Really? That pat answer is your response to the matter of violence visited upon blacks, or anyone, by police?
Look at the videos below. Those cops, had they not undertaken excessively forceful action, weren't at risk of so much as breaking a fingernail.
Richard Hubbard III -- Traffic Stop -- [Why was the man asked to exit his vehicle during a traffic stop? I've never been asked to do that when pulled over for alleged speeding? On the contrary, one time I tried to get out of my car to speak with the cop, I was told to get back in the car. On another occasion, I stopped alongside a transformer line right of way (clearing) and there were woods on the opposite side of the 6-lane road. I told the cop who approached me that I had to pee really bad and that I was getting out of the car and going to the woods across the road and would return when I was done. That's what I did. The cops gave me no hassles at all.]
A police dashcam video shows Richard Hubbard III, 25, being beaten during a traffic stop in the Cleveland suburb of Euclid, Ohio. Officer Michael Amiott can be seen repeatedly punching Mr. Hubbard, who is black, and hitting his head on the pavement.
Demetrius Hollins -- Traffic Stop:
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Nania Cain -- Jaywalking: -- [Jaywalking? Seriously? A cop did what you see in the video over a jaywalking incident?]
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Dejuan Yourse -- Vallejo, CA -- Cops purportedly responded to a call.
Dejuan Hall -- [I don't know what to call this]
Dejuan Hall, 23, was chased and apprehended by a police officer who is seen punching Mr. Hall and striking him with an object. In a bystander video, people can be heard yelling, “Police brutality.” The Vallejo, CA police officer then shouts back: “Shut up. Get back,” and brandishes his gun.15 Year-old Girl in High School
Cellphone video shows a police officer slamming a 15-year-old girl to the floor in effort to stop a fight involving three students. Officer Ruben De Los Santos was placed on paid administrative leave, and did not face criminal charges.Jacqueline Craig and her children
Jacqueline Craig, 46, and her daughters, ages 15 and 19, were arrested after reporting to police that a neighbor had choked her 7-year-old son for littering. Bodycam video shows the responder, Officer William Martin, asking the mother, “Why don’t you teach your son not to litter?” Later, he aims a Taser toward the family and then handcuffs the women. Mr. Martin received a 10-day suspension for excessive force and continues to defend his actions.Alton Sterling -- We've all heard of this one. [this may be a dumb question, but...Did Alton have two arms? I can't tell for sure.]
Alton Sterling shooting breakdown
Raw uncut video of the Alton Sterling shooting
(full, unedited video)
Nobody -- not blacks, not whites, not anyone -- takes exception with cops using force, a lot of it even, when it's appropriate to do so. Nobody has a problem with cops looking into suspicious activity. But time and time again when merely observing blacks merely being black and breathing is the basis for the suspicion. Too often when interacting with blacks, cops use inappropriate degrees of force.
If I'm honest, I'm not sure it's a "black civilian-white cop" thing. I believe it's a "black civilian-cop thing." That it's a "cop thing" is the message I've heard in the BLM movement. It's also the message I read that Colin Kaepernick was portraying by sitting/kneeling.
The idea that the police ought not to kill innocent and/or non-violent/non-threatening people shouldn’t be that controversial, but many interpreted not standing for the anthem as unpatriotic or disrespectful to members of the armed services who risked or even lost their lives in defense of the United States. That’s not surprising or even necessarily a strike against kneeling, which Kaepernick began to do at the suggestion of former Green Beret Nate Boyer.
Is it that cops are similarly suspicious of whites? Is it so that cops are similarly violent with white suspects? It may be they are; however, white folks aren't complaining about it, so it stands to reason it's not happening all that much. If it is happening, white folks should complain every bit as loudly as blacks. Nobody deserves the mistreatment that cops have been repeatedly shown to visit upon blacks.
There are oodles of videos of cops brutalizing unarmed and non-combative black folks, in many cases, folks who are seated, subdued on the ground, etc. You need to watch the videos because they don't all show up on the national news. To wit, most of the names on the linked page, I've never heard before, yet I look at those videos (or more comprehensive versions of them on Youtube) and I cannot help but think, "WTF?"
It's also not a social class thing. I live in D.C. The D.C. Metro Area is loaded with middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy black people. One would think that profiling and undue scrutiny of black folks would not happen there, and yet it does. The handful of blacks who are my colleagues and couple who are my friends -- I'm talking black people having jobs $550K+/year jobs -- express the same sorts of concerns and tell of similar encounters (obviously, they didn't end up dead) and or inequities.
Not one of the black people in my life is a "resistor of arrest." They are people who have world class educations, dinner parties and cotillions, boat slips, country club memberships, jobs as attorneys, brokers, business executives, journalists, politicians, lobbyists, doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. These are people who, but for their needing to be concerned about how a cop might behave toward them, are living the American dream as much as anyone can reasonably hope or expect to, and yet they too have the same worries as their black brethren in the hood, so to speak.
- For affluent blacks, wealth doesn't stop racial profiling
- "Safe Haven" effect -- This may have something to do with it, but even if it does, it shouldn't.
