MSM a traitor by booing the USA trying to balance $375B/yr deficit, while China OWES USA $750B?

[Harpy Eagle]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

We also own Chinese debt like they own ours. It is a big shell game

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

Life is not simple.

Duh you think?

I do, sadly you seem to simple to understand that simple fact.

 

[francoHFW]

Our media no longer delivers information and news.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them an enemy but I wouldn't mind at all if every single one of them went out of business

Speak for your right-wing media, by far the worst propaganda machine in our history... I admit CNN and MSNBC have gone gabfest crazy but at least they don't lie.

 

[pwing]

Lets pretend Donald Trump didn't invent "fake new
". Ok dooshbag.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989

You can't say a £25,000,000 bond from 1913 is worth £2,801,713,928 because you "adjusted for inflation".

Well, you could say that, but you'd be an idiot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

 

[healthmyths]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware​

of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!​

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

 

[healthmyths]

Great IDEA! Sounds simple doesn't it?

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

China doesn’t owe you any money. A trade deficit isn’t a debt. The fact that you think they do, shows you are a complete idiot who knows nothing about what a trade deficit is.

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

 

[healthmyths]

DUMMY! China Does owe

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.


The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

No one was talking about paying the TRADE DEFICIT you idiot!
The USA owes China nearly $1.1 Trillion in national debt! IDIOT!
The idea is the $1.0 Trillion owes the US and Citizens would be washed by the DEBT the USA owes China!

Now I know why people like you believe the MSM!

I am going to say it again simple hopefully you'll understand!
A) China owes on Chinese Bonds issued in 1913 over $1.0 trillion in loans made at 5% to 20,000 private investors!
B) China OWNS nearly $1 trillion in US treasuries!

It is a wash!
DUMMY!

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?

Nobody sold bonds "tied to inflationary rates". And if they did, the goofy sites you linked would say, "China owes us 5% interest plus inflation, because that's printed on the bond".

But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!

Try this exercise. You buy a $1000 bond that pays 5% interest. That means you get $50 a year.
It matures in 20 years. That means in 20 years you get your $1000 face value back.
Now, pretend over that 20 year period that inflation is 3% each and every year.
What's your $1000 worth in 20 years?

One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.

I can easily disagree with your "calculation".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Still confused about inflation and bonds?

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

 

[healthmyths]

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in. Prove me wrong! The reason was the 20,000 investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2018

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NOPE because there was in all the bonds an inflation rate built in.

They sold inflation protected bonds?
You're hilarious!!!

investors in these Chinese bonds were very aware
of the inflationary affect on Chinese currency in the 1920s!

Hey, moron, the bonds weren't in the Chinese currency.

​

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring your laughably incorrect calculation.

So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion!

Let me help you out.

5% interest compounded annually for 105 years.

(1.05^105)=167.8326

167.8326 x 25 million pounds = 4,195,815,771 pounds.

Current exchange rate, 1 pound = $1.313.

4,195,815,771 x 1.313 = $5.509 billion. Not $750 billion.

You're only off by a factor of 136.
You're off by more, considering they didn't default right after they issued, but paid decades of the 5% coupons.

 

[healthmyths]

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!
Plus as I mentioned above..
".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds! You have none!

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring your laughably incorrect calculation.

So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion!

Let me help you out.

5% interest compounded annually for 105 years.

(1.05^105)=167.8326

167.8326 x 25 million pounds = 4,195,815,771 pounds.

Current exchange rate, 1 pound = $1.313.

4,195,815,771 x 1.313 = $5.509 billion. Not $750 billion.

You're only off by a factor of 136.
You're off by more, considering they didn't default right after they issued, but paid decades of the 5% coupons.

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do and obviously MORE than you do!

In fact, China's position is in direct violation of the Successor Government Doctrine of International Law.
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor.
But currently, the People's Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

The debt owed to the American people should be paid.
The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us.

That would be $750 billion. Split 10 to 1, the U.S. taxpayer saves $700 billion in debt payments and the bond holders could receive the balance. As part of the deal, each state could receive badly needed investment funds as well.

China Owes US $1 Trillion - Make Them Pay

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you know? Prove to me that fact!

How do I know they weren't in Chinese currency?

a large tranche of £25,000,000

DERP!

".From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960."

Did you ever find a non-conspiracy source for how much they sold?
How much was bought by Americans?

Now prove to me there WAS NO INFLATION provisions in these Chinese Government bonds!

DERP!

Now, when you figure out what really happens to bond values under inflation, get back to me.

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring your laughably incorrect calculation.

So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion!

Let me help you out.

