straw man argument. No one has advocated invading anyone for our economy. In fact, I'm advocating the direct opposite: preventing war in regions of the world which would affect the global economy. This isn't simply a matter of having a higher standard of living so people can by new XBoxes or the latest fashion magazines. For many parts of the world, it's the ability to feed their families on a subsistence level income.

As for Israel, it's their land no matter how you cut it. It's their land originally which was then lost by conquest to the Muslims or it's their land by conquest. By giving back the land the Israeli's captured when attacked by the Arabs, they were being nicer than me since I would have told the Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians to piss off.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who owns Najd?

There is a reason why I asked this question. The first mention of this village that I have seen was the mid 1500s. It was already an established village. Over these hundreds of years there were no disputes of land ownership. During the Ottoman rule, the people of Najd owned the land. After WWI, the British ruled but it did not take possession of the land. It still belonged to the people of Najd.

In 1948 BEFORE Israel declared itself to be a state and BEFORE it was attacked and had to "defend itself" it sent its military into Najd driving the people out of their homes and off their land. Israel now claims ownership of this land that the people of Najd had owned for many generations.

Well, if only Israel was not attacked, or do you debate the fact there was a war as well? Oh well. Nice to see some anger leading Muslims to loose things.

It is interesting that you would mention this. The 1948 war was called the "phony war" by British General Glubb Pasha. He was the Commander in Chief of the Jordanian (and Iraqi) forces. He had 46 British officers in his command. A deal was made that Jordan would get the West Bank but their forces were not to engage the Israeli forces. The Jordanian forces moved in to occupy the West Bank but did not attack Israel.

Lebanon reclaimed two of its villages that were taken by Israel but never crossed its border.

Syria moved into Palestine a little way for a few days then left.

There were no attacks by Jordan.

Egypt managed to keep Israel from taking the Gaza strip.

Then the war was called by UN Security Council resolution followed by the 1949 armistice agreements.

It is said that five Arab countries attacked Israel and lost, but....

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Ottoman [Muslim] Turks "took over" all of Palestine for 400 years and before them the [Muslim] Mamluks took over Palestine for 300 years.

Afterward, in 1948, Egypt and Jordan took over all of Palestine, for 20 years.

700+ years, the Muslims and Arabs took over Palestine.

You're the Forum Dunce.

Well heck, the Romans had it for a 700 years before the Muslims arrived and even after Islam spread to the area the Eastern Roman Empire still held it for a few years.

So do the Romans win?

Or you could just say that the Jews existed before the Muslims, so they win.

Seriously, who gives a **** about DNA ties to geography? Let's talk about what's happening now, what's been happening the last 100 years, who's willing to be productive and who would rather shoot rockets at elementary schools for sympathy points.

The Gaza Strip contains 3,900 plants for manufacturing food, building supplies, paper, wood products, steel, plastic, rubber and small artistic products. According to Gisha, most of the factories are non-operational, largely because of a shortage of raw materials.

More than half of Gaza factories non-operational - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[JStone]

Sorry to interrupt your feud, but I'd like to interject some facts here:

1) Yes, the US does obtain most of its oil from Canada, but most of our trade partners in Europe and Asia do not. Guess where they get their oil and guess what would happen to our economy if their economies collapsed due to a lack of oil?

2) As anyone who has studied the last 20 years of our nation's economic history, much less the last 100, can see, our nation's wealth and status of living is dependent upon a global economy. Collapse that economy and we all suffer.

Petroleum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Middle East Oil Reserves By Country and Rank - What Are the Middle East's Oil-Rich Countries

Future of Oil

What the Unrest in the Middle East Means for Global Oil Production | Mother Jones

You're all way too obsessed about our economy, like we should keep invading everyone because it's good for jobs in the US? Geez, any more bogus than that and you'd make about as much sense as an izzyraeli trying to rationalize their stolen land.

Jews and Christians owned the Middle East for hundreds and thousands of years before the Mahometan stole it from them Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Divine Wind]

The Gaza Strip contains 3,900 plants for manufacturing food, building supplies, paper, wood products, steel, plastic, rubber and small artistic products. According to Gisha, most of the factories are non-operational, largely because of a shortage of raw materials.

