MSM a traitor by booing the USA trying to balance $375B/yr deficit, while China OWES USA $750B?

[Care4all]

Trump's going to send China a painful reminder who is boss and rules the planet.....the Chinese have developed a taste for beef but the tariffs have resulted in them removing a ban on British beef from fears of mad cow disease. They are not going to beat us regardless what the media wants you to believe..

what does a ''win'' look like, with all of this?

 

[Dragonlady]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

 

[westwall]

Say hello to inflation, for the good of the nation...

“The merchants and the traders have come; their profits are pre-ordained. Those who practice Truth reap the profits, abiding in the Will of God. With the Merchandise of Truth, they meet the Guru, who does not have a trace of greed.”

Sri Guru Granth Sahib quotes

Better a short term inflationary spike, which will cause manufacturing to move back to the USA, then the long slow death of the American manufacturing base that the "experts" policy's are driving us toward.

 

[westwall]

Trump's going to send China a painful reminder who is boss and rules the planet.....the Chinese have developed a taste for beef but the tariffs have resulted in them removing a ban on British beef from fears of mad cow disease. They are not going to beat us regardless what the media wants you to believe..

what does a ''win'' look like, with all of this?

A win will be china dropping all of its tariffs against us so that our companies can compete on an even footing with their companies. I won't even touch on their industrial espionage crap.

 

[healthmyths]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

NO YOU quit buying cheap shit! I absolutely guarantee there are items in your household made in China!

This pious dumb attitude who tells people do as I say and not as I do is what we had under Obama... remember this?

Besides what is so wrong in negotiating to get a better deal?


The Chinese Finance Ministry said Tuesday that it will cut import duties on passenger vehicles from 25% to 15%, starting July 1.
Think about that! A TARIFF on a USA made car WAS 25% now it is a grand 15% ! Wow!!
US car tariffs: Which countries have the most to lose?

Why haven't we heard more about that from the MSM?

Again this is what this thread is about...i.e. the BIASED MSM doing everything they can to bash Trump in spite of the above good news! These idiots and people that believe them
are no different than those people who cheer for the visiting team and boo the home team!

 

[Dragonlady]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

NO YOU quit buying cheap shit! I absolutely guarantee there are items in your household made in China!

This pious dumb attitude who tells people do as I say and not as I do is what we had under Obama... remember this?

Besides what is so wrong in negotiating to get a better deal?


The Chinese Finance Ministry said Tuesday that it will cut import duties on passenger vehicles from 25% to 15%, starting July 1.
Think about that! A TARIFF on a USA made car WAS 25% now it is a grand 15% ! Wow!!
US car tariffs: Which countries have the most to lose?

Why haven't we heard more about that from the MSM?

Again this is what this thread is about...i.e. the BIASED MSM doing everything they can to bash Trump in spite of the above good news! These idiots and people that believe them
are no different than those people who cheer for the visiting team and boo the home team!
View attachment 203753

You said this thread was about trade.

I’m less concerned about the mainstream media reporting that Trump is mismanaging trade and foreign policy than I am about idiots like you who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground confusing trade deficits with budget deficits.

Trump is gaslighting Americans on trade. Having a trade deficit isn’t a bad thing. It simply means you’re buying more goods from a country than you’re selling them. It’s only a problem if you don’t have buyers for your own goods and services which isn’t a problem in this instance.

The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. It didn’t happen because nations are screwing you over on trade. It didn’t happen because previous administrations made “bad deals”.

There are tariffs on US made cars in Europe because they don’t meet European emissions standards. The US is barred from selling some agricultural products in Europe, because the rest of the world views Monsanto a danger to agriculture in the modern world. We don’t want your GMO crops, or your pesticides and while I am not a violent person I would nuke their corporate headquarters in a heartbeat. And spread quick lime on the ashes.

If you want to do business with other countries, you can’t just come in, steam roller them and then tell us what you want us to do. It doesn’t work that way.

The rules which the World Trade Organization set up are American trading rules, and under them, the USA has prospered as no nation before it. But you have squandered your treasure on weapons, armies and wars.

No one forces the USA to spent 4% of its GDP on military. It’s the Americans who clamour for ever higher military budgets. The USA has become the world’s arms dealer and they’re now trying to force the rest of us to squandered our nations’ wealth on weapons. That would clear up those trade deficits real fast.

