Musk's DOGE Takes Aim at the Penny

About time.

I was in the Army in German in the early and late 80's. The PX, the Commisary, the liquor store didn't take or give pennies. They rounded.

The only place I got pennies was from the post office.

We did not miss them at all.
 
If it were anyone but a tech bro proposing this, I suppose it would be a good thing.

. .. most folks should know Musk has an ulterior agenda on this though.
 
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Have you sorted them, in search of the pre-1983 copper ones? They're sometimes worth more than three times face value, depending on the price of copper.

I love collecting copper pennies.


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I go with the investment grade pennies. MS certainly does increase the worth of that cent.
 
MoneyWatch

Elon Musk's DOGE has a new target for cutting federal spending: the U.S. penny​

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By Aimee Picchi
Billionaire Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency has a new target in its sights for trimming federal spending: the U.S. penny.
In Tuesday X post, Musk's DOGE wrote that the U.S. spends about 3 cents to mint each penny, which, of course, is only valued at 1 cent.

"The penny costs over 3 cents to make and cost U.S. taxpayers over $179 million in FY2023," DOGE wrote. "The Mint produced over 4.5 billion pennies in FY2023, around 40% of the 11.4 billion coins for circulation produced."

In pointing out the penny's costliness, DOGE is taking aim at an issue that has sparked debate for years, although the price of manufacturing the cent has only grown over the past several years. In 2016, for instance, the U.S. was spending about 1.5 cents to mint each penny, or less than half of its current manufacturing cost.

My comment:

As a coin enthusiast, I have always taken note of news about the penny. They've been calling to eliminate the penny since at least the 1970's, citing costs. In 1982 the Treasury started minting pennies that were 95% zinc, instead of copper, later to increase to 97.5% zinc. I will say the new pennies are crap. Zinc deteriorates. Zinc pennies are often chipped, discolored, and rotted due to moisture. In my charity, I go through thousands of pennies a week. I have to throw out probably 25 pennies per thousand because they are unsuitable for merchants I sell them back to. You don't see that with the 95% copper pennies minted before that year. Copper holds up well. The melt value of copper pennies alone is about 2.8 cents apiece. If the penny goes away, it will likely become legal to melt coppers, since the purpose of the anti-melting law was to keep coins in circulation. We saw massive melting in 1965 after the Coinage Act in which the dime, quarter, and half dollar were no longer made of 90% silver. In 1970, they eliminated the 40% silver half. Within a few years, it became very difficult to find silver coins in change, although I got a silver dime just last week. I let out a yell whenever that happens.

Believe it or not, you can get 2 to 1 on the open market (Ebay) for pre-1982 copper pennies, even though they comprise 12% of pennies you find in change. Who would pay that? But people do. Wheat stalks are another matter. Minted from 1909-58, they'll bring up to five cents apiece. Probably 1 in 300 are wheat stalks from my experience.

I personally think the penny should go. Inflation has worn them down to nothing, and they're a pain in the ass to deal with. Canada stopped minting pennies in 2012. They have merchants round to the nearest five. Though they are still legal tender, pennies have become much scarcer there. It's one of the few things Canada does smarter than us. I have saved probably 40 peanut jars of coppers. Each jar holds 2000. Face value $800. I concocted a gizmo that separates out the copper specimens using magnets and a ramp made of angle aluminum. Wife thinks the whole thing is ridiculous. I'm hoping they'll be worth a lot once pennies are discontinued. I tell myself maybe they'll pay for college for the grandbabies some day. In reality, my kids will probably have to haul them out after I'm at the undertaker's, cussing me all the way.
We should end pennies along with Daylight Savings Time
 
Copper pennies per # .....145 = $1.45

Scrap copper per # today....Around $4.20.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the law was changed some years back about selling coinage as scrap. Used to be you could not as it was considered defacing.
 
Merchants would love for pennies to disappear. Making change for cash sales would be much easier. It would make bookkeeping easier as well. Kids love pennies but they would love nickels even more.
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I remember when finding a penny on the sidewalk made me feel rich! It meant I could go to the corner store and get a root beer barrel, which meant about a half hour of sweet fun!


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I have a box full of minty 1963 pennies with a stamp of a pipe or cigar in Lincoln's mouth.
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I remember when finding a penny on the sidewalk made me feel rich! It meant I could go to the corner store and get a root beer barrel, which meant about a half hour of sweet fun!


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or a pixie stick, roll of smarties or a roll of mini malted milk balls. A kid could get a whole bag of candy for fifty cents.
 
Copper pennies per # .....145 = $1.45

Scrap copper per # today....Around $4.20.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the law was changed some years back about selling coinage as scrap. Used to be you could not as it was considered defacing.
I don't think that law has been enforced since at least the 60s.
 
Steel pennies. 1943. All pennies are metal. Just sayin. As for exact change, many businesses are already rounding up and down. I see it in Mom & Pop shops increasingly every day.
yes steel penny, I have dozens and they are neat but were often mistake for a dime I read
I can't imagine any store rounding down, lose 2 cents on purchases can add up but nobody ever wants to pay more either
 
Modern pennies are mostly zinc. How can it be so expensive to produce? The freaking things dissolve in salt water. How much did it cost to redesign the logo? Maybe typical government inefficiency is responsible for the cost.
 
They also don't return two cents in change. It works out in the wash.
I only use a CC that pays 2% back, why would I bother with cash and change, nah
I only have cash as a backup in that rare case their system is down and I don't want to put stuff back
only happened once in 20+ years the store internet was down
less cash, less if you get robbed, I have never and don't plan on it either
 
How much is the annual fee? How about interest charges. If your CC isn't free of annual fees and you don't pay it in full every month, you're losing money.
no fee at all, 2% of my own money back and if you put your bills on it, well it adds up pretty fast

I have citi but wells fargo now has a 2% card too

pay cash, you get 0% back
 
no fee at all, 2% of my own money back and if you put your bills on it, well it adds up pretty fast

I have citi but wells fargo now has a 2% card too

pay cash, you get 0% back
I know all about CCs. I've had the same card for thirty years with no annual fee and cash back as well. I also pay it in full every month. I am also aware that CC companies can change the terms any time they want -- Citibank is famous for it. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a time and place for them, but I still believe cash is king and I really like the anonymity of using cash.
 
I know all about CCs. I've had the same card for thirty years with no annual fee and cash back as well. I also pay it in full every month. I am also aware that CC companies can change the terms any time they want -- Citibank is famous for it. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a time and place for them, but I still believe cash is king and I really like the anonymity of using cash.
same here but I never had citi change any terms on me ever and the few times somehow my card got hacked they were quick to block it, send me an alert to ask if the charge is legit or not and send me a new card overnight
cash is only good in that sense if you are doing something you don't want your bank to see
strip clubs perhaps? bars and escorts? :)
 

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