More than half of Gaza factories non-operational - Israel News, Ynetnews

Thanks for the report. While these small factories are a beginning, they are still a long way from providing a self-sustaining industrial base for the Palestinian people.

War materials are expensive as is the cost of using those materials. If the Palestinians would stop wasting their few precious resources attacking innocent Israeli citizens, they'd have that much more material to build up their industrial base.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Gaza Strip contains 3,900 plants for manufacturing food, building supplies, paper, wood products, steel, plastic, rubber and small artistic products. According to Gisha, most of the factories are non-operational, largely because of a shortage of raw materials.

More than half of Gaza factories non-operational - Israel News, Ynetnews

Thanks for the report. While these small factories are a beginning, they are still a long way from providing a self-sustaining industrial base for the Palestinian people.

War materials are expensive as is the cost of using those materials. If the Palestinians would stop wasting their few precious resources attacking innocent Israeli citizens, they'd have that much more material to build up their industrial base.

Israel has had Gaza under some level of closure and has been bombing or bulldozing Gaza infrastructure since before Hamas became its boogyman.

 

[JStone]

The Gaza Strip contains 3,900 plants for manufacturing food, building supplies, paper, wood products, steel, plastic, rubber and small artistic products. According to Gisha, most of the factories are non-operational, largely because of a shortage of raw materials.

More than half of Gaza factories non-operational - Israel News, Ynetnews

Thanks for the report. While these small factories are a beginning, they are still a long way from providing a self-sustaining industrial base for the Palestinian people.

War materials are expensive as is the cost of using those materials. If the Palestinians would stop wasting their few precious resources attacking innocent Israeli citizens, they'd have that much more material to build up their industrial base.

Israel has had Gaza under some level of closure and has been bombing or bulldozing Gaza infrastructure since before Hamas became its boogyman.

Gazans are as unproductive as the rest of the Arab world that is last in every metric from education to literacy to healthcare to scientific research to productivity to industrial development. The only thing Pallies excel in is suicide bombing.

The Mahometan is a loser.

 

[Divine Wind]

Israel has had Gaza under some level of closure and has been bombing or bulldozing Gaza infrastructure since before Hamas became its boogyman.

Why would they be doing that? Oh yeah:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Q&A: Gaza conflict

Since 2001, when the rockets were first fired, more than 8,600 have hit southern Israel, nearly 6,000 of them since Israel withdrew from Gaza in August 2005. The rockets have killed 28 people and injured hundreds more. In the Israeli town of Sderot near Gaza, 90% of residents have had a missile exploding in their street or an adjacent one.

Palestinian manufacturing:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza's rocket threat to Israel

Rockets known generically as Qassams are homemade weapons fired by Hamas and other Palestinian militants at Israeli population centres near the Gaza Strip.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Thanks for the report. While these small factories are a beginning, they are still a long way from providing a self-sustaining industrial base for the Palestinian people.

War materials are expensive as is the cost of using those materials. If the Palestinians would stop wasting their few precious resources attacking innocent Israeli citizens, they'd have that much more material to build up their industrial base.

Israel has had Gaza under some level of closure and has been bombing or bulldozing Gaza infrastructure since before Hamas became its boogyman.

Gazans are as unproductive as the rest of the Arab world that is last in every metric from education to literacy to healthcare to scientific research to productivity to industrial development. The only thing Pallies excel in is suicide bombing.

The Mahometan is a loser.

Most Gazans were quite prosperous before Israel stole their land and homes and factories in 1948. Before Israel, Palestine produced a surplus that they exported.

 

[JStone]

Israel has had Gaza under some level of closure and has been bombing or bulldozing Gaza infrastructure since before Hamas became its boogyman.

Gazans are as unproductive as the rest of the Arab world that is last in every metric from education to literacy to healthcare to scientific research to productivity to industrial development. The only thing Pallies excel in is suicide bombing.

The Mahometan is a loser.

Most Gazans were quite prosperous before Israel stole their land and homes and factories in 1948. Before Israel, Palestine produced a surplus that they exported.