 

[healthmyths]

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

NO YOU quit buying cheap shit! I absolutely guarantee there are items in your household made in China!

This pious dumb attitude who tells people do as I say and not as I do is what we had under Obama... remember this?

Besides what is so wrong in negotiating to get a better deal?


The Chinese Finance Ministry said Tuesday that it will cut import duties on passenger vehicles from 25% to 15%, starting July 1.
Think about that! A TARIFF on a USA made car WAS 25% now it is a grand 15% ! Wow!!
US car tariffs: Which countries have the most to lose?

Why haven't we heard more about that from the MSM?

Again this is what this thread is about...i.e. the BIASED MSM doing everything they can to bash Trump in spite of the above good news! These idiots and people that believe them
are no different than those people who cheer for the visiting team and boo the home team!
View attachment 203753

You said this thread was about trade.

I’m less concerned about the mainstream media reporting that Trump is mismanaging trade and foreign policy than I am about idiots like you who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground confusing trade deficits with budget deficits.

Trump is gaslighting Americans on trade. Having a trade deficit isn’t a bad thing. It simply means you’re buying more goods from a country than you’re selling them. It’s only a problem if you don’t have buyers for your own goods and services which isn’t a problem in this instance.

The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. It didn’t happen because nations are screwing you over on trade. It didn’t happen because previous administrations made “bad deals”.

There are tariffs on US made cars in Europe because they don’t meet European emissions standards. The US is barred from selling some agricultural products in Europe, because the rest of the world views Monsanto a danger to agriculture in the modern world. We don’t want your GMO crops, or your pesticides and while I am not a violent person I would nuke their corporate headquarters in a heartbeat. And spread quick lime on the ashes.

If you want to do business with other countries, you can’t just come in, steam roller them and then tell us what you want us to do. It doesn’t work that way.

The rules which the World Trade Organization set up are American trading rules, and under them, the USA has prospered as no nation before it. But you have squandered your treasure on weapons, armies and wars.

No one forces the USA to spent 4% of its GDP on military. It’s the Americans who clamour for ever higher military budgets. The USA has become the world’s arms dealer and they’re now trying to force the rest of us to squandered our nations’ wealth on weapons. That would clear up those trade deficits real fast.

And I'm concerned about idiots like you that can't do anything in the way of substantiation of your wild ass comments.
A) Deficit is when the government spends more than it takes in! Duh.
B) Trade deficit is when we buy billions more from China then China buys from us ...hence a TRADE deficit! OK I know the difference.

MY point on the thread is idiots like YOU believe the crap put out by the biased MSM that for the most part is hyperbole, i.e. blown out of proportion.

Case in point! MSM claims Trump is anti-free trade! GEEZ how fu...king stupid.
Trump is for FAIR TRADE not where China was charging 25% for any cars imported from the USA and we had very little if no tariffs!
That's what I"m sharing with idiots like you that the Trade deficits were negotiated by politicians that wanted to be LIKED! Stupid.

 

[healthmyths]

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

NO YOU quit buying cheap shit! I absolutely guarantee there are items in your household made in China!

This pious dumb attitude who tells people do as I say and not as I do is what we had under Obama... remember this?

Besides what is so wrong in negotiating to get a better deal?


The Chinese Finance Ministry said Tuesday that it will cut import duties on passenger vehicles from 25% to 15%, starting July 1.
Think about that! A TARIFF on a USA made car WAS 25% now it is a grand 15% ! Wow!!
US car tariffs: Which countries have the most to lose?

Why haven't we heard more about that from the MSM?

Again this is what this thread is about...i.e. the BIASED MSM doing everything they can to bash Trump in spite of the above good news! These idiots and people that believe them
are no different than those people who cheer for the visiting team and boo the home team!
View attachment 203753

You said this thread was about trade.

I’m less concerned about the mainstream media reporting that Trump is mismanaging trade and foreign policy than I am about idiots like you who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground confusing trade deficits with budget deficits.

Trump is gaslighting Americans on trade. Having a trade deficit isn’t a bad thing. It simply means you’re buying more goods from a country than you’re selling them. It’s only a problem if you don’t have buyers for your own goods and services which isn’t a problem in this instance.

