Musk Feedback on Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill"

[Luckyone]

It was an FYI in response to:

Well, it is a fact that the Republicans have been the ones bandying that blame. That does not mean that they are the only ones that are misinformed. Some Democrats like yourself are misinformed as well, and do question charts and statistics.

and I was proving how fiction passes for fact with white liberals.

Fiction? You mean GDP numbers, income information, employment data, and stock market prices are FICTION?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

GDP, income increases, employment figures, and the Stock market figures for the past 63 years, proves the chart is correct.

so now you are claiming you have proof that the proof is proof, perhaps you could post an age old "chart" to back up that claim as well

No typos in any of that stuff.

v v v these are not typo's?

I did not mention who said in either party about it.

Actually is you look at the chart itself

I will drop my objections to your incorrect use of proof and your "TDS" as well if ^this^ tell me this is normal speech for you

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Well, it is a fact that the Republicans have been the ones bandying that blame.

what does that have to do with me?

That does not mean that they are the only ones that are misinformed.

Yeah, no kidding...You seem to be turning a corner here

Some Democrats like yourself are misinformed as well, and do question charts and statistics.

got any examples?

Fiction? You mean GDP numbers, income information, employment data, and stock market prices are FICTION?

Well, if they're not fiction that would explain their absence from the "chart".

 

[Luckyone]

what does that have to do with me?

Yeah, no kidding...You seem to be turning a corner here

got any examples?

Well, if they're not fiction that would explain their absence from the "chart".

The chart says clearly the statistics

Jobs created 24 million versus 42 million
Stock market return is 109% versus 992%
GDP 2.7% versus 4.1%
Income growth .6% versus 2.2%

If you can prove those numbers wrong, do it! Prove that they are fiction!

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Jobs created 24 million versus 42 million
Stock market return is 109% versus 992%
GDP 2.7% versus 4.1%
Income growth .6% versus 2.2%
If you can prove those numbers wrong, do it! Prove that they are fiction!

You seem upset...I noticed you've omitted the "past 50 years" claim that put the lies to those numbers, any reason for that? Is it because those numbers exist nowhere else outside of that "chart" they just do not exist, you were fooled by an old political/media ad and got caught.

 

[Luckyone]

You seem upset...I noticed you've omitted the "past 50 years" claim that put the lies to those numbers, any reason for that? Is it because those numbers exist nowhere else outside of that "chart" they just do not exist, you were fooled by an old political/media ad and got caught.

You truly are picking a fight or are a total idiot

Five charts compare Democrats and Republicans on job creation​

Our analysis of the past eight American presidents​

Mar 19th 2024

Timing is everything​

Why the economy has grown faster under Democratic presidents​

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You truly are picking a fight or are a total idiot

Taken literally ^that^ means one would be an idiot for not picking a fight with you.

Five charts compare Democrats and Republicans on job creation​

Our analysis of the past eight American presidents​

Mar 19th 2024

Timing is everything​

Why the economy has grown faster under Democratic presidents​

lol...have you tried your links? the first two are exactly the same link and in no way shape or form regurgitate the same 13 year old numbers you were fooled by and the only thing the last two have in common with your "chart" is that they do not exist in reality...

Did I mention that you seem upset

 

[Luckyone]

Taken literally ^that^ means one would be an idiot for not picking a fight with you.

lol...have you tried your links? the first two are exactly the same link and in no way shape or form regurgitate the same 13 year old numbers you were fooled by and the only thing the last two have in common with your "chart" is that they do not exist in reality...

Did I mention that you seem upset

You win, you accomplished making my list of waste-of-time people. go gloat with the other idiots and enjoy my silence

 

[Hector12]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

In Washington, federal workers say that DOGE has left the government's operations in disarray. And worst of all, it might have all been for nothing. Musk claims to have saved the government $175 billion so far (nowhere close to his original target of $2 trillion, or even his revised target of $1 trillion).

And that was before the president's new spending bill passed the House. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the president's proposed budget will add $3.8 trillion to our debt over the next ten years. It's now being debated in the Senate.

Musk said, "I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, doesn't decrease it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

I said, "I actually thought that, when this 'big, beautiful bill' came along, it'd be like, everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped out in the first year."

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You win, you accomplished making my list of waste-of-time people.

Now that hurts, so I take it all back, I swear... even pointing out the bogus "chart" scam ...j/k

go gloat with the other idiots and enjoy my silence

Scam artists are never silent...that guarantees you will be posting feverishly

 

[Stryder50]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

In Washington, federal workers say that DOGE has left the government's operations in disarray. And worst of all, it might have all been for nothing. Musk claims to have saved the government $175 billion so far (nowhere close to his original target of $2 trillion, or even his revised target of $1 trillion).

