Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) married young Ayesha (MGH)

[Osomir]

Wasn't Ayesha like 5 years old? why didn't he just scoop up an adult woman?

According to a couple of Sunni hadith Aisha was around 6 when engaged to Muhammad (she was living as a refugee in Abyssinia at the time and Muhammad was in the Arabian peninsula) and married him when she was 9. The early biographies of Muhammad all contradict themselves as to Aisha's age, so as a secular historian we don't know how old she was. And why her? She was the daughter of an important ally (abu Bakr) for Muhammad and given thep olitical and social structures of the time, it was important to secure him through marriage to thus make him a part of Muhammad's family. Her father would go on to lead the ummah after Muhammad died.

Muslims know quite well. That's why they keep marrying 8 and 9 year olds, they are simply following in the footsteps of the "most perfect human" <cough>

"Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty. Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty. Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty. In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six, and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64"

***Sucks to have a pervert as prophet and founder of your religion, doesn't it?

right. Bukhari is only a Sunni hadith collection. It isn't the Quran.

 

[Roudy]

Wasn't Ayesha like 5 years old? why didn't he just scoop up an adult woman?

According to a couple of Sunni hadith Aisha was around 6 when engaged to Muhammad (she was living as a refugee in Abyssinia at the time and Muhammad was in the Arabian peninsula) and married him when she was 9. The early biographies of Muhammad all contradict themselves as to Aisha's age, so as a secular historian we don't know how old she was. And why her? She was the daughter of an important ally (abu Bakr) for Muhammad and given thep olitical and social structures of the time, it was important to secure him through marriage to thus make him a part of Muhammad's family. Her father would go on to lead the ummah after Muhammad died.

Muslims know quite well. That's why they keep marrying 8 and 9 year olds, they are simply following in the footsteps of the "most perfect human" <cough>

"Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty. Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty. Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty. In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six, and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64"

***Sucks to have a pervert as prophet and founder of your religion, doesn't it?

right. Bukhari is only a Sunni hadith collection. It isn't the Quran.

And? No question that Muslims believe they are sanctioned by their prophets actions to marry prepubescent girls.

 

[Osomir]

Wasn't Ayesha like 5 years old? why didn't he just scoop up an adult woman?

According to a couple of Sunni hadith Aisha was around 6 when engaged to Muhammad (she was living as a refugee in Abyssinia at the time and Muhammad was in the Arabian peninsula) and married him when she was 9. The early biographies of Muhammad all contradict themselves as to Aisha's age, so as a secular historian we don't know how old she was. And why her? She was the daughter of an important ally (abu Bakr) for Muhammad and given thep olitical and social structures of the time, it was important to secure him through marriage to thus make him a part of Muhammad's family. Her father would go on to lead the ummah after Muhammad died.

Muslims know quite well. That's why they keep marrying 8 and 9 year olds, they are simply following in the footsteps of the "most perfect human" <cough>

"Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty. Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty. Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty. In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six, and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64"

***Sucks to have a pervert as prophet and founder of your religion, doesn't it?

right. Bukhari is only a Sunni hadith collection. It isn't the Quran.

And? No question that Muslims believe they are sanctioned by their prophets actions to marry prepubescent girls.

You realize that not every Muslim follows the Bukhari collection right? I know you don't, the question was just for the sake of pushing the point. I am familiar with the last time we spoke of Yemen and you couldn't tell the difference between hadiths and Quranic verse. At least you still don't think that hadiths come from the Quran.

 

[Roudy]

Wasn't Ayesha like 5 years old? why didn't he just scoop up an adult woman?

According to a couple of Sunni hadith Aisha was around 6 when engaged to Muhammad (she was living as a refugee in Abyssinia at the time and Muhammad was in the Arabian peninsula) and married him when she was 9. The early biographies of Muhammad all contradict themselves as to Aisha's age, so as a secular historian we don't know how old she was. And why her? She was the daughter of an important ally (abu Bakr) for Muhammad and given thep olitical and social structures of the time, it was important to secure him through marriage to thus make him a part of Muhammad's family. Her father would go on to lead the ummah after Muhammad died.

Muslims know quite well. That's why they keep marrying 8 and 9 year olds, they are simply following in the footsteps of the "most perfect human" <cough>

"Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty. Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty. Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty. In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six, and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64"

***Sucks to have a pervert as prophet and founder of your religion, doesn't it?

right. Bukhari is only a Sunni hadith collection. It isn't the Quran.

And? No question that Muslims believe they are sanctioned by their prophets actions to marry prepubescent girls.