The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. It didn’t happen because nations are screwing you over on trade. It didn’t happen because previous administrations made “bad deals”.

There are tariffs on US made cars in Europe because they don’t meet European emissions standards. The US is barred from selling some agricultural products in Europe, because the rest of the world views Monsanto a danger to agriculture in the modern world. We don’t want your GMO crops, or your pesticides and while I am not a violent person I would nuke their corporate headquarters in a heartbeat. And spread quick lime on the ashes.

If you want to do business with other countries, you can’t just come in, steam roller them and then tell us what you want us to do. It doesn’t work that way.

The rules which the World Trade Organization set up are American trading rules, and under them, the USA has prospered as no nation before it. But you have squandered your treasure on weapons, armies and wars.

No one forces the USA to spent 4% of its GDP on military. It’s the Americans who clamour for ever higher military budgets. The USA has become the world’s arms dealer and they’re now trying to force the rest of us to squandered our nations’ wealth on weapons. That would clear up those trade deficits real fast.

OH how totally totally naive! "NO one forces to spend 4%?" Then tell me who pays for the troops that are in NATO?
The USA pays State Department's Contributions to International Organizations, is approximately 21.7 percent, with payments of $66.1 million and $84.1 million, respectively, made In FY2009 Gates criticizes NATO; How much does U.S. pay?

And you are then 100% correct! Let's pull out of NATO! SEATO and all the other alliances that the US belongs to and helps protect countries evidently like YOURS!

 

[healthmyths]

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

NO YOU quit buying cheap shit! I absolutely guarantee there are items in your household made in China!

This pious dumb attitude who tells people do as I say and not as I do is what we had under Obama... remember this?

Besides what is so wrong in negotiating to get a better deal?


The Chinese Finance Ministry said Tuesday that it will cut import duties on passenger vehicles from 25% to 15%, starting July 1.
Think about that! A TARIFF on a USA made car WAS 25% now it is a grand 15% ! Wow!!
US car tariffs: Which countries have the most to lose?

Why haven't we heard more about that from the MSM?

Again this is what this thread is about...i.e. the BIASED MSM doing everything they can to bash Trump in spite of the above good news! These idiots and people that believe them
are no different than those people who cheer for the visiting team and boo the home team!
View attachment 203753

You said this thread was about trade.

I’m less concerned about the mainstream media reporting that Trump is mismanaging trade and foreign policy than I am about idiots like you who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground confusing trade deficits with budget deficits.

Trump is gaslighting Americans on trade. Having a trade deficit isn’t a bad thing. It simply means you’re buying more goods from a country than you’re selling them. It’s only a problem if you don’t have buyers for your own goods and services which isn’t a problem in this instance.

The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. It didn’t happen because nations are screwing you over on trade. It didn’t happen because previous administrations made “bad deals”.

There are tariffs on US made cars in Europe because they don’t meet European emissions standards. The US is barred from selling some agricultural products in Europe, because the rest of the world views Monsanto a danger to agriculture in the modern world. We don’t want your GMO crops, or your pesticides and while I am not a violent person I would nuke their corporate headquarters in a heartbeat. And spread quick lime on the ashes.

If you want to do business with other countries, you can’t just come in, steam roller them and then tell us what you want us to do. It doesn’t work that way.

The rules which the World Trade Organization set up are American trading rules, and under them, the USA has prospered as no nation before it. But you have squandered your treasure on weapons, armies and wars.

No one forces the USA to spent 4% of its GDP on military. It’s the Americans who clamour for ever higher military budgets. The USA has become the world’s arms dealer and they’re now trying to force the rest of us to squandered our nations’ wealth on weapons. That would clear up those trade deficits real fast.

Right! "Squander".... so tell me when the radical muslim community decides you YOU as a woman can't drive, must walk behind the man, and for heavens sake never show your face...(which in your case sounds like not a bad idea!)? The world is not a unicorn world as people you think.
Surprise there are bad people out there that want to kill infidels like you... (maybe I'm assuming you aren't an adherent to a very militant religion ?).

 

[healthmyths]

Here is what should happen, let both countries pay what is owed to the other one.

China pays us our 750 billion and we pay them their $1.168 trillion.

Or, we could just pay the difference and call it all even, how does sound.

