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What does Trip Advisor have to do with this? Did you get a discount for posting pro Israel or something?
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
What does Trip Advisor have to do with this? Did you get a discount for posting pro Israel or something?
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
Only because Israel is overly fixated on the US and on killing the Pals. so no country wanted the Jews and now the Pals are stuck with them. I also hate the way Jews and Israel use the American people as their pawns.
What does Trip Advisor have to do with this? Did you get a discount for posting pro Israel or something?
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
Only because Israel is overly fixated on the US and on killing the Pals. so no country wanted the Jews and now the Pals are stuck with them. I also hate the way Jews and Israel use the American people as their pawns.
That was quick!
As I said, fixated.
What does Trip Advisor have to do with this? Did you get a discount for posting pro Israel or something?
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
Only because Israel is overly fixated on the US and on killing the Pals. so no country wanted the Jews and now the Pals are stuck with them. I also hate the way Jews and Israel use the American people as their pawns.
That was quick!
As I said, fixated.
I was online. Make a comment on my post. You seem to be fixated with your quick response, why?
What does Trip Advisor have to do with this? Did you get a discount for posting pro Israel or something?
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
Only because Israel is overly fixated on the US and on killing the Pals. so no country wanted the Jews and now the Pals are stuck with them. I also hate the way Jews and Israel use the American people as their pawns.
That was quick!
As I said, fixated.
I was online. Make a comment on my post. You seem to be fixated with your quick response, why?
Don't steal my line.
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
Only because Israel is overly fixated on the US and on killing the Pals. so no country wanted the Jews and now the Pals are stuck with them. I also hate the way Jews and Israel use the American people as their pawns.
That was quick!
As I said, fixated.
I was online. Make a comment on my post. You seem to be fixated with your quick response, why?
Don't steal my line.
Then don't steal mine, you mindless pieces of shit.
Simple response is if Israel is left alone they would not bother anybody. The Palis won't get it through their heads that if you fuck with the bull you get the horns.What does Trip Advisor have to do with this? Did you get a discount for posting pro Israel or something?
You seem overly fixated on Israel. It's not normal.
Only because Israel is overly fixated on the US and on killing the Pals. so no country wanted the Jews and now the Pals are stuck with them. I also hate the way Jews and Israel use the American people as their pawns.
That was quick!
As I said, fixated.
I was online. Make a comment on my post. You seem to be fixated with your quick response, why?
Then perhaps you didn't learn everything.
To be Pro-Palestine is not just another way of being anti-Israel.
Pro Palestinian does not mean Anti Israel at all......and am affronted by your suggestion quite honestly.......I have always said a free Palestine and a free Israel....Peace between these Semitic Peoples.I have had this post on my mind for a long time, but I have found that it will take too much to just post, so I'll compose it locally before posting it publicly.
Which I have now done.
I don't know how to start. The confession or the thank you first.
I guess I'll say thank you first for now. I have been a member of tripadvisor.com and have posted and read almost exclusively in the Israel forums. Reading there, I planned my own trip to Israel and that experience showed me that Israel is an awesome place to be able to visit and not at all the 'war zone' that most of the world believes it to be. However, discussing the politics of the area there is a big no-no. So I wanted to find a place that people discussed the politics of the area, and that is how I landed here. I started as pro-Israel, but wanted to truly attempt to open my mind to try to learn the 'other side' of the story. Well, I have. I have learned quite a bit from those who are Pro-Palestine; not only from the information that 'they' have posted, but also the sources and the means in which most of it has been posted. And I must confess, it hasn't done much to change my stance. I will admit there were times, it could have, or maybe should have, but upon further investigation, I must say that most of the information was based upon an emotional response or a twisty turny path through reality. I have learned a lot about the history of the region and a lot about the incidents that occurred in the past and the present that keeps this conflict (unfortunately) alive. I have learned that to be Pro-Palestine is just another way of being anti-Israel.
Suffice it to say: as others have said, it is like trying to figure out which came first. The chicken or the egg. That seems to be at the heart of the conflict currently. However I am still somewhat on the side of the Israelis; as I think that everything was hunkey dorey while the Ottomans and the British encouraged the Jews; no, invited the Jews to come back to Israel and form a homeland for the Jews. But between the Jews and the Arabs; the Mufti of Jerusalem decided to incite the Arabs against the Jews. Hebron 1929. But the hatred of the Jews started well before that. Search out the real truth and you will see it too. Around 150 BCE the King of Syria wanted to outlaw the Sabbath and circumcision. Funny that the City of San Fransisco wanted to outlaw circumcision in the early 21st century as well. Coincidence? Moving forward, the Jews have been persecuted all through the common era all over Europe. But nobody talks about that, especially the 'pro-palestinian' crowd. All through the middle ages, European country after country expelled the Jews, or at the very least wanted to take away their property and turn them into slaves. For what? Even Martin Luther wanted the world to hate the Jews. The Moslems have never been persecuted like that. Ever.