You realize that not every Muslim follows the Bukhari collection right? I know you don't, the question was just for the sake of pushing the point. I am familiar with the last time we spoke of Yemen and you couldn't tell the difference between hadiths and Quranic verse. At least you still don't think that hadiths come from the Quran.

As usual you are squirming. Doesn't matter what a non-Muslim infidel kafar like me thinks. Nor does it matter what your bogus thoughts are. Muslim men are allowed to marry little girls because their prophet did so. On this most of them agree, Sunni, Shia, or otherwise. Period end of story.

Hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎) in Islamic religious use is often translated as "prophetic traditions", meaning the corpus of the reports of the teachings, deeds and sayings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The hadith literature was compiled from oral reports that were in circulation in society around the time of their compilation long after the death of Muhammad. Bukhari's collection is considered the most reliable by many traditional religious scholars who are Sunnis. The Shi'as believe in an entirely separate body of hadith.

The hadith also had a profound and controversial influence on moulding the commentaries (tafsir) on the Quran. The earliest commentary of the Quran by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari is mostly sourced from the hadith. The hadith was used in forming the basis of 'Shariah' Law. Much of early Islamic history available today is also based on the hadith and is challenged for lack of basis in primary source material and contradictions based on secondary material available.

Each hadith is based on two parts, a chain of narrators reporting the hadith (isnad), and the text itself (matn). Hadiths are still regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Quran and in matters of jurisprudence. Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The largest denominations of Islam, Sunni, Shiʻa, and Ibadi, rely upon different sets of hadith collections. Ahmadis generally rely upon Sunni Hadith collections. Clerics and jurists of all denominations classify individual hadith as sahih("authentic"), hasan ("good") and da'if ("weak"). However, different traditions within each denomination, and different scholars within each tradition, may differ as to which hadith should be included in which category.

 

[Osomir]

According to a couple of Sunni hadith Aisha was around 6 when engaged to Muhammad (she was living as a refugee in Abyssinia at the time and Muhammad was in the Arabian peninsula) and married him when she was 9. The early biographies of Muhammad all contradict themselves as to Aisha's age, so as a secular historian we don't know how old she was. And why her? She was the daughter of an important ally (abu Bakr) for Muhammad and given thep olitical and social structures of the time, it was important to secure him through marriage to thus make him a part of Muhammad's family. Her father would go on to lead the ummah after Muhammad died.

Muslims know quite well. That's why they keep marrying 8 and 9 year olds, they are simply following in the footsteps of the "most perfect human" <cough>

"Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty. Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty. Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty. In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six, and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64"

***Sucks to have a pervert as prophet and founder of your religion, doesn't it?

right. Bukhari is only a Sunni hadith collection. It isn't the Quran.

And? No question that Muslims believe they are sanctioned by their prophets actions to marry prepubescent girls.

You realize that not every Muslim follows the Bukhari collection right? I know you don't, the question was just for the sake of pushing the point. I am familiar with the last time we spoke of Yemen and you couldn't tell the difference between hadiths and Quranic verse. At least you still don't think that hadiths come from the Quran.

As usual you are squirming. Doesn't matter what a non-Muslim infidel kafar like me thinks. Nor does it matter what your bogus thoughts are. Muslim men are allowed to marry little girls because their prophet did so. On this most of them agree, Sunni, Shia, or otherwise. Period end of story.

Hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎) in Islamic religious use is often translated as "prophetic traditions", meaning the corpus of the reports of the teachings, deeds and sayings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The hadith literature was compiled from oral reports that were in circulation in society around the time of their compilation long after the death of Muhammad. Bukhari's collection is considered the most reliable by many traditional religious scholars who are Sunnis. The Shi'as believe in an entirely separate body of hadith.

The hadith also had a profound and controversial influence on moulding the commentaries (tafsir) on the Quran. The earliest commentary of the Quran by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari is mostly sourced from the hadith. The hadith was used in forming the basis of 'Shariah' Law. Much of early Islamic history available today is also based on the hadith and is challenged for lack of basis in primary source material and contradictions based on secondary material available.

Each hadith is based on two parts, a chain of narrators reporting the hadith (isnad), and the text itself (matn). Hadiths are still regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Quran and in matters of jurisprudence. Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The largest denominations of Islam, Sunni, Shiʻa, and Ibadi, rely upon different sets of hadith collections. Ahmadis generally rely upon Sunni Hadith collections. Clerics and jurists of all denominations classify individual hadith as sahih("authentic"), hasan ("good") and da'if ("weak"). However, different traditions within each denomination, and different scholars within each tradition, may differ as to which hadith should be included in which category.

Shias don't follow the Bukhari hadith collections. Nothing you have posted thus far applies to them.

