Zone1 My problem with Jesus...turning the other cheek for years has caused me more suffering

[surada]

If turning the other cheek isn't your thing you are no Christian. You are an infidel

Jesus was talking about Roman law and the Roman occupation.

 

[BreezeWood]

On whose authority do you proceed? What fraudulent deity do you represent?



I AM.

the heavenly religion of antiquity - taught by those that gave their lives during the trials and tribulations of the heavenly 1st century.

- who will see what they were where they are claimed to be - - the sinner who crucifies jesus or who in triumph, sins no more.

your choice, christian.

 

[irosie91]

the heavenly religion of antiquity - taught by those that gave their lives during the trials and tribulations of the heavenly 1st century.




your choice, christian.

the "first century" was "HEAVENLY" ???? for whom?

 

[BreezeWood]

the "first century" was "HEAVENLY" ???? for whom?

for posterity ...

those 4 who were not - any of the above, particularly jewish or roman, they were free spirits ... mary, joseph, jesus and mary magdalene. blessed by the heavens.

 

[Clyde 154]

provide the stone tables w/ 10 commandments - etched in the heavens - as claimed by the liar moses or remove the false personifications from all three desert religions ... that which never existed.

Provided Ad nauseam. Moses still living rent free in your head?

 

[BreezeWood]

Provided Ad nauseam. Moses still living rent free in your head?

provide the stone tables w/ 10 commandments - etched in the heavens - as claimed by the liar moses or remove the false personifications from all three desert religions ... that which never existed.

too bad for you - clyde ...

 

[The Irish Ram]

shockedcanadian,
In court, a common practice was to allow a person who was wronged to slap the guilty person with the back of his right hand. It was meant to shame the guilty one, and made the recipient lower than the one slapping. Turning the other cheek was a sign of strength and showed the court that you were an equal to the one slapping. It is not an act of submission. It is standing your ground with dignity, not asking for more abuse.

Have someone stand in front of you. Pretend to slap their right cheek with the back of your right hand. Now try to slap their other cheek with the back of your right hand.

 

[surada]

I've considered that yes,.like Job. The problem is that I have experienced the suffering far !onger than Job and at my age this shouldn't occur. Ontario is evil.

If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Under Roman law a master was entitled to reprimand his slave by slapping him once on the cheek. However under law to do so twice was to grant him freedom.
Jun 16, 2020

 

[Ace Nova]

the heavenly religion of antiquity - taught by those that gave their lives during the trials and tribulations of the heavenly 1st century.




your choice, christian.

Christian by spirit before my body was created. I have the marks to prove my being. Do you?

Although I am warmed by your concept of reality - it is not based on reality and simply a deception of reality.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

Defending oneself from really harmful aggression is justified, and it is permissible. Retaliation is different and believers are told to not take that into their hands.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Defending oneself from really harmful aggression is justified, and it is permissible. Retaliation is different and believers are told to not take that into their hands.

sometimes they appear to be the same thing. How does one know when it is retaliation and when it is self defense? It could be seen as both. That's why we need older people in govt.. Young people usually do not have much wisdom, haven't lived long enough to acquire much of it. Plus, a lot of them do not even have a desire for wisdom.. just want instant gratification and etc..

 

[irosie91]

sometimes they appear to be the same thing. How does one know when it is retaliation and when it is self defense? It could be seen as both. That's why we need older people in govt.. Young people usually do not have much wisdom, haven't lived long enough to acquire much of it. Plus, a lot of them do not even have a desire for wisdom.. just want instant gratification and etc..

well IMVO (In My Vaunted Opinion) ---
the Israeli reaction to Oct. 7 is a study in
self-defense OVER retaliation. Retaliation
could have EASILY HAPPENED---with deaths
in the hundreds of thousands & gross
HANDS-ON atrocities----but it didn't.
The HAMAS action of October 7 was a
matter of religious revenge as was the
execution of prisoners

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

sometimes they appear to be the same thing. How does one know when it is retaliation and when it is self defense? It could be seen as both. That's why we need older people in govt.. Young people usually do not have much wisdom, haven't lived long enough to acquire much of it. Plus, a lot of them do not even have a desire for wisdom.. just want instant gratification and etc..