I AGREE! We definitely could come up with another $418 billion from some other country that wants our debt plus pays down our national debt at the same time!

I do have to wonder one thing though, you do realize there is no connection between our national debt and our trade deficit?

The former is caused by the government spending too much and the latter by you and me and the rest of the country buying things make in China.

Of course I do! But who is buying our National DEBT! Chinese money with the trade deficit!
AGAIN let's have the trade deficit balanced!
And remember the tariffs on STEEL is a national security issue.
At one time the USA was the No. 1 steel producer in the world. Now 4th. How are planes, ships, etc. made from STEEL/Aluminum. That's the primary reason Trump wants
the Canadian and Chinese trade imbalance especially in steel and aluminum to be rectified. Do you think in case of a war Chinese would still provide the USA with steel?
The US imports 2.5% of steel from China. How much steel does the U.S. import from China?
Now you say "2.5%" that's peanuts! True. But that's not the ONLY issue in the trade tariff imbalance.

So I have no problem with China paying to US citizens the $750 Billion owed and the USA then paying China what is due. Remember the $750 billion is like offshore money
and look what Apple is doing with their $350 billion!

You cannot balance a trade deficit and having a trade deficit with other countries isn’t a bad thing. That’s the part Trumptards don’t understand.

The USA is a consumer economy. You consume more than you make. You have more stuff than anyone else. Want to end the trade deficit? Quit buying cheap shit from China.

AND it is really a sad state of the MSM that they've convinced you that Trump is so bad you don't want to defend the USA from really lopsided trade deals negotiated out of weakness and fear by prior administrations.

The problem with people like you is you HATE Trump and people like me more than you care for Americans! That simple.
If this were anyone else but Trump you'd be applauding.
Strange but when Trump was a Democrat no one castigated him as they are now as a Republican!
Democrats took ie. Hillary included!

But Trump evidently unlike you loves America and Americans enough that he's seen what the stupid trade deals has cost in American jobs.
He has seen the very important steel/aluminum industry shrink with plant closings and I know people like you don't comprehend it but national security requires an independent steel/aluminum supply. Continuing on the track we were in the USA would have lost that and you would never know until another emergency occurs and we can't answer it!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

 

[healthmyths]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

See above and below...

he story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue U.S.-dollar denominated bonds to finance the
war against Japan's brutal invasion
Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the U.S. government further provided a $500 million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the U.S. government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn't appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People's Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

Today, the Chinese bonds held by U.S. investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 trillion, including interest and penalties for default.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

See above and below...

he story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue U.S.-dollar denominated bonds to finance the
war against Japan's brutal invasion
Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the U.S. government further provided a $500 million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the U.S. government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn't appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People's Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

Today, the Chinese bonds held by U.S. investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 trillion, including interest and penalties for default.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion

So no real evidence for the $750 billion figure?

 

[healthmyths]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

See above and below...

he story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue U.S.-dollar denominated bonds to finance the
war against Japan's brutal invasion
Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the U.S. government further provided a $500 million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the U.S. government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn't appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People's Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

Today, the Chinese bonds held by U.S. investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 trillion, including interest and penalties for default.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion

So no real evidence for the $750 billion figure?

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

To help you out since YOU evidently can't follow the links..

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.

WHO HOLDS THE BONDS:
The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

See above and below...

he story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue U.S.-dollar denominated bonds to finance the
war against Japan's brutal invasion
Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the U.S. government further provided a $500 million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the U.S. government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn't appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People's Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

Today, the Chinese bonds held by U.S. investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 trillion, including interest and penalties for default.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion

So no real evidence for the $750 billion figure?

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

To help you out since YOU evidently can't follow the links..

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.

WHO HOLDS THE BONDS:
The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

Wow, two "conspiracy" type sources. Very useful.

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960.

Interesting. But the claim we're looking at is bonds denominated in dollars sold to Americans.

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Show your work. Keep it simple. Because that's what you're good at.

 

[healthmyths]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

See above and below...

he story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue U.S.-dollar denominated bonds to finance the
war against Japan's brutal invasion
Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the U.S. government further provided a $500 million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the U.S. government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn't appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People's Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

Today, the Chinese bonds held by U.S. investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 trillion, including interest and penalties for default.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion

So no real evidence for the $750 billion figure?

