Musk Feedback on Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill"

[80zephyr]

one fact you cannot dismiss because it is FACT

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one fact you cannot dismiss because it is FACT

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Total war deaths: 626,761 soldiers killed under Democrats and 26,895 killed under Republican presidents.

If yours is correct, so is mine. Or is there more nuance to these figures?

 

[Luckyone]

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/17/432578282/fact-check-is-it-obamas-fault-that-poverty-has-grown

The poor and middle class did worse or at best treaded water while the stock markets and corporate profits soared.

Of course they did but it was not Obama's fault. What Bush did was create the situation where poverty had to grow because of what he did that Obama tried to FIX.

It is like blaming Biden for the increase of deaths from Covid (which did happen) but then it was the fact that Trump allowed the spread of the disease to grow more than it should have and therefore, more people died under Biden than under Trump because the spread of the disease has started to grow.

 

[pknopp]

Of course they did but it was not Obama's fault. What Bush did was create the situation where poverty had to grow because of what he did that Obama tried to FIX.

It is like blaming Biden for the increase of deaths from Covid (which did happen) but then it was the fact that Trump allowed the spread of the disease to grow more than it should have and therefore, more people died under Biden than under Trump because the spread of the disease has started to grow.

Dismissed.

 

[Muhammed]

No, I did not say anything. Musk said it!

I'm not talking about Musk, you low IQ party of slavery supporting dumbass.

 

[Luckyone]

Total war deaths: 626,761 soldiers killed under Democrats and 26,895 killed under Republican presidents.

If yours is correct, so is mine. Or is there more nuance to these figures?

Wars are usually started by other nations (not by us) and therefore your statistic has a flaw, given that you need to prove that under the Democrats, it was they that caused the wars that killed more people.

Having said, here is another negative fact against the Republicans.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

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Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

It will never cease to amaze me how both hypocritical and just plain blind people are.
And you are both with this statement.
As if republicans have a market on lying politicians.

All this does is make people read your post and just say - STFU

 

[pknopp]

Wars are usually started by other nations (not by us) and therefore your statistic has a flaw, given that you need to prove that under the Democrats, it was they that caused the wars that killed more people.

Having said, here is another negative fact against the Republicans.

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The problem with that is James Clapper should have been indicted. Lois Lerner should have been indicted. Eric Holder should have been indicted. Every one involved in the "it was about a video" should have been indicted.

 

[Luckyone]

The problem with that is James Clapper should have been indicted. Lois Lerner should have been indicted. Eric Holder should have been indicted. Every one involved in the "it was about a video" should have been indicted.

Prove why they should have been indicted and prove that they weren't, simply because the Democrats did not WANT to do it.

 

[Luckyone]

It will never cease to amaze me how both hypocritical and just plain blind people are.
And you are both with this statement.
As if republicans have a market on lying politicians.

All this does is make people read your post and just say - STFU

Meaning that if the Democrats do it, it is okay for Trump to do it, right? If that is what you believe, then you have no right to criticize the Democrats, given that you support Trump doing it.

 

[pknopp]

Prove why they should have been indicted and prove that they weren't, simply because the Democrats did not WANT to do it.

I don't have to prove something I never argued. Republicans were complicitous also.

 

[pknopp]

Meaning that if the Democrats do it, it is okay for Trump to do it, right? If that is what you believe, then you have no right to criticize the Democrats, given that you support Trump doing it.

You defend Democrats no matter what they do so you can not expect MAGA to be any better.

 

[Luckyone]

I don't have to prove something I never argued. Republicans were complicitous also.

You made the statement that those people should have been indicted. You need to prove why you believe that.

 

[YoursTruly]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

If Trump says it's OK, then to the Trump supporters, it's OK.

Increased spending.... OK
Funding Ukraine.....Ok
Increased debt ceiling......OK
Keeping Russia's oil ban in place......OK
Higher tariffs/taxes......Ok
Endorsing Mike Johnson for speaker......OK

They don't even care.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

In Washington, federal workers say that DOGE has left the government's operations in disarray. And worst of all, it might have all been for nothing. Musk claims to have saved the government $175 billion so far (nowhere close to his original target of $2 trillion, or even his revised target of $1 trillion).