You'd think they'd be exempt from the "madness" of which we so often hear on television, and yet they are not. Every black person I know has been pulled over by a cop when they were doing nothing illegal, not even speeding. That has never happened to me. What have I been told that cops gave as the reason for the stops? The three that stick in my memory are:
Also, they each said they were asked if the car they were driving belonged to them, that even as the cop is standing there holding their licence and registration.
- "Accelerating rapidly" from a stoplight -- The stop happened in the suburbs-verging-on-exurbs, and the guy didn't exceed the speed limit. The guy had a radar/laser detector, so he knows the cop had no quantifiable measure of his actual speed.
- "Weaving within her lane" while driving on the highway -- What is there to say about that? WTH? Does one not have the entirety of one's lane in which to drive?
- "Making an abrupt movement" -- This stop happened on Independence Ave. in D.C. in the winter when the street had potholes and the "abrupt" movement was to dodge a pothole, a pothole the cop had to have either hit or "abruptly move" to himself dodge because he was driving in the same lane as my friend. (I don't like saying potholes sneak up on you, but that's what it's like when one isn't aware there's one in one's path...Even at 25mph on D.C's streets.)
So, when I see pat answers/remarks in response to the matter of how cops interact with black folks, I have to say that kind of glibness just doesn't cut it. I can't say what moves you to offer a procrustean remark like that. Is it you just aren't aware of what black folks face? Is it you know but don't care? Is it you don't know and don't care? I don't know.
What I know is that "fighting with cops" isn't what's causing cops to inequitably treat black people whom they encounter. What I know is that the blacks I know don't have a reason to make up the stuff they've shared about their interactions with cops. What I know is that I see white folks voice narratives of denial regarding what their black countrymen tell them is happening to them.
Lastly, what I know is that white folks decry and reject the pleas of groups like BLM and Antifa ostensibly because those groups employ violent means to make their presence known and voices heard. Yet when someone like Colin Kaepernick takes a very understated and clearly non-violent stand to make his plea for justice and equitability, white folks reject that too. If in the minds of whites, blacks can't protest violently and have their pleas be given due consideration, and blacks also can't advocate quietly on bended knee and receive due consideration...That tells me is the violence of Antifa and BLM isn't really the issue, even though people claim it is.
Well, just what the **** is one, are black as a segment of American society, to do to get people like you, like so many on this forum, to hear what your black countrymen are telling you is their reality and accept it and say it's wrong as a nation we need to do something to right the wrong by bringing it to a stop?
Really? That pat answer is your response to the matter of violence visited upon blacks, or anyone, by police?
Look at the videos below. Those cops, had they not undertaken excessively forceful action, weren't at risk of so much as breaking a fingernail.
Richard Hubbard III -- Traffic Stop -- [Why was the man asked to exit his vehicle during a traffic stop? I've never been asked to do that when pulled over for alleged speeding? On the contrary, one time I tried to get out of my car to speak with the cop, I was told to get back in the car. On another occasion, I stopped alongside a transformer line right of way (clearing) and there were woods on the opposite side of the 6-lane road. I told the cop who approached me that I had to pee really bad and that I was getting out of the car and going to the woods across the road and would return when I was done. That's what I did. The cops gave me no hassles at all.]
A police dashcam video shows Richard Hubbard III, 25, being beaten during a traffic stop in the Cleveland suburb of Euclid, Ohio. Officer Michael Amiott can be seen repeatedly punching Mr. Hubbard, who is black, and hitting his head on the pavement.
Demetrius Hollins -- Traffic Stop:
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Nania Cain -- Jaywalking: -- [Jaywalking? Seriously? A cop did what you see in the video over a jaywalking incident?]
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Dejuan Yourse -- Vallejo, CA -- Cops purportedly responded to a call.
Dejuan Hall -- [I don't know what to call this]
Dejuan Hall, 23, was chased and apprehended by a police officer who is seen punching Mr. Hall and striking him with an object. In a bystander video, people can be heard yelling, “Police brutality.” The Vallejo, CA police officer then shouts back: “Shut up. Get back,” and brandishes his gun.15 Year-old Girl in High School
Cellphone video shows a police officer slamming a 15-year-old girl to the floor in effort to stop a fight involving three students. Officer Ruben De Los Santos was placed on paid administrative leave, and did not face criminal charges.Jacqueline Craig and her children
Jacqueline Craig, 46, and her daughters, ages 15 and 19, were arrested after reporting to police that a neighbor had choked her 7-year-old son for littering. Bodycam video shows the responder, Officer William Martin, asking the mother, “Why don’t you teach your son not to litter?” Later, he aims a Taser toward the family and then handcuffs the women. Mr. Martin received a 10-day suspension for excessive force and continues to defend his actions.Alton Sterling -- We've all heard of this one. [this may be a dumb question, but...Did Alton have two arms? I can't tell for sure.]