Except, Jews have owned Gaza since King David conquered the Philistines 3000 years ago.

Too bad you dropped out of high school, dumb boy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has had Gaza under some level of closure and has been bombing or bulldozing Gaza infrastructure since before Hamas became its boogyman.

Why would they be doing that? Oh yeah:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Q&A: Gaza conflict

Since 2001, when the rockets were first fired, more than 8,600 have hit southern Israel, nearly 6,000 of them since Israel withdrew from Gaza in August 2005. The rockets have killed 28 people and injured hundreds more. In the Israeli town of Sderot near Gaza, 90% of residents have had a missile exploding in their street or an adjacent one.

Palestinian manufacturing:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza's rocket threat to Israel

Rockets known generically as Qassams are homemade weapons fired by Hamas and other Palestinian militants at Israeli population centres near the Gaza Strip.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from the occupation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gazans are as unproductive as the rest of the Arab world that is last in every metric from education to literacy to healthcare to scientific research to productivity to industrial development. The only thing Pallies excel in is suicide bombing.

The Mahometan is a loser.

Most Gazans were quite prosperous before Israel stole their land and homes and factories in 1948. Before Israel, Palestine produced a surplus that they exported.

Except, Jews have owned Gaza since King David conquered the Philistines 3000 years ago.

Too bad you dropped out of high school, dumb boy.

You can't be serious. Do you really believe that crap?

 

[JStone]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from the occupation.

Jews were Palestinians during the British Mandate, so, they can't be occupying their own land in Israel, where Jews have lived and ruled for 3000 years.

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the meaning of the word "Palestinian" didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region. The local newspaper, founded in 1932 by Gershon Agron was called The Palestine Post. In 1950, its name was changed to The Jerusalem Post.

In 1923, Pinhas Rutenberg founded the Palestine Electric Company, Ltd. (later to become the Israel Electric Corporation, Ltd.) There was a [Jewish] Palestine Symphony Orchestra, and in World War II, the British assembled a Jewish Brigade to fight the Axis Powers that was known as the Palestine regiment.

Since the establishment of Israel, its citizens are called Israelis, while the term Palestinians usually refers to the Palestinian Arabs.

Definitions of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Divine Wind]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from the occupation.

And the Israelis have a right to defend themselves against terrorism.

Americans have a right to support those being attacked by terrorists, especially now that we've been attacked by these same murdering sons of bitches.

Any culture that would do this to their own children is a culture that needs to have their children removed from their influence:

 

[Monnagonna]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from the occupation.

And the Israelis have a right to defend themselves against terrorism.

Americans have a right to support those being attacked by terrorists, especially now that we've been attacked by these same murdering sons of bitches.

Any culture that would do this to their own children is a culture that needs to have their children removed from their influence:

Every izzyraeli has to go into the army as well, what's the diff?

If the US didn't support izzyrael, 9/11 would have never happened.

 

[JStone]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from the occupation.

And the Israelis have a right to defend themselves against terrorism.

Americans have a right to support those being attacked by terrorists, especially now that we've been attacked by these same murdering sons of bitches.

Any culture that would do this to their own children is a culture that needs to have their children removed from their influence:

Every izzyraeli has to go into the army as well, what's the diff?

If the US didn't support izzyrael, 9/11 would have never happened.

You know bin Laden better than his son, dumbass?

Omar Osama bin Laden...
My father has a religious goal. He is controlled by the rules of jihad. He only kills if he thinks there is a need.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6996210

 

[Monnagonna]

And the Israelis have a right to defend themselves against terrorism.

Americans have a right to support those being attacked by terrorists, especially now that we've been attacked by these same murdering sons of bitches.

Any culture that would do this to their own children is a culture that needs to have their children removed from their influence:

Every izzyraeli has to go into the army as well, what's the diff?

If the US didn't support izzyrael, 9/11 would have never happened.

You know bin Laden better than his son, dumbass?

Omar Osama bin Laden...
My father has a religious goal. He is controlled by the rules of jihad. He only kills if he thinks there is a need.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6996210

Go to youtube get search for the video of OBL explaining how 9/11 was retaliation for the US support of izzyrael.