Muslim ban - blunt instrument

[Tommy Tainant]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

Trump has no muslim ban you lying sack of shit.

Why dont you address the OP rather than abuse the poster ?
I would report it to a mod but he would probably support you.

I directly and concisely responded to the thread on multiple levels.

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

No I am pointing out that you are a lying sack of shit like most progressives. It is not a Muslim ban. It is a country delay. There is no "ban". An honest person would acknowledge that fact. You however are far, far from honest. It is a delay, and that is all. It does not prevent ANYONE from coming here. What it does do is delay how fast they can get here. Period.

Again I cant see anything here but deflection.
I call it a muslim ban and you call it whatever you think sounds ok.
We can agree that it is "something" though and the OP outlines that it is a blunt instrument and of little use.
The fact that you cant debate that point shows that you have little to offer to this discussion.

And can I just add that describing a poster as a "lying sack of shit" for holding an opposing view is not the conduct you would expect from a mod, even one as limited as yourself.

Ummmm, that's because you're "not sharp". I refer to you a s a lying sack of shit because of your well known posting history. I also feel justified in doing so because your very OP here is a lie. Your opinion is factually wrong. Your opinion is valid only if you perpetuate the lie that it is a ban. As any student of the English language knows a ban implies no one can come in. That is not the case here. They are not being prevented from entering. They are merely being slowed down so that we have time to fully investigate them.

Feel free to present ANY evidence that refutes what I have just posted.

Again you post your opinion as fact and dismiss mine because you dont like it. You use your position to abuse me because you can and yet you cannot address the OP because you know I am right.

Lets try it a different way. Lets see if you can stay on topic ?

Would either of Trumps EOs have been able to prevent a similar event happening in the US as happened in London ?

You know that they would not and therefore they are blunt tools.

If Trump proposed a Muslim ban why are 85% of the world's muslims still eligible to emigrate to the US?
Your entire thread premise is based in a lie.

Trump called it a muslim ban and the courts agreed. I take it you agree that it is a waste of time?

 

[Unkotare]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

He certainly wouldn't under Obama (extreme sarcasm). Trump's would've had him id'd and checked.

You know about these loons. Loons know loons. The new liberals' playbook is terrorism before communism. Like atheism, it's the liberal religion. We had Muslim Obama and his ties to the Muslims and Russians. Because of Muslim Obama, we've had illegal aliens and how they infiltrated US society now into home-grown aliens.

The British police knew about how a car and a lone wolf attacker with a knife could get in and cause terror, but could not stop it. This is exactly the kind of thing the US conservatives wanted to stop, but Obama kept letting the illegals in without checking. California is a safe haven for illegal Mexicans and the druggies and bad guys off the grid are among us. Not only that, there are thousands of green card and illegal Muslims in the country now working our low-paying jobs. It's why some intelligent blacks wanted to stop Obama, Clinton and the Dems and voted for Trump. They want full-time jobs and benefits, and not part-time ones with no benefits. We had the San Diego home grown terrorist attack because of Obama and Dems politics.

The solution is fingerprinting and facial recognition for all US citizens. Give us your prints and face photo when you file your taxes. I'm sure the libs will be against that as they're against the wall.

You've got the wrong country.

It's not about the country, unko. I've learned a bit of Japanese. It's about "was not the subject of any current investigations" and "there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack." What do they not verified yet? It's the M-word. Even if he was M-word, we have this happen all the time in the US mainstream news by design.

EDIT: What about the OP? He's already labeled him as Muslim terrorist and Trump fail I imagine.

You've got the wrong country. Americans are not interested in more government intrusion.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Trump has no muslim ban you lying sack of shit.

Why dont you address the OP rather than abuse the poster ?
I would report it to a mod but he would probably support you.

I directly and concisely responded to the thread on multiple levels.

No I am pointing out that you are a lying sack of shit like most progressives. It is not a Muslim ban. It is a country delay. There is no "ban". An honest person would acknowledge that fact. You however are far, far from honest. It is a delay, and that is all. It does not prevent ANYONE from coming here. What it does do is delay how fast they can get here. Period.

Again I cant see anything here but deflection.
I call it a muslim ban and you call it whatever you think sounds ok.
We can agree that it is "something" though and the OP outlines that it is a blunt instrument and of little use.
The fact that you cant debate that point shows that you have little to offer to this discussion.

And can I just add that describing a poster as a "lying sack of shit" for holding an opposing view is not the conduct you would expect from a mod, even one as limited as yourself.

Ummmm, that's because you're "not sharp". I refer to you a s a lying sack of shit because of your well known posting history. I also feel justified in doing so because your very OP here is a lie. Your opinion is factually wrong. Your opinion is valid only if you perpetuate the lie that it is a ban. As any student of the English language knows a ban implies no one can come in. That is not the case here. They are not being prevented from entering. They are merely being slowed down so that we have time to fully investigate them.

Feel free to present ANY evidence that refutes what I have just posted.

Again you post your opinion as fact and dismiss mine because you dont like it. You use your position to abuse me because you can and yet you cannot address the OP because you know I am right.

Lets try it a different way. Lets see if you can stay on topic ?