Alton Sterling shooting breakdown
Raw uncut video of the Alton Sterling shooting
(full, unedited video)
Nobody -- not blacks, not whites, not anyone -- takes exception with cops using force, a lot of it even, when it's appropriate to do so. Nobody has a problem with cops looking into suspicious activity. But time and time again when merely observing blacks merely being black and breathing is the basis for the suspicion. Too often when interacting with blacks, cops use inappropriate degrees of force.
If I'm honest, I'm not sure it's a "black civilian-white cop" thing. I believe it's a "black civilian-cop thing." That it's a "cop thing" is the message I've heard in the BLM movement. It's also the message I read that Colin Kaepernick was portraying by sitting/kneeling.
The idea that the police ought not to kill innocent and/or non-violent/non-threatening people shouldn’t be that controversial, but many interpreted not standing for the anthem as unpatriotic or disrespectful to members of the armed services who risked or even lost their lives in defense of the United States. That’s not surprising or even necessarily a strike against kneeling, which Kaepernick began to do at the suggestion of former Green Beret Nate Boyer.
Is it that cops are similarly suspicious of whites? Is it so that cops are similarly violent with white suspects? It may be they are; however, white folks aren't complaining about it, so it stands to reason it's not happening all that much. If it is happening, white folks should complain every bit as loudly as blacks. Nobody deserves the mistreatment that cops have been repeatedly shown to visit upon blacks.
There are oodles of videos of cops brutalizing unarmed and non-combative black folks, in many cases, folks who are seated, subdued on the ground, etc. You need to watch the videos because they don't all show up on the national news. To wit, most of the names on the linked page, I've never heard before, yet I look at those videos (or more comprehensive versions of them on Youtube) and I cannot help but think, "WTF?"
It's also not a social class thing. I live in D.C. The D.C. Metro Area is loaded with middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy black people. One would think that profiling and undue scrutiny of black folks would not happen there, and yet it does. The handful of blacks who are my colleagues and couple who are my friends -- I'm talking black people having jobs $550K+/year jobs -- express the same sorts of concerns and tell of similar encounters (obviously, they didn't end up dead) and or inequities.
Not one of the black people in my life is a "resistor of arrest." They are people who have world class educations, dinner parties and cotillions, boat slips, country club memberships, jobs as attorneys, brokers, business executives, journalists, politicians, lobbyists, doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. These are people who, but for their needing to be concerned about how a cop might behave toward them, are living the American dream as much as anyone can reasonably hope or expect to, and yet they too have the same worries as their black brethren in the hood, so to speak.
- For affluent blacks, wealth doesn't stop racial profiling
- "Safe Haven" effect -- This may have something to do with it, but even if it does, it shouldn't.
You'd think they'd be exempt from the "madness" of which we so often hear on television, and yet they are not. Every black person I know has been pulled over by a cop when they were doing nothing illegal, not even speeding. That has never happened to me. What have I been told that cops gave as the reason for the stops? The three that stick in my memory are:
Also, they each said they were asked if the car they were driving belonged to them, that even as the cop is standing there holding their licence and registration.
- "Accelerating rapidly" from a stoplight -- The stop happened in the suburbs-verging-on-exurbs, and the guy didn't exceed the speed limit. The guy had a radar/laser detector, so he knows the cop had no quantifiable measure of his actual speed.
- "Weaving within her lane" while driving on the highway -- What is there to say about that? WTH? Does one not have the entirety of one's lane in which to drive?
- "Making an abrupt movement" -- This stop happened on Independence Ave. in D.C. in the winter when the street had potholes and the "abrupt" movement was to dodge a pothole, a pothole the cop had to have either hit or "abruptly move" to himself dodge because he was driving in the same lane as my friend. (I don't like saying potholes sneak up on you, but that's what it's like when one isn't aware there's one in one's path...Even at 25mph on D.C's streets.)
So, when I see pat answers/remarks in response to the matter of how cops interact with black folks, I have to say that kind of glibness just doesn't cut it. I can't say what moves you to offer a procrustean remark like that. Is it you just aren't aware of what black folks face? Is it you know but don't care? Is it you don't know and don't care? I don't know.
What I know is that "fighting with cops" isn't what's causing cops to inequitably treat black people whom they encounter. What I know is that the blacks I know don't have a reason to make up the stuff they've shared about their interactions with cops. What I know is that I see white folks voice narratives of denial regarding what their black countrymen tell them is happening to them.
Lastly, what I know is that white folks decry and reject the pleas of groups like BLM and Antifa ostensibly because those groups employ violent means to make their presence known and voices heard. Yet when someone like Colin Kaepernick takes a very understated and clearly non-violent stand to make his plea for justice and equitability, white folks reject that too. If in the minds of whites, blacks can't protest violently and have their pleas be given due consideration, and blacks also can't advocate quietly on bended knee and receive due consideration...That tells me is the violence of Antifa and BLM isn't really the issue, even though people claim it is.
Well, just what the **** is one, are black as a segment of American society, to do to get people like you, like so many on this forum, to hear what your black countrymen are telling you is their reality and accept it and say it's wrong as a nation we need to do something to right the wrong by bringing it to a stop?