5% interest compounded annually for 105 years.

(1.05^105)=167.8326

167.8326 x 25 million pounds = 4,195,815,771 pounds.

Current exchange rate, 1 pound = $1.313.

4,195,815,771 x 1.313 = $5.509 billion. Not $750 billion.

You're only off by a factor of 136.
You're off by more, considering they didn't default right after they issued, but paid decades of the 5% coupons.

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do and obviously MORE than you do!

In fact, China's position is in direct violation of the Successor Government Doctrine of International Law.
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor.
But currently, the People's Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

The debt owed to the American people should be paid.
The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us.

That would be $750 billion. Split 10 to 1, the U.S. taxpayer saves $700 billion in debt payments and the bond holders could receive the balance. As part of the deal, each state could receive badly needed investment funds as well.

China Owes US $1 Trillion - Make Them Pay

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do

That's an awfully low bar.

I'll be glad to tell anyone you like that 25 million pound bonds in 1913 isn't worth $750 billion.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

Worldwide laughably bad math is still bad.

That would be $750 billion.

Not even close.

 

[healthmyths]

I don't have to as YOU are the one stating they are wrong!
Prove to me that I'm wrong that the Chinese bonds sold in British pounds were not tied to inflationary rates?
Get me a Chinese Bond and prove to me that there is no provision that a bond redemption value would NOT be tied to an Inflation index.
You can't any more than I can!
But you are calling into doubt the value of a Chinese bond in today's currency which is what I've calculated would be worth over a trillion in US dollars today!
One thing you can't disagree is that China OWES 20,000 US bond holders what was in bonds £2,801,713,928 equivalency today and the Interest at 5% from 1913 to 2018.
View attachment 205487

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring your laughably incorrect calculation.

So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion!

Let me help you out.

5% interest compounded annually for 105 years.

(1.05^105)=167.8326

167.8326 x 25 million pounds = 4,195,815,771 pounds.

Current exchange rate, 1 pound = $1.313.

4,195,815,771 x 1.313 = $5.509 billion. Not $750 billion.

You're only off by a factor of 136.
You're off by more, considering they didn't default right after they issued, but paid decades of the 5% coupons.

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do and obviously MORE than you do!

In fact, China's position is in direct violation of the Successor Government Doctrine of International Law.
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor.
But currently, the People's Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

The debt owed to the American people should be paid.
The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us.

That would be $750 billion. Split 10 to 1, the U.S. taxpayer saves $700 billion in debt payments and the bond holders could receive the balance. As part of the deal, each state could receive badly needed investment funds as well.

China Owes US $1 Trillion - Make Them Pay

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do

That's an awfully low bar.

I'll be glad to tell anyone you like that 25 million pound bonds in 1913 isn't worth $750 billion.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

Worldwide laughably bad math is still bad.

That would be $750 billion.

Not even close.

Richard Parker, a frequent contributor to the McClatchey –Tribune group published the first national media revelations of the pre-1949 defaulted Chinese debt of nearly $1 trillion owed to more than 20,000 Americans. Debt, that if resolved, might result in a boon to the US economy and lower our national debt at virtually no cost to American taxpayers. In “China’s Secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion,”
Parker notes in his opening stanza how this boon to the US economy could be implemented with a stroke of President Obama’s pen:
Currently, China owes over $750 billion in indebtedness to American bondholders holding full faith and credit sovereign bonds sold them by the Republic of China (ROC). The PRC refused to honor financial obligations under recognized international and commercial law. Americans holding defaulted full faith and credit obligations of the Chinese Government are therefore dependent upon the Executive branch to negotiate a resolution of claims.

Why Does China Owe Americans $1 Trillion?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Still clueless about bonds and inflation. LOL!

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring your laughably incorrect calculation.

So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion!

Let me help you out.

5% interest compounded annually for 105 years.

(1.05^105)=167.8326

167.8326 x 25 million pounds = 4,195,815,771 pounds.

Current exchange rate, 1 pound = $1.313.

4,195,815,771 x 1.313 = $5.509 billion. Not $750 billion.

You're only off by a factor of 136.
You're off by more, considering they didn't default right after they issued, but paid decades of the 5% coupons.

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do and obviously MORE than you do!

In fact, China's position is in direct violation of the Successor Government Doctrine of International Law.
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor.
But currently, the People's Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

The debt owed to the American people should be paid.
The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us.

That would be $750 billion. Split 10 to 1, the U.S. taxpayer saves $700 billion in debt payments and the bond holders could receive the balance. As part of the deal, each state could receive badly needed investment funds as well.

China Owes US $1 Trillion - Make Them Pay

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do

That's an awfully low bar.