 

[Hollie]

Wasn't Ayesha like 5 years old? why didn't he just scoop up an adult woman?

According to a couple of Sunni hadith Aisha was around 6 when engaged to Muhammad (she was living as a refugee in Abyssinia at the time and Muhammad was in the Arabian peninsula) and married him when she was 9. The early biographies of Muhammad all contradict themselves as to Aisha's age, so as a secular historian we don't know how old she was. And why her? She was the daughter of an important ally (abu Bakr) for Muhammad and given thep olitical and social structures of the time, it was important to secure him through marriage to thus make him a part of Muhammad's family. Her father would go on to lead the ummah after Muhammad died.

It really is a shame that the idol worshipping of Muhammud (swish) extends to making allowances for child brides.

Doesn't anyone find a certain horror in an old man having sexual relations with a child who might otherwise be playing with dolls?

 

[Roudy]

Muslims know quite well. That's why they keep marrying 8 and 9 year olds, they are simply following in the footsteps of the "most perfect human" <cough>

"Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty. Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty. Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty. In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six, and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64"

***Sucks to have a pervert as prophet and founder of your religion, doesn't it?

right. Bukhari is only a Sunni hadith collection. It isn't the Quran.

And? No question that Muslims believe they are sanctioned by their prophets actions to marry prepubescent girls.

You realize that not every Muslim follows the Bukhari collection right? I know you don't, the question was just for the sake of pushing the point. I am familiar with the last time we spoke of Yemen and you couldn't tell the difference between hadiths and Quranic verse. At least you still don't think that hadiths come from the Quran.

As usual you are squirming. Doesn't matter what a non-Muslim infidel kafar like me thinks. Nor does it matter what your bogus thoughts are. Muslim men are allowed to marry little girls because their prophet did so. On this most of them agree, Sunni, Shia, or otherwise. Period end of story.

Hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎) in Islamic religious use is often translated as "prophetic traditions", meaning the corpus of the reports of the teachings, deeds and sayings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The hadith literature was compiled from oral reports that were in circulation in society around the time of their compilation long after the death of Muhammad. Bukhari's collection is considered the most reliable by many traditional religious scholars who are Sunnis. The Shi'as believe in an entirely separate body of hadith.

The hadith also had a profound and controversial influence on moulding the commentaries (tafsir) on the Quran. The earliest commentary of the Quran by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari is mostly sourced from the hadith. The hadith was used in forming the basis of 'Shariah' Law. Much of early Islamic history available today is also based on the hadith and is challenged for lack of basis in primary source material and contradictions based on secondary material available.

Each hadith is based on two parts, a chain of narrators reporting the hadith (isnad), and the text itself (matn). Hadiths are still regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Quran and in matters of jurisprudence. Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The largest denominations of Islam, Sunni, Shiʻa, and Ibadi, rely upon different sets of hadith collections. Ahmadis generally rely upon Sunni Hadith collections. Clerics and jurists of all denominations classify individual hadith as sahih("authentic"), hasan ("good") and da'if ("weak"). However, different traditions within each denomination, and different scholars within each tradition, may differ as to which hadith should be included in which category.

Shias don't follow the Bukhari hadith collections. Nothing you have posted thus far applies to them.

Yet child marriages were legal in Iran not too long ago. Ooooops!

You're forgetting that Iran follows shariah law.

"In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13. The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law. Iran’s clericalestablishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality. The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.” Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force.

A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift."

 

[onefour1]

While we're on the subject of sanctioned immoral acts of the muslims, I saw a video about Bacha Bazi. This is a belief among some muslims that as long as boys are not old enough to grow a beard, they are seen as being the same as women and are often sold into the sex slave business, even by their parents, and then have sex with older rich men. Watch "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan"

 

[amrchaos]

While we're on the subject of sanctioned immoral acts of the muslims, I saw a video about Bacha Bazi. This is a belief among some muslims that as long as boys are not old enough to grow a beard, they are seen as being the same as women and are often sold into the sex slave business, even by their parents, and then have sex with older rich men. Watch "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan"

What is the difference between a 9 year old boy and a 9 year old girl anyway?

They both look the same and have yet to see a hot 9 year old. I've seen cute 9 year olds, but never a hot 9 year old.

Ahh hell, I just got dragged into this pointless discussion.

 

[Roudy]

Well to add to the pointless discussion, Islamic heaven promises 28 young boys as well as the by now famous 72 virgins. Molesting young boys is very common in Islamic societies that are strict and prohibit pre martial sex with severe consequences.

You have this perversion in many prohibitive environments, like for example, the Catholic Church with the priests that molested so many young boys.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[amrchaos]

Trying to get away from the concept of marrying young

Is it true that the prophet was exempt from laws that the ordinary muslim had to follow? I think I came across that concept in one of these threads.