On the other side of my coin, my confession.
Well, as I said, the Ottoman's, the British, and even some of the Arabs decided that after centuries of Jewish persecution that the Jews should be allowed; no, invited to immigrate back to and re-establish their homeland in Israel; well why not? The rest of the world has hated them and persecuted them for hundreds of years. Yes, there were people that would be displaced in the process. I feel sorry for them. However, those 'peoples' were also on one hand invited to stay and become part of the new nation; yet on the other hand encouraged to flee in hopes that (from the neighboring countries) the Jewish state would not last. Or to say bluntly, "The jews will be driven into the sea". But they were not. So, I feel it is all on the Arabs that they 'lost' "Palestine". Deal with it! They could have stayed as many other Arabs did. Just look at Tel Aviv-Yafo. Yes, it is a shame that some Arabs were displaced, or at the very least, felt like they had to leave; or at the very worst some were expelled. In 1948, sure many Arabs/Moslems were expelled from Israel (abt 750,000), but at the same time more like a million Jews were expelled from the neighboring Arab countries. AT THE SAME TIME! In 1948. And I still really have a very hard time with the fact that there were about 750,000 "refugees" from "Palestine" yet now there are more like 6.5 million! Sounds more like a welfare state than anything else.
So to wind down, in 1948, the British decided they were done with trying to mediate the 'civil war' between the Arabs and the Jews and gave it over to the UN. The UN partitioned the area and the Jews said, (paraphrased) "Ok we will take what we have now and declare a democratic country right here with what we have". Over the years as we all know, the Arab countries disagreed, but have lost conflict after conflict; war after war. And many agreements and occords later: So as I have posted before, now that the Palestinians are where they are with the areas that they control, why shouldn't they do the same as the Israelis did in 1948? Declare an independent democratic state right where they are and can? Why not? Sorry 'Bibi'! I see that as the only solution, otherwise, the "Palestinians" are going away. Or as Lope stated, maybe just give up and let Israel declare the whole of the country as Israel and let the 'Palestinians' become Israeli's.
At the end of the day, I am done with the 'Palestinians'. Either form your peaceful state now or forever forget about it.
In 1948, sure many Arabs/Moslems were expelled from Israel (abt 750,000), but at the same time more like a million Jews were expelled from the neighboring Arab countries.
Then perhaps you didn't learn everything.
To be Pro-Palestine is not just another way of being anti-Israel.
In many ways, that's exactly what it is.
Actually Old School they don't at all...........Reading some of the Trolls on here you would think they would but in reality(in the real world) most people are very understanding of each other.......The Trolls on here do not represent Jewish folk in Israel or else where for that matter.If you're both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel... then you're better off finding a new hobby. Because they both hate you,
They are though,what I call fringe dwellers.......living in some weird space in their own mind........totally unrelated to the real world........steve,Love Teddy's work today,I thought he was very honest from his passionate point of view.....just a shame he didn't see the whole picture otherwise it would have been quite exceptional.Big Up To Teddy I say.
In 1948, sure many Arabs/Moslems were expelled from Israel (abt 750,000), but at the same time more like a million Jews were expelled from the neighboring Arab countries.
Actually, it was not more like a million. Approximately 876,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled. It was about the same number 800,000 Jews, and like the Palestinians they fled for multiple reasons - some were expelled, some fled in fear of unrest and persecution, some to escape poverty.
Then perhaps you didn't learn everything.
To be Pro-Palestine is not just another way of being anti-Israel.
In many ways, that's exactly what it is.
I disagree.
I think that is often thrown out to shut off debate.
Being Pro-Palestinian, to me - is recognizing the rights of the Palestinians for self determination in the form of either a state or full and equal citizenship, equality, and justice.
It does not mean being "anti-Israel" - I support Israel's right to exist and it's right to defend itself just like any other state.
And that is the key: like any other state.
Once the Palestinians have a state then they will be held to the same standards and same sanctions if they fail to hold up to the responsibilities of a modern state.
That's not being anti-Israel - it's about justice, equality, and doing what's right by people.
...At the end of the day, I am done with the 'Palestinians'. Either form your peaceful state now or forever forget about it.
Pro Palestinian does not mean Anti Israel at all......and am affronted by your suggestion quite honestly...steve
Yeah, I can see how one such as you would be, NaziBoy, but your indignation is as bogus as your "love" for the peeps of the region. You're a bigoted fraud and everyone here knows it.
Well that may be your opinion but not others,I have many pm's even from your side of the wall.....I think Teddy's post was excellent.....but your response as usual is chronic......it is impossible to dialogue with you it really is..steve
Then perhaps you didn't learn everything.