Would either of Trumps EOs have been able to prevent a similar event happening in the US as happened in London ?

You know that they would not and therefore they are blunt tools.

If Trump proposed a Muslim ban why are 85% of the world's muslims still eligible to emigrate to the US?
Your entire thread premise is based in a lie.

Trump called it a muslim ban and the courts agreed. I take it you agree that it is a waste of time?

A Muslim ban that allows for 85% of muslims is not a muslim ban. You're lying again.

 

[Tilly]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

How can it be a Muslim ban when people of other religions in those countries are subject to the same restrictions and when 80+% of the worlds Muslims can travel to America?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

How can it be a Muslim ban when people of other religions in those countries are subject to the same restrictions and when 80+% of the worlds Muslims can travel to America?

Muslims from countries that trump does business in can travel to the US. Why dont you address the OP ?

 

[Tilly]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

Trump has no muslim ban you lying sack of shit.

Why dont you address the OP rather than abuse the poster ?
I would report it to a mod but he would probably support you.

He did address the OP.

 

[Tilly]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

How can it be a Muslim ban when people of other religions in those countries are subject to the same restrictions and when 80+% of the worlds Muslims can travel to America?

Muslims from countries that trump does business in can travel to the US. Why dont you address the OP ?

I have addressed the OP - 'Muslim ban - blunt instrument' by explaining to you how there is no Muslim ban. This is yet another of your troll posts. THERE IS NO MUSLIM BAN ;-)

 

[Tilly]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

No I am pointing out that you are a lying sack of shit like most progressives. It is not a Muslim ban. It is a country delay. There is no "ban". An honest person would acknowledge that fact. You however are far, far from honest. It is a delay, and that is all. It does not prevent ANYONE from coming here. What it does do is delay how fast they can get here. Period.

Again I cant see anything here but deflection.
I call it a muslim ban and you call it whatever you think sounds ok.
We can agree that it is "something" though and the OP outlines that it is a blunt instrument and of little use.
The fact that you cant debate that point shows that you have little to offer to this discussion.

And can I just add that describing a poster as a "lying sack of shit" for holding an opposing view is not the conduct you would expect from a mod, even one as limited as yourself.

The whole premise of your thread is that t is a Muslim ban and that the Muslim ban is a blunt instrument. But there isn't a Muslim ban. Why can't you start better threads?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

How can it be a Muslim ban when people of other religions in those countries are subject to the same restrictions and when 80+% of the worlds Muslims can travel to America?

Muslims from countries that trump does business in can travel to the US. Why dont you address the OP ?

I have addressed the OP - 'Muslim ban - blunt instrument' by explaining to you how there is no Muslim ban. This is yet another of your troll posts. THERE IS NO MUSLIM BAN ;-)

Well the US courts disagree with you.

Why dont you call it an EO ? Do you think its an effective measure ?

 

[Tilly]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

How can it be a Muslim ban when people of other religions in those countries are subject to the same restrictions and when 80+% of the worlds Muslims can travel to America?

Muslims from countries that trump does business in can travel to the US. Why dont you address the OP ?

I have addressed the OP - 'Muslim ban - blunt instrument' by explaining to you how there is no Muslim ban. This is yet another of your troll posts. THERE IS NO MUSLIM BAN ;-)

Well the US courts disagree with you.

Why dont you call it an EO ? Do you think its an effective measure ?

Why don't YOU stop erroneously calling it a Muslim ban?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No, you are just deflecting because you know that the orange rodent has screwed up on this.

Its a muslim ban because that is what he promised and that is how the courts saw it. Its unconstitutional.

Now address the Op and stop being a silly boy.

How can it be a Muslim ban when people of other religions in those countries are subject to the same restrictions and when 80+% of the worlds Muslims can travel to America?

Muslims from countries that trump does business in can travel to the US. Why dont you address the OP ?

I have addressed the OP - 'Muslim ban - blunt instrument' by explaining to you how there is no Muslim ban. This is yet another of your troll posts. THERE IS NO MUSLIM BAN ;-)

Well the US courts disagree with you.

Why dont you call it an EO ? Do you think its an effective measure ?

Why don't YOU stop erroneously calling it a Muslim ban?

Well lets call it an Exec Order to keep you happy. do you agree that it is more or less useless. I asked westwall this earlier on and he disappeared.

Will you answer ?

 

[Political Junky]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

Of course he wouldn't. he's an english retard. Like you. However, were he a normal terrorist retard from the listed countries he would have been prevented. Muslim or not. Remember you're always warning us about those baaaaaad christian terrorists, well amazingly enough, they would be prevented from entering too. So see, it's not a "Muslim" ban, like you all like to claim it is because you are all douchebag liars, but a PERSON ban, so that anyone coming in can be properly investigated.

Get your facts straight...moron.

Thank you for admitting that trumps Muslim ban would not have stopped this character,or any other terrorist from the countries not covered by the Muslim ban, from carrying out a similar attack in the US.

Which begs the question, why is trump bothering with it ?