If he was, how come? Why make an exemption for any man, despite being the prophet, to the laws handed down by God?

 

[Roudy]

Trying to get away from the concept of marrying young

Is it true that the prophet was exempt from laws that the ordinary muslim had to follow? I think I came across that concept in one of these threads.

If he was, how come? Why make an exemption for any man, despite being the prophet, to the laws handed down by God?

He was a horny pervert who kept making up these fake "revelations" to justify his perversions.

 

[amrchaos]

Trying to get away from the concept of marrying young

Is it true that the prophet was exempt from laws that the ordinary muslim had to follow? I think I came across that concept in one of these threads.

If he was, how come? Why make an exemption for any man, despite being the prophet, to the laws handed down by God?

He was a horny pervert who kept making up these fake "revelations" to justify his perversions.

i am trying to get away from that.

I understand, there is something peculiar about marrying extremely young girls in the culture.

I am trying to go to a more productive conversation such as how was moral behavior exemplified and taught to the people.

 

[Roudy]

Trying to get away from the concept of marrying young

Is it true that the prophet was exempt from laws that the ordinary muslim had to follow? I think I came across that concept in one of these threads.

If he was, how come? Why make an exemption for any man, despite being the prophet, to the laws handed down by God?

He was a horny pervert who kept making up these fake "revelations" to justify his perversions.

i am trying to get away from that.

I understand, there is something peculiar about marrying extremely young girls in the culture.

I am trying to go to a more productive conversation such as how was moral behavior exemplified and taught to the people.

It wasn't about morality. He was a brutal thug, people feared and were intimidated by him. What he said you followed, otherwise there was a price. That's how things worked back then. At some point at the height of his power, he decided to call himself "the final messenger" and everyone around him said "good idea".

 

[Muslim75]

Aisha, may God be well pleased with her was 18 years old (if I am not mistaken) at the time Muhammad died (peace be upon him and his family).

Muhammad said, more or less: Acquire knowledge of the religion from the red haired one (Aisha).

Some of us read the books of Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad), and since many of them are narrated by Aisha, and we know which ones, so we can proudly say that we received a special education, an education from Aisha, the Mother of the Believers.

 

[Hollie]

Aisha, may God be well pleased with her was 18 years old (if I am not mistaken) at the time Muhammad died (peace be upon him and his family).

Muhammad said, more or less: Acquire knowledge of the religion from the red haired one (Aisha).

Some of us read the books of Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad), and since many of them are narrated by Aisha, and we know which ones, so we can proudly say that we received a special education, an education from Aisha, the Mother of the Believers.

It goes way beyond creepy to idolize to idolize an old man leering at a child who would otherwise be playing with dolls.

 

[Muslim75]

Aisha (may God be well pleased with her) was married very young, maybe before the age of 10. Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) once told her he was shown her in a dream, in which he was announced that this was his wife. He later married her. The fact that she was married at such a young age reflects the ideal of purity carried by Islam. Islam insists on purity. For instance, the rich is not better than the poor. The boy is not better than the girl. The Arab is not better than the Non-Arab. A beautiful woman or a woman of noble lineage is not better than another woman. All men are equal, except through piety. The one more pious is better than the one less pious. Piety is the basis for superiority. However, piety is in the heart. Claiming to know what is in the heart of someone is wrong.

So a girl must be married, ideally, after puberty; as she starts to become a woman. But there is no love relationship with the husband until she becomes an adult. In any case, before adulthood or as an adult, she can not be forced. In the world of today however, this would be horrible. The laws of the countries must protect girls from that.

Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) tells us to acquire half of the knowledge of Islam from Aisha (may God be well pleased with her), which he referred to in that saying as the "red haired one" (Humayra) in Arabic.

Muhammad repeatedly mentioned that Aisha had a special superiority over women.

Aisha once asked Muhammad about how one gets excellence over someone else, in the world. Muhammad replied that it was through intellect. Aisha asked about the next world. Muhammad replied that was also through intellect. At this, Aisha remarked that since it was about the next world, there is the question of the rewards for the good deeds. Muhammad then said that people do good deeds only in proportion to their intellect.

 

[Muslim75]

Aisha (may God be well pleased with her) explains that all the deeds of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) were wonderful. She says that one day, as they were sleeping, and even as her body touched that of Muhammad, Muhammad got up asking Aisha, more or less to make space so that he could pray, in love of his Lord Glorious and High.

Aisha (may God be well pleased with her) said that the Holy Qur'an was the personality of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family).

 

[Osomir]

They were in two different countries when they were married.