Muslims riot in New York.

The population of Gaza has gone down dramatically. The normal rate of death in a population is around 0.9% year. Gaza had a population of about 2,200,000 before Oct 7th. There have been at least 75,000 killed which is 3.5% in two years so the death rate has doubled, by any standard that's dramatic.
A minuscule decrease in population despite your hysteria that Israel is wiping out a generation
 
What's that? the number killed per-age group?

I guess I need to spoon-feed you: it's the population of Cambodia by age. Note the dips, which are a direct result of genocide.

Well as I just told another ignoramus, the Genocide Convention doesn't rely on population curves to establish genocide.

You are an ignoranus. (That's not a typo.)

Also the Nazis killed at most 50% of the world's population of Jews, the other 50% were beyond the reach of the Nazis so by your argument the Nazis did not and could not commit genocide (the destruction of the race), do you beleive that? I don't.

Are you on some sort of drugs? I never posted that, nor did I even suggest it.
 
I guess I need to spoon-feed you: it's the population of Cambodia by age. Note the dips, which are a direct result of genocide.
You gave no source nor did you show population drop by year.
You are an ignoranus. (That's not a typo.)

Are you on some sort of drugs? I never posted that, nor did I even suggest it.
I never said you did, I asked if killing 50% of a population is genocide, simple question but not for you it seems.
 
Would you say a Holocaust survivor has a degree of expertise?
on what? Being in the Holocaust? Yes. On politics? No.
Fair enough, so how did you identify the Genocide Project site as being edited by "experts"?
I looked at who works there and his/her qualifications and what professionals who have used their service reported about the content.
What "bias" did you see in the Wikipedia footnotes?
the question of which sources were relied upon when others were absent to provide an even presentation. Example -- relying on what Francesca Albanese says while not giving any critical examination of her documented bias.
You don't seem to understand the diference between citing a source and relying on a source.
do you often cite things you don't rely on? Or are you relying on things you don't cite?
Evident to you when reviewing the history of the Third Reich, look at the events that pertain to the persecution of Jews in Germany and tell me at what point in the timelind up to the end of WW2, did the Nazis activities become a genocide?

If you've read Badenheim then feel free to factor that in to your answer.
Well, Badenheim makes the argument that people knew it was something in 1939 and even before. Since it was written by someone who lived through it and survived, I will grant him expertise in the events of the Holocaust so his claim of 1939 is helpful. The term dates from 1942 and the legal construct came a few years later. Are you asking whether there were genocides before there was a legal construct? What standards would anyone use to judge events before the term became codified?
I thought it was obvious from what I wrote, for example I'd argue that Kristallnacht did not represent the transition from persecutuion to genocide.
that's nice. Since I never mentioned Kristallnacht I don't know why you decided to make that claim.
I am forming the impression that an expert in your view must be someone who does not recognize that genocide is underway in Gaza. Its a precondition for you, selection bias is what they call that.
Maybe my view is that, knowing the legal language and seeing the experts present their arguments, I am simply unconvinced that all the necessary elements have been satisfied and I see that experts who use the term regardless are choosing to be inaccurate. Your selection bias manifests as dismissing content before reading it. Mine is based on the content of their argument and their treatment of contrary claims.
 
You gave no source nor did you show population drop by year.

Images are from Wiki, source is the UN. Look for yourself, paying particular attention to 1975-78.


I never said you did, I asked if killing 50% of a population is genocide, simple question but not for you it seems.

Are you attempting to stumble upon a POINT, or just flailing?
 
on what? Being in the Holocaust? Yes. On politics? No.
Yes as having expertise on what constitutes genocide, but no matter you answer it below where you cite Badenheim.
I looked at who works there and his/her qualifications and what professionals who have used their service reported about the content.
But that organization was setup primarily to teach about the Armenian genocide not genocide in the general sense, why pick that organization? was it because it doesn't cover the Gaza genocide?
the question of which sources were relied upon when others were absent to provide an even presentation. Example -- relying on what Francesca Albanese says while not giving any critical examination of her documented bias.
That's odd, the Wikipedia article List of Genocides cites Alabanese twice, the entry in the table for Gaza cites two sources that are not Albanase (Gaza Health Ministry and the Chair of global health at Edinburgh university).

For Gaza we also find sources: Human Rights Watch, UN Commision, Journal of Genocide Research, Center for International Policy, Amnesty International, Physicians for Human Rights (Israel) etc.

You actually think every one of these sources are biased?
do you often cite things you don't rely on? Or are you relying on things you don't cite?
My position relies on multiple sources, a good way to avoid bias, you should consider doing this yourself.
Well, Badenheim makes the argument that people knew it was something in 1939 and even before. Since it was written by someone who lived through it and survived, I will grant him expertise in the events of the Holocaust so his claim of 1939 is helpful. The term dates from 1942 and the legal construct came a few years later. Are you asking whether there were genocides before there was a legal construct? What standards would anyone use to judge events before the term became codified?
Please just answer the question, looking at the timeline of events from say 1920 to 1945, when you do that, in which year do you think genocide started taking place. I want a year, why can't you answer me? It wasn't 1920 nor was it 1945 but somewhere in between, don't you know?
that's nice. Since I never mentioned Kristallnacht I don't know why you decided to make that claim.
No you didn't I did, I asked if the treatment of Jews became a genocide once Kristallnacht took place, again you seem to not know.
Maybe my view is that, knowing the legal language and seeing the experts present their arguments, I am simply unconvinced that all the necessary elements have been satisfied and I see that experts who use the term regardless are choosing to be inaccurate. Your selection bias manifests as dismissing content before reading it. Mine is based on the content of their argument and their treatment of contrary claims.
Well if you rely on that Genocide education site and reject all of the sources I mentioned above, then of course you'll form a biased opinion.