I don't believe that the police as a whole, mistreat any one race of people. In fact, many cops are black. I believe that in many cases the police are within their rights to use their weapons when they do so. Don't attack the police. Cooperate. Period. End of story.
Cops are people and will make mistakes. There are no doubts about that.
Really? That pat answer is your response to the matter of violence visited upon blacks, or anyone, by police?
Look at the videos below. Those cops, had they not undertaken excessively forceful action, weren't at risk of so much as breaking a fingernail.
Richard Hubbard III -- Traffic Stop -- [Why was the man asked to exit his vehicle during a traffic stop? I've never been asked to do that when pulled over for alleged speeding? On the contrary, one time I tried to get out of my car to speak with the cop, I was told to get back in the car. On another occasion, I stopped alongside a transformer line right of way (clearing) and there were woods on the opposite side of the 6-lane road. I told the cop who approached me that I had to pee really bad and that I was getting out of the car and going to the woods across the road and would return when I was done. That's what I did. The cops gave me no hassles at all.]
A police dashcam video shows Richard Hubbard III, 25, being beaten during a traffic stop in the Cleveland suburb of Euclid, Ohio. Officer Michael Amiott can be seen repeatedly punching Mr. Hubbard, who is black, and hitting his head on the pavement.
Demetrius Hollins -- Traffic Stop:
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Nania Cain -- Jaywalking: -- [Jaywalking? Seriously? A cop did what you see in the video over a jaywalking incident?]
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Dejuan Yourse -- Vallejo, CA -- Cops purportedly responded to a call.
Dejuan Hall -- [I don't know what to call this]
Dejuan Hall, 23, was chased and apprehended by a police officer who is seen punching Mr. Hall and striking him with an object. In a bystander video, people can be heard yelling, “Police brutality.” The Vallejo, CA police officer then shouts back: “Shut up. Get back,” and brandishes his gun.15 Year-old Girl in High School
Cellphone video shows a police officer slamming a 15-year-old girl to the floor in effort to stop a fight involving three students. Officer Ruben De Los Santos was placed on paid administrative leave, and did not face criminal charges.Jacqueline Craig and her children
Jacqueline Craig, 46, and her daughters, ages 15 and 19, were arrested after reporting to police that a neighbor had choked her 7-year-old son for littering. Bodycam video shows the responder, Officer William Martin, asking the mother, “Why don’t you teach your son not to litter?” Later, he aims a Taser toward the family and then handcuffs the women. Mr. Martin received a 10-day suspension for excessive force and continues to defend his actions.Alton Sterling -- We've all heard of this one. [this may be a dumb question, but...Did Alton have two arms? I can't tell for sure.]
Alton Sterling shooting breakdown
Raw uncut video of the Alton Sterling shooting
(full, unedited video)
Nobody -- not blacks, not whites, not anyone -- takes exception with cops using force, a lot of it even, when it's appropriate to do so. Nobody has a problem with cops looking into suspicious activity. But time and time again when merely observing blacks merely being black and breathing is the basis for the suspicion. Too often when interacting with blacks, cops use inappropriate degrees of force.
If I'm honest, I'm not sure it's a "black civilian-white cop" thing. I believe it's a "black civilian-cop thing." That it's a "cop thing" is the message I've heard in the BLM movement. It's also the message I read that Colin Kaepernick was portraying by sitting/kneeling.
The idea that the police ought not to kill innocent and/or non-violent/non-threatening people shouldn’t be that controversial, but many interpreted not standing for the anthem as unpatriotic or disrespectful to members of the armed services who risked or even lost their lives in defense of the United States. That’s not surprising or even necessarily a strike against kneeling, which Kaepernick began to do at the suggestion of former Green Beret Nate Boyer.
Is it that cops are similarly suspicious of whites? Is it so that cops are similarly violent with white suspects? It may be they are; however, white folks aren't complaining about it, so it stands to reason it's not happening all that much. If it is happening, white folks should complain every bit as loudly as blacks. Nobody deserves the mistreatment that cops have been repeatedly shown to visit upon blacks.
There are oodles of videos of cops brutalizing unarmed and non-combative black folks, in many cases, folks who are seated, subdued on the ground, etc. You need to watch the videos because they don't all show up on the national news. To wit, most of the names on the linked page, I've never heard before, yet I look at those videos (or more comprehensive versions of them on Youtube) and I cannot help but think, "WTF?"
It's also not a social class thing. I live in D.C. The D.C. Metro Area is loaded with middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy black people. One would think that profiling and undue scrutiny of black folks would not happen there, and yet it does. The handful of blacks who are my colleagues and couple who are my friends -- I'm talking black people having jobs $550K+/year jobs -- express the same sorts of concerns and tell of similar encounters (obviously, they didn't end up dead) and or inequities.