For votes

 

[westwall]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

Of course he wouldn't. he's an english retard. Like you. However, were he a normal terrorist retard from the listed countries he would have been prevented. Muslim or not. Remember you're always warning us about those baaaaaad christian terrorists, well amazingly enough, they would be prevented from entering too. So see, it's not a "Muslim" ban, like you all like to claim it is because you are all douchebag liars, but a PERSON ban, so that anyone coming in can be properly investigated.

Get your facts straight...moron.

Thank you for admitting that trumps Muslim ban would not have stopped this character,or any other terrorist from the countries not covered by the Muslim ban, from carrying out a similar attack in the US.

Which begs the question, why is trump bothering with it ?

Care to support your lie that it is a Muslim ban.

I shouldnt have to school a mod on the need to address the topic rather than the poster.

Still waiting for you to show the language that makes it a "Muslim ban". C'mon tommy two shits, hop to it!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

Of course he wouldn't. he's an english retard. Like you. However, were he a normal terrorist retard from the listed countries he would have been prevented. Muslim or not. Remember you're always warning us about those baaaaaad christian terrorists, well amazingly enough, they would be prevented from entering too. So see, it's not a "Muslim" ban, like you all like to claim it is because you are all douchebag liars, but a PERSON ban, so that anyone coming in can be properly investigated.

Get your facts straight...moron.

Thank you for admitting that trumps Muslim ban would not have stopped this character,or any other terrorist from the countries not covered by the Muslim ban, from carrying out a similar attack in the US.

Which begs the question, why is trump bothering with it ?

For votes

Well it looks like it. None of the trumpers on here think its any use. None of them can be arsed to defend it. But its a trump idea so they have to defend it whilst they still know its lunacy.

 

[koshergrl]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

That's because the travel ban Trump used isn't a Muslim ban.

But maybe it should be.

And why wasn't the Muslim terrorist in prison for those previous violent offenses?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

Of course he wouldn't. he's an english retard. Like you. However, were he a normal terrorist retard from the listed countries he would have been prevented. Muslim or not. Remember you're always warning us about those baaaaaad christian terrorists, well amazingly enough, they would be prevented from entering too. So see, it's not a "Muslim" ban, like you all like to claim it is because you are all douchebag liars, but a PERSON ban, so that anyone coming in can be properly investigated.

Get your facts straight...moron.

Thank you for admitting that trumps Muslim ban would not have stopped this character,or any other terrorist from the countries not covered by the Muslim ban, from carrying out a similar attack in the US.

Which begs the question, why is trump bothering with it ?

Care to support your lie that it is a Muslim ban.

I shouldnt have to school a mod on the need to address the topic rather than the poster.

Still waiting for you to show the language that makes it a "Muslim ban". C'mon tommy two shits, hop to it!

If you check out post 35 I have given you a get out clause. Now answer the question Sparky.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

That's because the travel ban Trump used isn't a Muslim ban.

But maybe it should be.

And why wasn't the Muslim terrorist in prison for those previous violent offenses?

I am guessing that he was sentenced and served his time on those offences. If you have more information please share.

 

[koshergrl]

The London attacker was born in Kent and would not have been stopped by Trumps muslim ban.

However I do believe his previous criminal record would have meant that he would have been refused entry under previous regulations.


Khalid Masood was known to police but not subject of surveillance
Masood, 52, was born in Kent and detectives believe he was most recently living in the West Midlands. Masood was also known by a number of aliases, police said in a statement.

Scotland Yard said Masood was not the subject of any current investigations and there was no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack.

However, he was known to police and had a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.

His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

He had not been convicted for any terrorism offences.

Anyone with any information about Masood can call the anti-terrorist hotline 0800 789 321.

Trumps muslim ban is just pandering to the low intelligence types who voted for him.

That's because the travel ban Trump used isn't a Muslim ban.

But maybe it should be.

And why wasn't the Muslim terrorist in prison for those previous violent offenses?

I am guessing that he was sentenced and served his time on those offences. If you have more information please share.

Obviously, they weren't severe enough. That's what happens when you refuse to hold violent criminals accountable, just because they are muslims.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Off to bed now. I look forward to seeing one post defending this nonsense when I get up in the morning. I doubt that I will see one.

 

[westwall]

Of course he wouldn't. he's an english retard. Like you. However, were he a normal terrorist retard from the listed countries he would have been prevented. Muslim or not. Remember you're always warning us about those baaaaaad christian terrorists, well amazingly enough, they would be prevented from entering too. So see, it's not a "Muslim" ban, like you all like to claim it is because you are all douchebag liars, but a PERSON ban, so that anyone coming in can be properly investigated.

Get your facts straight...moron.

Thank you for admitting that trumps Muslim ban would not have stopped this character,or any other terrorist from the countries not covered by the Muslim ban, from carrying out a similar attack in the US.

Which begs the question, why is trump bothering with it ?

Care to support your lie that it is a Muslim ban.

I shouldnt have to school a mod on the need to address the topic rather than the poster.

Still waiting for you to show the language that makes it a "Muslim ban". C'mon tommy two shits, hop to it!

If you check out post 35 I have given you a get out clause. Now answer the question Sparky.

Still waiting for you to provide supporting documentation that trumps EO's are "Muslim bans". Your entire OP is a lie clown boy.