It was a personal issue I responded to, which has nothing to do with need of any government. Was there or is there going to be real harm to you (generic you, not just you forkintheroad7)? Then defending yourself is right. Retaliation is different, and it does not take great wisdom to discern. It is not right to just be trying to get even. Don't bring up anything expecting I would say things to defend governments. It would not have to do with response to the personal issue which is the subject of this thread.

 

[Ace Nova]

Matthew 5:

38 Retaliation.[k]“You have heard that it was said: ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you: Offer no resistance to someone who is wicked. If someone strikes you on your right cheek, turn and offer him the other cheek as well. 40 If anyone wishes to sue you to gain possession of your tunic, give him your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him for a second mile. 42 Give to anyone who begs from you, and do not turn your back on anyone who wishes to borrow from you.

1. Matthew 5:38 The Old Testament commandment of an eye for an eye (see Lev 24:20) was intended to moderate vengeance—seeking to ensure that the punishment not exceed the injury done. Jesus calls for further moderation and liberality by giving suggestions for breaking the infernal circle of hatred and disputation.

 

[Votto]

It's that simple, in the headline,

I try to keep the Faith but wonder if God views me as the fool.

First you have to assess what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek, while at other times he picks up a whip and tans their collective hides.

 

[Cellblock2429]

First you have to assess what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek, while at other times he picks up a whip and tans their collective hides.

/—-/ Turning the other cheek was a way Jews could stop a Roman soldier from slapping them.

 

[Care4all]

/—-/ Turning the other cheek was a way Jews could stop a Roman soldier from slapping them.

Not quite!!!

It is about REVENGE.....

"Turn the Other Cheek" - Bible Meaning & Christian Misunderstandings

There are two places in Scripture where Jesus tells us to "turn the other cheek". The first occurrence is in the book of Matthew. Here we read these words. “But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” The second...

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[Cellblock2429]

Not quite!!!

It is about REVENGE.....

"Turn the Other Cheek" - Bible Meaning & Christian Misunderstandings

There are two places in Scripture where Jesus tells us to "turn the other cheek". The first occurrence is in the book of Matthew. Here we read these words. “But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” The second...

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/—-/ I don’t disagree, but this is where I read about the Roman soldiers:
“…[A] a slap on the right cheek meant the soldier backhanded[an Israelite], which was a far more demeaning slap.

‘It was degrading….It was what you gave to an inferior or a slave.’ To not break down emotionally and simply turn the other cheek meant that the soldier couldn’t slap you again on the right cheek, and….’he can’t slap you with his left hand, because that is unclean for both of you.’

The soldier’s only option was to slap with the palm of his hand, and ‘this was not the way to slap a slave. This was reserved for equals.’ Thus, in giving the other cheek, the degraded person asserted his humanity in a brave countermove — a humble response, yet also an act of courage against an oppressive system.”

The True Historical Meaning Of 'Turn The Other Cheek' For Christians In Roman-Occupied Judea - Christians for Truth

One of the most controversial — and least understood — verses in the New Testament is Christ’s command to his disciples if they are ever struck on the cheek: “But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” –Matthew …

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[BreezeWood]

How does one know when it is retaliation and when it is self defense?

in florida the law was not who started the fight but who caused bodily damage - was charged w/ assault.

- the pubs changed that to stand your ground where no reason to do so was warranted - the aggressor is now often who is rewarded.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

First you have to assess what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek, while at other times he picks up a whip and tans their collective hides.

I do not myself believe that Jesus actually struck anyone with the whip he held, though he could have, and have been justified, while he was threatening with it, and did release animals and overturned tables with the money being collected, knowing that which the merchants did was not right. Turning the cheek is avoiding what is just retaliation, there is still justified defense any are permitted.