Not one of the black people in my life is a "resistor of arrest." They are people who have world class educations, dinner parties and cotillions, boat slips, country club memberships, jobs as attorneys, brokers, business executives, journalists, politicians, lobbyists, doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. These are people who, but for their needing to be concerned about how a cop might behave toward them, are living the American dream as much as anyone can reasonably hope or expect to, and yet they too have the same worries as their black brethren in the hood, so to speak.
- For affluent blacks, wealth doesn't stop racial profiling
- "Safe Haven" effect -- This may have something to do with it, but even if it does, it shouldn't.
You'd think they'd be exempt from the "madness" of which we so often hear on television, and yet they are not. Every black person I know has been pulled over by a cop when they were doing nothing illegal, not even speeding. That has never happened to me. What have I been told that cops gave as the reason for the stops? The three that stick in my memory are:
Also, they each said they were asked if the car they were driving belonged to them, that even as the cop is standing there holding their licence and registration.
- "Accelerating rapidly" from a stoplight -- The stop happened in the suburbs-verging-on-exurbs, and the guy didn't exceed the speed limit. The guy had a radar/laser detector, so he knows the cop had no quantifiable measure of his actual speed.
- "Weaving within her lane" while driving on the highway -- What is there to say about that? WTH? Does one not have the entirety of one's lane in which to drive?
- "Making an abrupt movement" -- This stop happened on Independence Ave. in D.C. in the winter when the street had potholes and the "abrupt" movement was to dodge a pothole, a pothole the cop had to have either hit or "abruptly move" to himself dodge because he was driving in the same lane as my friend. (I don't like saying potholes sneak up on you, but that's what it's like when one isn't aware there's one in one's path...Even at 25mph on D.C's streets.)
So, when I see pat answers/remarks in response to the matter of how cops interact with black folks, I have to say that kind of glibness just doesn't cut it. I can't say what moves you to offer a procrustean remark like that. Is it you just aren't aware of what black folks face? Is it you know but don't care? Is it you don't know and don't care? I don't know.
What I know is that "fighting with cops" isn't what's causing cops to inequitably treat black people whom they encounter. What I know is that the blacks I know don't have a reason to make up the stuff they've shared about their interactions with cops. What I know is that I see white folks voice narratives of denial regarding what their black countrymen tell them is happening to them.
Lastly, what I know is that white folks decry and reject the pleas of groups like BLM and Antifa ostensibly because those groups employ violent means to make their presence known and voices heard. Yet when someone like Colin Kaepernick takes a very understated and clearly non-violent stand to make his plea for justice and equitability, white folks reject that too. If in the minds of whites, blacks can't protest violently and have their pleas be given due consideration, and blacks also can't advocate quietly on bended knee and receive due consideration...That tells me is the violence of Antifa and BLM isn't really the issue, even though people claim it is.
Well, just what the **** is one, are black as a segment of American society, to do to get people like you, like so many on this forum, to hear what your black countrymen are telling you is their reality and accept it and say it's wrong as a nation we need to do something to right the wrong by bringing it to a stop?
I don't believe that the police as a whole, mistreat any one race of people. In fact, many cops are black. I believe that in many cases the police are within their rights to use their weapons when they do so. Don't attack the police. Cooperate. Period. End of story.
Cops are people and will make mistakes. There are no doubts about that.
Really? That pat answer is your response to the matter of violence visited upon blacks, or anyone, by police?
Look at the videos below. Those cops, had they not undertaken excessively forceful action, weren't at risk of so much as breaking a fingernail.
Richard Hubbard III -- Traffic Stop -- [Why was the man asked to exit his vehicle during a traffic stop? I've never been asked to do that when pulled over for alleged speeding? On the contrary, one time I tried to get out of my car to speak with the cop, I was told to get back in the car. On another occasion, I stopped alongside a transformer line right of way (clearing) and there were woods on the opposite side of the 6-lane road. I told the cop who approached me that I had to pee really bad and that I was getting out of the car and going to the woods across the road and would return when I was done. That's what I did. The cops gave me no hassles at all.]
A police dashcam video shows Richard Hubbard III, 25, being beaten during a traffic stop in the Cleveland suburb of Euclid, Ohio. Officer Michael Amiott can be seen repeatedly punching Mr. Hubbard, who is black, and hitting his head on the pavement.
Demetrius Hollins -- Traffic Stop:
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Nania Cain -- Jaywalking: -- [Jaywalking? Seriously? A cop did what you see in the video over a jaywalking incident?]
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Dejuan Yourse -- Vallejo, CA -- Cops purportedly responded to a call.
Dejuan Hall -- [I don't know what to call this]
Dejuan Hall, 23, was chased and apprehended by a police officer who is seen punching Mr. Hall and striking him with an object. In a bystander video, people can be heard yelling, “Police brutality.” The Vallejo, CA police officer then shouts back: “Shut up. Get back,” and brandishes his gun.15 Year-old Girl in High School
Cellphone video shows a police officer slamming a 15-year-old girl to the floor in effort to stop a fight involving three students. Officer Ruben De Los Santos was placed on paid administrative leave, and did not face criminal charges.Jacqueline Craig and her children
Jacqueline Craig, 46, and her daughters, ages 15 and 19, were arrested after reporting to police that a neighbor had choked her 7-year-old son for littering. Bodycam video shows the responder, Officer William Martin, asking the mother, “Why don’t you teach your son not to litter?” Later, he aims a Taser toward the family and then handcuffs the women. Mr. Martin received a 10-day suspension for excessive force and continues to defend his actions.Alton Sterling -- We've all heard of this one. [this may be a dumb question, but...Did Alton have two arms? I can't tell for sure.]