And that was before the president's new spending bill passed the House. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the president's proposed budget will add $3.8 trillion to our debt over the next ten years. It's now being debated in the Senate.

Musk said, "I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, doesn't decrease it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

I said, "I actually thought that, when this 'big, beautiful bill' came along, it'd be like, everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped out in the first year."

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

I too am disappointed at the spending bill.

 

[pknopp]

You made the statement that those people should have been indicted. You need to prove why you believe that.

The thing is, you know what happened.

James Clapper's perjury, and why DC made men don't get charged for lying to Congress

In DC, perjury is not simply tolerated, it is rewarded. In a city of made men and women, nothing says loyalty quite as much as lying under oath.

www.usatoday.com

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Meaning that if the Democrats do it, it is okay for Trump to do it, right? If that is what you believe, then you have no right to criticize the Democrats, given that you support Trump doing it.

Again - you show your blind bias.
What I am saying is that neither party has a market on lying to us.
-WASHINGTON - BOTH PARTIES - Have systematically put measures and policies in place that have thoroughly fucked the middle class in order to build and maintain a small elite group of people that are exceedingly rich and own everything. It is called Corporatism, and it has completely taken over both parties beginning in the early 80s/late 70s.
All of this partisan mud slingling and -NEVER - looking at your own damn corrupt party is why they have been able to do this to us, and will continue to do it until there are no privately owned businesses left. And, thanks to Obama and companies like Blackrock they are working on owning all of our homes now as well.

The Ties That Bind: BlackRock and Biden — Nicollet Investment Management

It’s no understatement to point out that BlackRock has strong ties to Washington, D.C., and the firm now has a profound influence on the Biden administration…

www.nicolletinvest.com

 

[YoursTruly]

Lol.

Now you suddenly care about what Musk says? Well then. People like you sway about like wheat stalks in the wind.

When Musk was tasked with weeding out the waste and fraud so the government could save money, only to find out the government is going to spend more money, it doesn't matter what Elon says about it. What should be the concern of everyone is that the government is going to spend more money.
That's Elon's point.

He's literally just the messenger. Don't overlook the message.

 

[Luckyone]

You defend Democrats no matter what they do so you can not expect MAGA to be any better.

You also need to prove that I defend Democrats.

There has not been one single post of mine where I defend the Democrats. I am an independent that criticizes all, when something wrong is done. As such, I am not partisan in any way. I am a person that deals with data, statistics and facts and everything that I talk about is based on that.

As such, I defend all people (not just the Democrats) when an injustice has been made about them. I criticize all when they have done an injustice.

 

[pknopp]

You also need to prove that I defend Democrats.

Exhibit A. This thread.

There has not been one single post of mine where I defend the Democrats. I am an independent that criticizes all, when something wrong is done. As such, I am not partisan in any way. I am a person that deals with data, statistics and facts and everything that I talk about is based on that.

As such, I defend all people (not just the Democrats) when an injustice has been made about them. I criticize all when they have done an injustice.

Lets see you. Condemn Obama for spying on Americans Unconstitutionally and filing Wall Street coffers with billions of dollars.

 

[Dekster]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

In Washington, federal workers say that DOGE has left the government's operations in disarray. And worst of all, it might have all been for nothing. Musk claims to have saved the government $175 billion so far (nowhere close to his original target of $2 trillion, or even his revised target of $1 trillion).

And that was before the president's new spending bill passed the House. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the president's proposed budget will add $3.8 trillion to our debt over the next ten years. It's now being debated in the Senate.

Musk said, "I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, doesn't decrease it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

I said, "I actually thought that, when this 'big, beautiful bill' came along, it'd be like, everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped out in the first year."

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

I watched the interview Sunday. Musk was a bit all over the place. I guess he was afraid to criticize Trump harshly for fear he could kill his spacex cash flow.