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

To help you out since YOU evidently can't follow the links..

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.

WHO HOLDS THE BONDS:
The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

Wow, two "conspiracy" type sources. Very useful.

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960.

Interesting. But the claim we're looking at is bonds denominated in dollars sold to Americans.

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Show your work. Keep it simple. Because that's what you're good at.

Well just like the MSM... you left out the important aspect which is why the MSM is called "fake news..." about the ...
£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

You didn't seem to account for the 5% interest rate from 1913 to 2018 which adds up to $1,009,834,339,615... that $1.009 TRILLION.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!

If you get a chance, post some evidence for this claim.

See above and below...

he story begins nearly 100 years ago, in 1913, when the government of China began issuing bonds to foreign investors and governments for infrastructure work to modernize the country. As the country fell into civil war in 1927, paying these debts became increasingly difficult and the government fell into default. Even so, in April 1938, the Nationalist government of China began to issue U.S.-dollar denominated bonds to finance the
war against Japan's brutal invasion
Locked in a pitched battle for survival, the government issued these bonds into 1940. As part of its wartime financial aid, the U.S. government further provided a $500 million credit to China in March 1942, shipping gold there and helping to stabilize the currency. In return, it appears that the U.S. government redeemed some of these dollar-denominated bonds. But China doesn't appear to have repaid this debt either, according to State Department records, and the declaration of the People's Republic of China in 1949 ended decades of political, military and financial cooperation.

While successor governments are usually bound by the debts of predecessor governments, the new Communist government refused to pay any of these claims. The issue lay dormant for decades, just as the bilateral relationship did. Then, in 1979, as part of normalizing relations, Washington released government financial claims regarding the expropriation of American property and appears to have dropped the matter of the war debt entirely. However, it is one thing for government decision-makers to let go of government debt, however questionable that is.

Today, the Chinese bonds held by U.S. investors may be worth as much as $750 billion, according to Jonna Bianco, president of the American Bondholders Foundation, who estimates the value of bonds held by investors worldwide may be $10 trillion, including interest and penalties for default.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion

So no real evidence for the $750 billion figure?

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

To help you out since YOU evidently can't follow the links..

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960. This massive bond funded the modernization of China's infrastructure and was widely acquired at the time by governments, banks, and investors across the globe. However, in 1938 China defaulted on its "binding engagement upon the Government of the Republic of China and its Successors," leaving millions of global creditors unpaid. In accordance with the terms of the bond, successor government doctrine, and accounting standards, the United States can and should hold China accountable to its obligations.

WHO HOLDS THE BONDS:
The Chinese bonds in question are held throughout the world by treasuries, banks, companies, and over 20,000 private U.S. investors, many of which are active in seeking remuneration. Critically, the U.S. Treasury and Departments of Justice and State are understood to hold substantial portions of this Chinese sovereign debt. These holdings have not been fully cataloged nor has the U.S. Government moved to hold China accountable for its debt obligations.

American Bond Holders Foundation

Now I'm going to HELP you even further as simple math must be hard for you also..

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

So far given two distinct sources now for a definitive source:

Wow, two "conspiracy" type sources. Very useful.

From 1900 to 1940, the Chinese Government issued millions of dollars in sovereign debt, most notably, a large tranche of £25,000,000 issued at 5% in 1913 set to mature in 1960.

Interesting. But the claim we're looking at is bonds denominated in dollars sold to Americans.

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Show your work. Keep it simple. Because that's what you're good at.

Well just like the MSM... you left out the important aspect which is why the MSM is called "fake news..." about the ...
£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928 or in US dollars $3,707,423,989
Now remember $3,707,423,989 (value of £25,000,000 in 1913) at 5% interest for 115 years (1913 -2018) worth $1,009,834,339,615.

You didn't seem to account for the 5% interest rate from 1913 to 2018 which adds up to $1,009,834,339,615... that $1.009 TRILLION.

£25,000,000 was worth in 1913 equal to in 2018 £2,801,713,928

Prove this claim.

 

[McRocket]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

Now Trumpbots are calling people who exercise their 'Freedom of the Press' and/or 'Free Speech'...traitorous?!?



So...is the U.S. Chamber of Commerce full of 'traitors' as well for STRONGLY disagreeing with Trump's 'tariffs'?