Alton Sterling shooting breakdown
Raw uncut video of the Alton Sterling shooting
(full, unedited video)
Nobody -- not blacks, not whites, not anyone -- takes exception with cops using force, a lot of it even, when it's appropriate to do so. Nobody has a problem with cops looking into suspicious activity. But time and time again when merely observing blacks merely being black and breathing is the basis for the suspicion. Too often when interacting with blacks, cops use inappropriate degrees of force.
If I'm honest, I'm not sure it's a "black civilian-white cop" thing. I believe it's a "black civilian-cop thing." That it's a "cop thing" is the message I've heard in the BLM movement. It's also the message I read that Colin Kaepernick was portraying by sitting/kneeling.
The idea that the police ought not to kill innocent and/or non-violent/non-threatening people shouldn’t be that controversial, but many interpreted not standing for the anthem as unpatriotic or disrespectful to members of the armed services who risked or even lost their lives in defense of the United States. That’s not surprising or even necessarily a strike against kneeling, which Kaepernick began to do at the suggestion of former Green Beret Nate Boyer.
Is it that cops are similarly suspicious of whites? Is it so that cops are similarly violent with white suspects? It may be they are; however, white folks aren't complaining about it, so it stands to reason it's not happening all that much. If it is happening, white folks should complain every bit as loudly as blacks. Nobody deserves the mistreatment that cops have been repeatedly shown to visit upon blacks.
There are oodles of videos of cops brutalizing unarmed and non-combative black folks, in many cases, folks who are seated, subdued on the ground, etc. You need to watch the videos because they don't all show up on the national news. To wit, most of the names on the linked page, I've never heard before, yet I look at those videos (or more comprehensive versions of them on Youtube) and I cannot help but think, "WTF?"
It's also not a social class thing. I live in D.C. The D.C. Metro Area is loaded with middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy black people. One would think that profiling and undue scrutiny of black folks would not happen there, and yet it does. The handful of blacks who are my colleagues and couple who are my friends -- I'm talking black people having jobs $550K+/year jobs -- express the same sorts of concerns and tell of similar encounters (obviously, they didn't end up dead) and or inequities.
Not one of the black people in my life is a "resistor of arrest." They are people who have world class educations, dinner parties and cotillions, boat slips, country club memberships, jobs as attorneys, brokers, business executives, journalists, politicians, lobbyists, doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. These are people who, but for their needing to be concerned about how a cop might behave toward them, are living the American dream as much as anyone can reasonably hope or expect to, and yet they too have the same worries as their black brethren in the hood, so to speak.
- For affluent blacks, wealth doesn't stop racial profiling
- "Safe Haven" effect -- This may have something to do with it, but even if it does, it shouldn't.
You'd think they'd be exempt from the "madness" of which we so often hear on television, and yet they are not. Every black person I know has been pulled over by a cop when they were doing nothing illegal, not even speeding. That has never happened to me. What have I been told that cops gave as the reason for the stops? The three that stick in my memory are:
Also, they each said they were asked if the car they were driving belonged to them, that even as the cop is standing there holding their licence and registration.
- "Accelerating rapidly" from a stoplight -- The stop happened in the suburbs-verging-on-exurbs, and the guy didn't exceed the speed limit. The guy had a radar/laser detector, so he knows the cop had no quantifiable measure of his actual speed.
- "Weaving within her lane" while driving on the highway -- What is there to say about that? WTH? Does one not have the entirety of one's lane in which to drive?
- "Making an abrupt movement" -- This stop happened on Independence Ave. in D.C. in the winter when the street had potholes and the "abrupt" movement was to dodge a pothole, a pothole the cop had to have either hit or "abruptly move" to himself dodge because he was driving in the same lane as my friend. (I don't like saying potholes sneak up on you, but that's what it's like when one isn't aware there's one in one's path...Even at 25mph on D.C's streets.)
So, when I see pat answers/remarks in response to the matter of how cops interact with black folks, I have to say that kind of glibness just doesn't cut it. I can't say what moves you to offer a procrustean remark like that. Is it you just aren't aware of what black folks face? Is it you know but don't care? Is it you don't know and don't care? I don't know.
What I know is that "fighting with cops" isn't what's causing cops to inequitably treat black people whom they encounter. What I know is that the blacks I know don't have a reason to make up the stuff they've shared about their interactions with cops. What I know is that I see white folks voice narratives of denial regarding what their black countrymen tell them is happening to them.