To be Pro-Palestine is not just another way of being anti-Israel.
Camel crap. You've been here long enough to know that for many here that is exactly what their "pro-Palestinianism" is all about.
Then perhaps you didn't learn everything.
To be Pro-Palestine is not just another way of being anti-Israel.
Camel crap. You've been here long enough to know that for many here that is exactly what their "pro-Palestinianism" is all about.
Gerbil crap.
I'm Pro-Palestinian. I'm not Anti-Israel. You guys like to create an all or nothing dynamic - yer either for us or against us. If you feel the Palestinians have a just cause, then you obvoiusly must be Anti-Israel. It's not that simple at all.
Then perhaps you didn't learn everything.
To be Pro-Palestine is not just another way of being anti-Israel.
Camel crap. You've been here long enough to know that for many here that is exactly what their "pro-Palestinianism" is all about.
Gerbil crap.
I'm Pro-Palestinian. I'm not Anti-Israel. You guys like to create an all or nothing dynamic - yer either for us or against us. If you feel the Palestinians have a just cause, then you obvoiusly must be Anti-Israel. It's not that simple at all.
And I have defended you because I don't necessarily see anti-Israel (anti-Jew) in your posts but for many here their pro-Palestinianism is just a thin veneer for anti-Israel and/or anti-Jew sentiments. Frankly, they don't give a flying fig about the Palestinians and I believe you are smart enough to know it (if not honest enough to admit it).
Well I'll tell you something.....you don't that is for sureActually Old School they don't at all...........Reading some of the Trolls on here you would think they would but in reality(in the real world) most people are very understanding of each other.......The Trolls on here do not represent Jewish folk in Israel or else where for that matter.If you're both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel... then you're better off finding a new hobby. Because they both hate you,
They are though,what I call fringe dwellers.......living in some weird space in their own mind........totally unrelated to the real world........steve,Love Teddy's work today,I thought he was very honest from his passionate point of view.....just a shame he didn't see the whole picture otherwise it would have been quite exceptional.Big Up To Teddy I say.
Wow, you're one snobbish person. How long have you lived among Israelis that you know who speaks for us, exactly?
Coming from you,I mean what a sham you are,Anti Everyone with such venom...but you talk bullshit....No one is listening to you,by the way STOP this practice of speaking for others....You just don't like being exposed for the Curr you truly are...I can only feel Pity for you..steve...At the end of the day, I am done with the 'Palestinians'. Either form your peaceful state now or forever forget about it.
Pro Palestinian does not mean Anti Israel at all......and am affronted by your suggestion quite honestly...steve
Yeah, I can see how one such as you would be, NaziBoy, but your indignation is as bogus as your "love" for the peeps of the region. You're a bigoted fraud and everyone here knows it.
Well that may be your opinion but not others,I have many pm's even from your side of the wall.....I think Teddy's post was excellent.....but your response as usual is chronic......it is impossible to dialogue with you it really is..steve
You earlier claimed to be "affronted" by Teddy's post and there are 2 good reasons why you can't "dialogue" with me:
1) you're a fuckin' lying anti-Semitic twit (and everyone here knows it) and,
2) you're a flaming idiot (and I mean that with all due respect).
Well I'll tell you something.....you don't that is for sureActually Old School they don't at all...........Reading some of the Trolls on here you would think they would but in reality(in the real world) most people are very understanding of each other.......The Trolls on here do not represent Jewish folk in Israel or else where for that matter.If you're both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel... then you're better off finding a new hobby. Because they both hate you,
They are though,what I call fringe dwellers.......living in some weird space in their own mind........totally unrelated to the real world........steve,Love Teddy's work today,I thought he was very honest from his passionate point of view.....just a shame he didn't see the whole picture otherwise it would have been quite exceptional.Big Up To Teddy I say.
Wow, you're one snobbish person. How long have you lived among Israelis that you know who speaks for us, exactly?
Fcuk all that,that has never stopped you and the Zionist Beasts in the PastWell I'll tell you something.....you don't that is for sureActually Old School they don't at all...........Reading some of the Trolls on here you would think they would but in reality(in the real world) most people are very understanding of each other.......The Trolls on here do not represent Jewish folk in Israel or else where for that matter.If you're both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel... then you're better off finding a new hobby. Because they both hate you,
They are though,what I call fringe dwellers.......living in some weird space in their own mind........totally unrelated to the real world........steve,Love Teddy's work today,I thought he was very honest from his passionate point of view.....just a shame he didn't see the whole picture otherwise it would have been quite exceptional.Big Up To Teddy I say.
Wow, you're one snobbish person. How long have you lived among Israelis that you know who speaks for us, exactly?
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