I'll be glad to tell anyone you like that 25 million pound bonds in 1913 isn't worth $750 billion.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

Worldwide laughably bad math is still bad.

That would be $750 billion.

Not even close.

Richard Parker, a frequent contributor to the McClatchey –Tribune group published the first national media revelations of the pre-1949 defaulted Chinese debt of nearly $1 trillion owed to more than 20,000 Americans. Debt, that if resolved, might result in a boon to the US economy and lower our national debt at virtually no cost to American taxpayers. In “China’s Secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion,”
Parker notes in his opening stanza how this boon to the US economy could be implemented with a stroke of President Obama’s pen:
Currently, China owes over $750 billion in indebtedness to American bondholders holding full faith and credit sovereign bonds sold them by the Republic of China (ROC). The PRC refused to honor financial obligations under recognized international and commercial law. Americans holding defaulted full faith and credit obligations of the Chinese Government are therefore dependent upon the Executive branch to negotiate a resolution of claims.

Why Does China Owe Americans $1 Trillion?

Without hard data showing how much debt was issued, in what year, with what coupon, that claim is impossible to confirm or deny.

It's a ridiculous claim.

Not as ridiculous as claiming a single 25 million pound bond issue puts China on the hook for $1.009 TRILLION. That was beyond hilarious!!

It may be noteworthy how the issue is described, "From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 "

That leads me to believe that it's one of the largest if not the largest defaulted issue.

Also notice, it said millions of dollars, not billions.
If they had issued $1 billion total, even back in 1913 at 5% and defaulted immediately,
that would still be less than $168 billion.

Please let me know if there is ever any other math I can help you with.

 

[healthmyths]

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.
So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion! Period.

And YOU are STILL ignoring the $750 Billon that is owed that in todays dollars would be over a trillion dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring your laughably incorrect calculation.

So ignore the inflation VALUE the bonds are Worth $750 billion!

Let me help you out.

5% interest compounded annually for 105 years.

(1.05^105)=167.8326

167.8326 x 25 million pounds = 4,195,815,771 pounds.

Current exchange rate, 1 pound = $1.313.

4,195,815,771 x 1.313 = $5.509 billion. Not $750 billion.

You're only off by a factor of 136.
You're off by more, considering they didn't default right after they issued, but paid decades of the 5% coupons.

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do and obviously MORE than you do!

In fact, China's position is in direct violation of the Successor Government Doctrine of International Law.
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor.
But currently, the People's Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

The debt owed to the American people should be paid.
The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us.

That would be $750 billion. Split 10 to 1, the U.S. taxpayer saves $700 billion in debt payments and the bond holders could receive the balance. As part of the deal, each state could receive badly needed investment funds as well.

China Owes US $1 Trillion - Make Them Pay

Then you maybe want to tell these people as they seem to know more about it than I do

That's an awfully low bar.

I'll be glad to tell anyone you like that 25 million pound bonds in 1913 isn't worth $750 billion.

Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars.

Worldwide laughably bad math is still bad.

That would be $750 billion.

Not even close.

Richard Parker, a frequent contributor to the McClatchey –Tribune group published the first national media revelations of the pre-1949 defaulted Chinese debt of nearly $1 trillion owed to more than 20,000 Americans. Debt, that if resolved, might result in a boon to the US economy and lower our national debt at virtually no cost to American taxpayers. In “China’s Secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion,”
Parker notes in his opening stanza how this boon to the US economy could be implemented with a stroke of President Obama’s pen:
Currently, China owes over $750 billion in indebtedness to American bondholders holding full faith and credit sovereign bonds sold them by the Republic of China (ROC). The PRC refused to honor financial obligations under recognized international and commercial law. Americans holding defaulted full faith and credit obligations of the Chinese Government are therefore dependent upon the Executive branch to negotiate a resolution of claims.

Why Does China Owe Americans $1 Trillion?

Without hard data showing how much debt was issued, in what year, with what coupon, that claim is impossible to confirm or deny.

It's a ridiculous claim.

Not as ridiculous as claiming a single 25 million pound bond issue puts China on the hook for $1.009 TRILLION. That was beyond hilarious!!

It may be noteworthy how the issue is described, "From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 "

That leads me to believe that it's one of the largest if not the largest defaulted issue.

Also notice, it said millions of dollars, not billions.
If they had issued $1 billion total, even back in 1913 at 5% and defaulted immediately,
that would still be less than $168 billion.

Please let me know if there is ever any other math I can help you with.

Don't tell me tell these people as they are the ones with the bonds! China Owes US $1 Trillion - Make Them Pay