Lastly, what I know is that white folks decry and reject the pleas of groups like BLM and Antifa ostensibly because those groups employ violent means to make their presence known and voices heard. Yet when someone like Colin Kaepernick takes a very understated and clearly non-violent stand to make his plea for justice and equitability, white folks reject that too. If in the minds of whites, blacks can't protest violently and have their pleas be given due consideration, and blacks also can't advocate quietly on bended knee and receive due consideration...That tells me is the violence of Antifa and BLM isn't really the issue, even though people claim it is.
Well, just what the **** is one, are black as a segment of American society, to do to get people like you, like so many on this forum, to hear what your black countrymen are telling you is their reality and accept it and say it's wrong as a nation we need to do something to right the wrong by bringing it to a stop?
I don't believe that the police as a whole, mistreat any one race of people. In fact, many cops are black. I believe that in many cases the police are within their rights to use their weapons when they do so. Don't attack the police. Cooperate. Period. End of story.
Cops are people and will make mistakes. There are no doubts about that.
You will believe what you want to believe.
The two you had mentioned, was not justice served in their cases ? Didn't the cops get punished if they done wrong ???? Not sure about them, so just asking. And yes Michael Brown's case they created a false narrative on that one. They had to because they have to pile on in order to make a pattern more believable.
Really? That pat answer is your response to the matter of violence visited upon blacks, or anyone, by police?
Look at the videos below. Those cops, had they not undertaken excessively forceful action, weren't at risk of so much as breaking a fingernail.
Richard Hubbard III -- Traffic Stop -- [Why was the man asked to exit his vehicle during a traffic stop? I've never been asked to do that when pulled over for alleged speeding? On the contrary, one time I tried to get out of my car to speak with the cop, I was told to get back in the car. On another occasion, I stopped alongside a transformer line right of way (clearing) and there were woods on the opposite side of the 6-lane road. I told the cop who approached me that I had to pee really bad and that I was getting out of the car and going to the woods across the road and would return when I was done. That's what I did. The cops gave me no hassles at all.]
A police dashcam video shows Richard Hubbard III, 25, being beaten during a traffic stop in the Cleveland suburb of Euclid, Ohio. Officer Michael Amiott can be seen repeatedly punching Mr. Hubbard, who is black, and hitting his head on the pavement.
Demetrius Hollins -- Traffic Stop:
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Nania Cain -- Jaywalking: -- [Jaywalking? Seriously? A cop did what you see in the video over a jaywalking incident?]
Footage from a dashboard camera and a cellphone shows Nania Cain being thrown to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by an officer who claims Mr. Cain had allegedly jaywalked. Mr. Cain, 24, was initially charged with resisting arrest, but was released the next morning. The Sacramento police officer was placed on paid administrative leave.
Dejuan Yourse -- Vallejo, CA -- Cops purportedly responded to a call.
Dejuan Hall -- [I don't know what to call this]
Dejuan Hall, 23, was chased and apprehended by a police officer who is seen punching Mr. Hall and striking him with an object. In a bystander video, people can be heard yelling, “Police brutality.” The Vallejo, CA police officer then shouts back: “Shut up. Get back,” and brandishes his gun.15 Year-old Girl in High School
Cellphone video shows a police officer slamming a 15-year-old girl to the floor in effort to stop a fight involving three students. Officer Ruben De Los Santos was placed on paid administrative leave, and did not face criminal charges.Jacqueline Craig and her children
Jacqueline Craig, 46, and her daughters, ages 15 and 19, were arrested after reporting to police that a neighbor had choked her 7-year-old son for littering. Bodycam video shows the responder, Officer William Martin, asking the mother, “Why don’t you teach your son not to litter?” Later, he aims a Taser toward the family and then handcuffs the women. Mr. Martin received a 10-day suspension for excessive force and continues to defend his actions.Alton Sterling -- We've all heard of this one. [this may be a dumb question, but...Did Alton have two arms? I can't tell for sure.]
Alton Sterling shooting breakdown
Raw uncut video of the Alton Sterling shooting
(full, unedited video)
Nobody -- not blacks, not whites, not anyone -- takes exception with cops using force, a lot of it even, when it's appropriate to do so. Nobody has a problem with cops looking into suspicious activity. But time and time again when merely observing blacks merely being black and breathing is the basis for the suspicion. Too often when interacting with blacks, cops use inappropriate degrees of force.
If I'm honest, I'm not sure it's a "black civilian-white cop" thing. I believe it's a "black civilian-cop thing." That it's a "cop thing" is the message I've heard in the BLM movement. It's also the message I read that Colin Kaepernick was portraying by sitting/kneeling.
The idea that the police ought not to kill innocent and/or non-violent/non-threatening people shouldn’t be that controversial, but many interpreted not standing for the anthem as unpatriotic or disrespectful to members of the armed services who risked or even lost their lives in defense of the United States. That’s not surprising or even necessarily a strike against kneeling, which Kaepernick began to do at the suggestion of former Green Beret Nate Boyer.