Tariffs are the Wrong Approach | U.S. Chamber of Commerce

Yes or no?

 

[bendog]

Those damn farmers are .... disloyal. LOL

 

[healthmyths]

WAR! Definition: War is a state of armed conflict between states, societies and informal groups, such as insurgents and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Trade War: a situation in which countries try to damage each other's trade, typically by the imposition of tariffs or quota restrictions.

In the case of WAR... generally two sides or more involved. Conflict between states. Them against us.

In the case of WAR: What do you call someone on YOUR side (either side...doesn't make a difference...) who says
1) YOUR side is wrong.
2) The other side is right.
3) and does things to help the other side?

Traitor: a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

So what do you call the MSM that overwhelmingly favors the other side.
That writes articles defending the OTHER side and attacking OUR side?

During WWII there were a few cases of people in the USA that was for the enemies of the USA... BUT not the MSM.
Not the newspapers.
Yet today these same MSM are putting out EVERY article in opposition to President Trump who is trying to balance in the case of China nearly in 2017, the U.S. posted a $375.6 billion deficit in goods with China. Most glaring is the huge deficit in computers and electronics, but the U.S. is a net importer from China in most market segments except for agriculture. The U.S. is excluding Chinese-made cellphones and televisions from its tariffs.
Why the U.S.-China trade deficit is so huge: Here’s all the stuff America imports

NOW in the case of a physical conflict the continual support of the enemy and the bashing of the USA would be considered treason because it would lead to the enemy killing more of us and maybe defeating the USA.
So why would we Americans support people who wanted the enemy to succeed and eventually hurt us, ME?

What is the difference between the Trade War and an armed conflict? True no bombs, no physical damage...BUT
economically both sides will take a hit... in a trade war.

During WWII there was a thing called "rationing"!
In the spring of 1942, the Food Rationing Program was set into motion. Rationing would deeply affect the American way of life for most. The federal government needed to control supply and demand. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and not to allow only the wealthy to purchase commodities.
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1674.html

So folks... what is wrong with Americans paying more due to the tariffs imposed on Chinese imports? Or on shortages due to Chinese imports not coming in?
"Rationing" for the better cause... i.e. the balance of trade which right now China makes up this $376 billion deficit by supposedly buying US TREASURIES!

YET... China OWES the USA and citizens $750 BILLION!
Under international law as it has been understood for centuries, successor governments, no matter the circumstances of the establishment of a new government, whether by revolution or civil war, must pay the sovereign debt incurred by its predecessor. But currently, the People’s Republic of China owes a debt of over $750 billion to American citizens who are holding these full faith and credit sovereign bonds (many of them denominated in gold) sold to them by the Republic of China. Worldwide, the debt China owes to all bondholders is estimated to be several trillion dollars. The debt owed to the American people should be paid. The U.S. government could dollar for dollar offset bond interest we owe China with interest, principal and penalties China owes us. It's Time for China to Pay Its Debts to the United States


So folks WHY does the MSM support China... our enemy who owes us $750 billion in the first place, and who HAS now reduced their buying of US treasuries?

Pure stupidity on their part! AGAIN traitors are people that cheer for the other side while tearing down the home team and booing the home team! What is the MSM doing?
Look at these headlines!
View attachment 203611

Now Trumpbots are calling people who exercise their 'Freedom of the Press' and/or 'Free Speech'...traitorous?!?



So...is the U.S. Chamber of Commerce full of 'traitors' as well for STRONGLY disagreeing with Trump's 'tariffs'?

Tariffs are the Wrong Approach | U.S. Chamber of Commerce

Yes or no?

Of course they are! Idiots all that evidently NEVER negotiated shit!
You certainly can't tell the opponent... You guys are right our guys are wrong!"
Why would they do that? Because they like most of you BELIEVE the MSM! This is the point of my thread!
The MSM hates Trump so much they are pumping information that is harmful to the USA and negotiations to improve trade balance.
For example... were you aware that China just because of the threat of tariffs lowered their tariffs by 10% on US cars being imported into China? Why? it's called negotiating!

So yes the Chamber is being totally supportive of the other side. Come on this is America and we should want to do what is best for America and many of these
deals were never in the best interest of America!