joaquinmiller
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"Mulvaney denied, however, that investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden were factored into considerations about releasing military aid to Ukraine."
THAT MEANS IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Hey fucking idiot, just because Trump's lackey said something DOES NOT MEAN IT'S TRUE.
Bidens were SPECIFICALLY brought up on the call as a recieprocating opportunity for Ukraine for generous American aid.
Yeah.....with Trump in that phone call mentioning the Bidens 3 times and Crowdstrike only once.....and Mulveney explicitly admitting that the funding to the Ukraine was held up to get them to conduct corruption investigations.
And the Ukraine completely and utterly getting that message:
Here's the Ukraine's summary of the call with Trump BEFORE the whistleblower complaint was publicly known.
"Donald Trump expressed his conviction that the new Ukrainian government will be able to quickly improve Ukraine’s image and complete the investigation of corruption cases that have held back cooperation between the Ukraine and the United States."
There were only two cases mentioned in the call: Crowdstrike once. And the Bidens 3 times.
We have explicit admission by Trump officials of the quid quo pro.
Man you guys can spin.
Here is what Trump said about Crowdstrike and the "server" and the origins of the Mueller investigation:
I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
This was all stated first. President Zelenskyy then had a lengthy reply on how the steps they were taking to curb corruption. Later on Trump said the following:
Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that.
Then, as almost a side note, Trump said the following:
The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
Notice the difference. Yes, he did mention Biden's name 3 times and Crowdstrike only once, but that has nothing to do with the actual content, just the structure of the sentence. He was clearly adamant about the overall corruption in Ukraine and the Mueller probe. Biden's name came up because if you are talking about corruption, it is kind of hard to ignore with his son working for the company that the former prosecutor said he was investigating.
Adamant about overal corruption? WHERE? The ONLY concerns he had were about his political opposition - Crowdstrike who he thinks had alot to do with Russia investigation and Biden who was part of Obama administration and is his foremost contender for 2020 election.
There is not a single word from Trump in that call about the general corruption problems in Ukraine.
Trump was asked MULTIPLE TIMES by the reporters to name ANYONE ELSE who is not on his personal political shit list that he wanted Ukraine to investigate. Our dear Corruption Fighter still can't name anyone.
If you read the summary of the call, we never got there full transcript, you will see that the word corruption was never used at all by trump.
This was never about corruption.
This was about getting lies about Biden and his son.
How low does a person have to be to go after his opponent's child? And what does a parent's child's actions have to do with the parent? So we are now making families guilty for the actions of one member of the family?
If all trump can do is use Biden's son's actions against Biden, then Biden must not have anything that he did himself that trump can use against him.
The truth of all this, is that trump was trying to add to the Ukraine corruption. He was trying to get friends of rick perry onto the board of the state energy company. Basically trying to get some cronies from Houston to take over the Ukraine's state energy company.
That is corruption.
I find it very ironic that the most corrupt president in the history of our nation is running around screaming about corruption. LOL. The republican projection. Accuse your opponent of the crimes the republicans are guilty of committing.
This whole thing stinks. People need to be held accountable for their crimes.
It wasn't really even about investigating Biden. It was about getting a public statement that Ukraine was investigating Biden. That would dirty up Biden enough for Trump's purposes. And it was completely corrupt.