Is it that cops are similarly suspicious of whites? Is it so that cops are similarly violent with white suspects? It may be they are; however, white folks aren't complaining about it, so it stands to reason it's not happening all that much. If it is happening, white folks should complain every bit as loudly as blacks. Nobody deserves the mistreatment that cops have been repeatedly shown to visit upon blacks.
There are oodles of videos of cops brutalizing unarmed and non-combative black folks, in many cases, folks who are seated, subdued on the ground, etc. You need to watch the videos because they don't all show up on the national news. To wit, most of the names on the linked page, I've never heard before, yet I look at those videos (or more comprehensive versions of them on Youtube) and I cannot help but think, "WTF?"
It's also not a social class thing. I live in D.C. The D.C. Metro Area is loaded with middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy black people. One would think that profiling and undue scrutiny of black folks would not happen there, and yet it does. The handful of blacks who are my colleagues and couple who are my friends -- I'm talking black people having jobs $550K+/year jobs -- express the same sorts of concerns and tell of similar encounters (obviously, they didn't end up dead) and or inequities.
Not one of the black people in my life is a "resistor of arrest." They are people who have world class educations, dinner parties and cotillions, boat slips, country club memberships, jobs as attorneys, brokers, business executives, journalists, politicians, lobbyists, doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. These are people who, but for their needing to be concerned about how a cop might behave toward them, are living the American dream as much as anyone can reasonably hope or expect to, and yet they too have the same worries as their black brethren in the hood, so to speak.
- For affluent blacks, wealth doesn't stop racial profiling
- "Safe Haven" effect -- This may have something to do with it, but even if it does, it shouldn't.
You'd think they'd be exempt from the "madness" of which we so often hear on television, and yet they are not. Every black person I know has been pulled over by a cop when they were doing nothing illegal, not even speeding. That has never happened to me. What have I been told that cops gave as the reason for the stops? The three that stick in my memory are:
Also, they each said they were asked if the car they were driving belonged to them, that even as the cop is standing there holding their licence and registration.
- "Accelerating rapidly" from a stoplight -- The stop happened in the suburbs-verging-on-exurbs, and the guy didn't exceed the speed limit. The guy had a radar/laser detector, so he knows the cop had no quantifiable measure of his actual speed.
- "Weaving within her lane" while driving on the highway -- What is there to say about that? WTH? Does one not have the entirety of one's lane in which to drive?
- "Making an abrupt movement" -- This stop happened on Independence Ave. in D.C. in the winter when the street had potholes and the "abrupt" movement was to dodge a pothole, a pothole the cop had to have either hit or "abruptly move" to himself dodge because he was driving in the same lane as my friend. (I don't like saying potholes sneak up on you, but that's what it's like when one isn't aware there's one in one's path...Even at 25mph on D.C's streets.)
So, when I see pat answers/remarks in response to the matter of how cops interact with black folks, I have to say that kind of glibness just doesn't cut it. I can't say what moves you to offer a procrustean remark like that. Is it you just aren't aware of what black folks face? Is it you know but don't care? Is it you don't know and don't care? I don't know.
What I know is that "fighting with cops" isn't what's causing cops to inequitably treat black people whom they encounter. What I know is that the blacks I know don't have a reason to make up the stuff they've shared about their interactions with cops. What I know is that I see white folks voice narratives of denial regarding what their black countrymen tell them is happening to them.
Lastly, what I know is that white folks decry and reject the pleas of groups like BLM and Antifa ostensibly because those groups employ violent means to make their presence known and voices heard. Yet when someone like Colin Kaepernick takes a very understated and clearly non-violent stand to make his plea for justice and equitability, white folks reject that too. If in the minds of whites, blacks can't protest violently and have their pleas be given due consideration, and blacks also can't advocate quietly on bended knee and receive due consideration...That tells me is the violence of Antifa and BLM isn't really the issue, even though people claim it is.
Well, just what the **** is one, are black as a segment of American society, to do to get people like you, like so many on this forum, to hear what your black countrymen are telling you is their reality and accept it and say it's wrong as a nation we need to do something to right the wrong by bringing it to a stop?
I don't believe that the police as a whole, mistreat any one race of people. In fact, many cops are black. I believe that in many cases the police are within their rights to use their weapons when they do so. Don't attack the police. Cooperate. Period. End of story.
Cops are people and will make mistakes. There are no doubts about that.
You will believe what you want to believe.
That's right. I believe most cops are people capable of error and misjudgment like anyone else. I do NOT think they are evil racists who want to purposefully kill black people.
. I agree, and have witnessed this myself.... Now why don't people get to the bottom of that bullcrap ? The thing is this though, if the one's who are hoping to be rid of a bad cop, are also found to be engaged in all sorts of bad themselves, then it's hell to cast the stone if carrying one to big to throw themselves or when trying to throw a righteous one.
No they shouldn't be, and no good cop wants to shoot someone for nothing, but depending on what happens in the stop, people sure can be shot if cause a bad situation that prompts an officer to take such actions in order to defend him or herself.