And that was before the president's new spending bill passed the House. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the president's proposed budget will add $3.8 trillion to our debt over the next ten years. It's now being debated in the Senate.

Musk said, "I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, doesn't decrease it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

I said, "I actually thought that, when this 'big, beautiful bill' came along, it'd be like, everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped out in the first year."

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

1) Note that $3.8 Trillion over TEN years equals @ $0.38 Trillion per year.

2) in the following copy-paste of part of a post I just made in another thread, we have already seen National Debt grow About $17.3 Trillion in last NINE years. The DebtClock.org site provides a "Time Machine" showing numbers back to 1980 and we see that there has been an exponential growth in Natioinal Debt no matter which party is in charge.
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Doing some rough, quick "napkin numbers", USA National Debt was @ $19.7 Trillion this date in 2016, about 7 months before Trump starts his first term.

U.S. National Debt Clock 2016

On this date four years later in 2020, USA National Debt is at @$ 26.4 Trillion, an approximate gain of @$6.7 Trillion. A bit short of your "$7.8 trillion" claim.

U.S. National Debt Clock 2020

On this date five years later in 2025, USA National Debt is up to @$37.0 Trillion. !!!, That's about $10.6 Trillion gain and less than $2 Trillion would have come from Trump's last six months of his first term and the current@5 months of this one. Looks like about 8.5 -9.0, at least of that increase is Biden/Democrats so appears Biden/DNC out spent Trump in Joe's term versus Donald's term. In other words the Democrats/Joe Biden were bigger spenders and debt makers !

https://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html

Now projecting ahead to this time in 2029, when Trump is out of office and not sure who will take his place, the trends in spending and debt show we will be at about $46.8 Trillion. A gain of about $9.8 Trillion, or average of $2.45 Trillion per year.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/current-rates.html

 

[Stryder50]

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The chart says clearly the statistics

Jobs created 24 million versus 42 million
Stock market return is 109% versus 992%
GDP 2.7% versus 4.1%
Income growth .6% versus 2.2%

If you can prove those numbers wrong, do it! Prove that they are fiction!

Huh!

This "chart" provides no documentation on sources, hence no way to check validity of the numbers/data, and methods used to compute such.
Two of the Three sources are Leftwing so that alone makes it questionable/suspicious.
Absence of dateline for those "50 years" also throw accuracy out the window.

You need to prove these numbers accurate by providing sources of the numbers and methods used to calculate what is shown.
Otherwise it is all make-believe.

 

[Stryder50]

You truly are picking a fight or are a total idiot

Five charts compare Democrats and Republicans on job creation​

Our analysis of the past eight American presidents​

Mar 19th 2024

Timing is everything​

Why the economy has grown faster under Democratic presidents​

Two require paying and an account.
I don't do that with unknowns, and should not need to if YOU are presenting such as "evidence".
The other two didn't work for my click.

This looks like more of your flim-flam bullshyte!

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

In Washington, federal workers say that DOGE has left the government's operations in disarray. And worst of all, it might have all been for nothing. Musk claims to have saved the government $175 billion so far (nowhere close to his original target of $2 trillion, or even his revised target of $1 trillion).

And that was before the president's new spending bill passed the House. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the president's proposed budget will add $3.8 trillion to our debt over the next ten years. It's now being debated in the Senate.

Musk said, "I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, doesn't decrease it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

I said, "I actually thought that, when this 'big, beautiful bill' came along, it'd be like, everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped out in the first year."

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

To actually accomplish any significant attack on the deficit, the following would have to be done. Eliminate Social Security, eliminate Medicare, eliminate Medicaid and significantly reduce military spending. Once you've done that, you will reduce the deficit.
That said, by doing this, you will put the elderly out into the street, have them dying of various health conditions due to the loss of the government paying for their care and the very poor and handicapped elderly and very young would die off.
Once you've done that, you would lose the title of being the "Greatest Nation in the World" and have to change it to one of the "cruelest to its most vulnerable population."

 

[Luckyone]

To actually accomplish any significant attack on the deficit, the following would have to be done. Eliminate Social Security, eliminate Medicare, eliminate Medicaid and significantly reduce military spending. Once you've done that, you will reduce the deficit.
That said, by doing this, you will put the elderly out into the street, have them dying of various health conditions due to the loss of the government paying for their care and the very poor and handicapped elderly and very young would die off.
Once you've done that, you would lose the title of being the "Greatest Nation in the World" and have to change it to one of the "cruelest to its most vulnerable population."

Really?

Do you not know that:

AI Overview

While President Clinton's economic policies did contribute to a reduction in the federal deficit, his actions did not include direct cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. Instead, his administration focused on tax increases, particularly for high-income earners, and spending cuts in other areas to address the deficit.

Oh, my gawd, tax increases on the rich? what a horrible idea, right?