This is ridiculous, you don't even know on which year the Nazi genocide began despite vast volumes of research material yet feel confident that genocide in Gaza is not taking place.
 
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I feel like you removed the freedom of children too easily with your vile grooming and mutilating surgeries.
You are the party of pedos since we just moved from debate to slinging mud. Your lies are just lies. My facts are just facts…you support the pedo party:

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It's easy to hurl the genocide slogan when you're a clueless moron.
He might be a clueless moron on one of his better days, but the inbred represents a far more sinister agenda.

When are people going to wake the **** up and realise what Islam has in mind for all of humanity?
 
Great, so what is the population curve during a genocide?
What is the population curve of Islamic terrorists who force their children into suicide vests?
You are the party of pedos since we just moved from debate to slinging mud. Your lies are just lies. My facts are just facts…you support the pedo party:
That was pretty frantic, darlin’. The party of pedos seems to define your hero Biden and his adventures in showers with his young daughter.

Or. Maybe your adventures in tranny story hour with young children as your audience.
 
Israel, Russia, United States, and Sudan all signed but did not ratify the Rome Statute. These four signatory states have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become parties to the Rome Statute, and as such have no legal obligations arising from their signature.

The International Criminal Court at the Hague prosecutes Genocide, War Crimes, and Crimes Against Humanity.
 
But that organization was setup primarily to teach about the Armenian genocide not genocide in the general sense, why pick that organization? was it because it doesn't cover the Gaza genocide?
and it has expanded to teach all sort of things about many genocides. The expertise of the peopple involved and the reviews from users aren't limited to the Armenian genocide. Maybe it doesn't cover Gaza while many others are on the list because according to them, as experts, Gaza isn't a genocide.
That's odd, the Wikipedia article List of Genocides cites Alabanese twice, the entry in the table for Gaza cites two sources that are not Albanase (Gaza Health Ministry and the Chair of global health at Edinburgh university).
Yep, and thanks for pointing out some of the other sources which have been shown to be wrong and/or skewed/agendized.
For Gaza we also find sources: Human Rights Watch, UN Commision, Journal of Genocide Research, Center for International Policy, Amnesty International, Physicians for Human Rights (Israel) etc.
Exactly my point. Thank you!
You actually think every one of these sources are biased?
I think that none of them can present certain facts that would make Gaza "qualify" as a genocide. The fact that many of them have made claims that have been proven wrong publicly is just another dimension of untrustworthiness.
My position relies on multiple sources, a good way to avoid bias, you should consider doing this yourself.
you mean except for the sources you dismiss without reading.
Please just answer the question, looking at the timeline of events from say 1920 to 1945, when you do that, in which year do you think genocide started taking place. I want a year, why can't you answer me? It wasn't 1920 nor was it 1945 but somewhere in between, don't you know?
I'm no history expert, but it seems that some historians point to 1942 when the intent to destroy the whole group (qua group) was codified. My opinion shouldn't carry any weight.
No you didn't I did, I asked if the treatment of Jews became a genocide once Kristallnacht took place, again you seem to not know.
You wanted a date, I gave a date.
Well if you rely on that Genocide education site and reject all of the sources I mentioned above, then of course you'll form a biased opinion.
your sources being ones that have been called into question, why should I accept them?
This is ridiculous, you don't even know on which year the Nazi genocide began despite vast volumes of research material yet feel confident that genocide in Gaza is not taking place.
You are assuming that I have claimed some independent historical knowledge, but I have never professed that, in either case. Why don't you go to the Genocide educators and ask THEM why they excluded Gaza. I haven't claimed to be an expert and you contest their expertise. So challenge them.
 
Run along, go and listen to the UFO files news form your hero trump, that's the kind of claptrap your lot love to believe.


UFOs and painting inside pools is top of his agenda, screw gas prices.

Are you having a stroke?

and it has expanded to teach all sort of things about many genocides. The expertise of the peopple involved and the reviews from users aren't limited to the Armenian genocide. Maybe it doesn't cover Gaza while many others are on the list because according to them, as experts, Gaza isn't a genocide.

Yep, and thanks for pointing out some of the other sources which have been shown to be wrong and/or skewed/agendized.

Exactly my point. Thank you!

I think that none of them can present certain facts that would make Gaza "qualify" as a genocide. The fact that many of them have made claims that have been proven wrong publicly is just another dimension of untrustworthiness.

you mean except for the sources you dismiss without reading.

I'm no history expert, but it seems that some historians point to 1942 when the intent to destroy the whole group (qua group) was codified. My opinion shouldn't carry any weight.

You wanted a date, I gave a date.

your sources being ones that have been called into question, why should I accept them?

You are assuming that I have claimed some independent historical knowledge, but I have never professed that, in either case. Why don't you go to the Genocide educators and ask THEM why they excluded Gaza. I haven't claimed to be an expert and you contest their expertise. So challenge them.
He's just a propagandist.
 
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