Mother of 4 deported

[Slade3200]

You're right on that point, except it wasn't policy that caused the decline it was fear caused by the rhetoric. It's all speculation, same with the stock market. We can follow through with the rhetoric and let fear and intimidation drive the policy. It is a very effective method. You have every right to support that. I just think we can do it in a smarter and better way

It is fear the rhetoric will turn into policies that will make being an illegal in the US so unpleasant that most will not try to enter illegally. If we are to control illegal immigration there is no other way to proceed, let alone a smarter or better way.

Unfortunately for you the country is way to divided on this issue... We have elections every 4 years and you are no where near a consensus on this issue. You start playing tough guy and more stories like the one in the OP start popping up, then next election you have a leader that is ready to tear apart the tough guy policies. This is why you are short sighted and this is why the undocumented in this country will always wait out the next election. So the only way to really do something significant is to find a way to unify on a way to tackle this issue. That requires compromise from both sides. You can keep doubling down on the tough guy method, but its a road to nowhere.

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

 

[Slade3200]

Who are you kidding? if they want to come they will come. It has been illegal for decades and they have still come. Tech is better and enforcement capabilities are better so we can focus on cracking down on the crossers and visa overstays. But the fact that it is so hard to come here the legal way is also a problem that needs to be dealt with. You're idea is a dud and will not work in the long term... Time for you to open your mind a little bit and think of the greater good

Of course they'll come. If there was no enforced penalty for robbing a bank, wouldn't you give it a try if you didn't have enough money? If there was no enforced penalty for speeding, how fast would you drive on the highway?

I never said there shouldn't be an enforcement penalty for people who illegally cross the border. Border enforcement is a different issue than undocumented residents who have been living here for years/decades. Try and keep up man, i'm getting tire of this constant clarification for those of you who can't understand simple points.

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Have you learned nothing from history... Maybe if we throw everybody in jail for selling and doing drugs then people will just magically stop doing those too... yeah right

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Is she gone yet ?

 

[Slade3200]

Unfortunately for you the country is way to divided on this issue... We have elections every 4 years and you are no where near a consensus on this issue. You start playing tough guy and more stories like the one in the OP start popping up, then next election you have a leader that is ready to tear apart the tough guy policies. This is why you are short sighted and this is why the undocumented in this country will always wait out the next election.

No, this is why Donald Trump is our President today.

I thought he was president because people hated Obamacare

It's a combination of both, Slade. I'll also lack of job growth and increase of wages.

Two biggest factors that won him the election were that he was a non politician businessman who people thought would stand up to politics as usual and the economy as you mentioned... job growth, trade deals, lower taxes, less regulation and higher wages.

His core supporters obviously loved him for the wall and anti Obama rhetoric but I don't think those were the main drivers for those independents and fringe voters that ultimately won him the election. Remember he only won the electoral college by roughly 100K votes. It was a slim victory over a really bad candidate on the other side coming off an 8 year Dem reign.

 

[leftwinger]

So now illegal immigration is responsible for heroin in Ohio? Damn man, you like to stretch it

So where do you suppose it comes from--Canada?

Cut it off from Mexico and the people who want to use it will find it from somewhere else, or they will do something different. Prescription pills are probably a bigger problem in most areas of our country than heroine.

Then why don't we have record deaths of people using prescriptions? We certainly have them with opiate drugs today.

You're kidding right? Do a little more research... Most prescription drugs are opiates by the way.

That may be, but people are not killing themselves over addition to prescription drugs. They are by buying illegal recreational narcotics.

You got that right. Mexican black tar Heroin has been flooding up into America since late 90s' for sure.

 

[Slade3200]

Of course they'll come. If there was no enforced penalty for robbing a bank, wouldn't you give it a try if you didn't have enough money? If there was no enforced penalty for speeding, how fast would you drive on the highway?

I never said there shouldn't be an enforcement penalty for people who illegally cross the border. Border enforcement is a different issue than undocumented residents who have been living here for years/decades. Try and keep up man, i'm getting tire of this constant clarification for those of you who can't understand simple points.

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

 

[leftwinger]

Is she gone yet ?

The org link said she goes out in July. Why so long?

 

[toomuchtime_]

It is fear the rhetoric will turn into policies that will make being an illegal in the US so unpleasant that most will not try to enter illegally. If we are to control illegal immigration there is no other way to proceed, let alone a smarter or better way.

Unfortunately for you the country is way to divided on this issue... We have elections every 4 years and you are no where near a consensus on this issue. You start playing tough guy and more stories like the one in the OP start popping up, then next election you have a leader that is ready to tear apart the tough guy policies. This is why you are short sighted and this is why the undocumented in this country will always wait out the next election. So the only way to really do something significant is to find a way to unify on a way to tackle this issue. That requires compromise from both sides. You can keep doubling down on the tough guy method, but its a road to nowhere.

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

You continue to talk nonsense. The problem is illegal immigration and President Trump's policies will reduce it. That's the whole story.

 

[bripat9643]

We don't need a new policy. We already have one in place, and until people like this came along, it was working just fine. Actually, it still works fine, but some Americans think that foreigners should make the decision if our policies are good enough for them.

You are making the mistake of confusing policy with law.
The policy of not deporting a mother of American children was working fine until Donald Trump became president.

Any policy in conflict with the law is an illegal policy.

Laws change dude, its how our country works

Until they do, policies that conflict with the ones on the books are illegal. Current law calls for all illegals to be deported.

The law also says that Pot is illegal... Are you also calling for the Feds to raid all the Medical Marijuana shops and all the recreational growers and shops in the many states that have legalized it?

The Constitution doesn't give the federal government the authority to regulate pot. It does give the federal government the authority to regulate immigration.

 

[leftwinger]

I never said there shouldn't be an enforcement penalty for people who illegally cross the border. Border enforcement is a different issue than undocumented residents who have been living here for years/decades. Try and keep up man, i'm getting tire of this constant clarification for those of you who can't understand simple points.

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

How about they can never vote? Never stop working? No anchor babies for them. Hit age 62, whole clan goes back. OK they can take their savings.......snicker.

How many you worry about if they can't vote?

 

[bripat9643]

It is fear the rhetoric will turn into policies that will make being an illegal in the US so unpleasant that most will not try to enter illegally. If we are to control illegal immigration there is no other way to proceed, let alone a smarter or better way.

Unfortunately for you the country is way to divided on this issue... We have elections every 4 years and you are no where near a consensus on this issue. You start playing tough guy and more stories like the one in the OP start popping up, then next election you have a leader that is ready to tear apart the tough guy policies. This is why you are short sighted and this is why the undocumented in this country will always wait out the next election. So the only way to really do something significant is to find a way to unify on a way to tackle this issue. That requires compromise from both sides. You can keep doubling down on the tough guy method, but its a road to nowhere.

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

Wrong. Open-borders douche bag politicians are the cause of the problem. There is simply no question about that.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course they'll come. If there was no enforced penalty for robbing a bank, wouldn't you give it a try if you didn't have enough money? If there was no enforced penalty for speeding, how fast would you drive on the highway?

I never said there shouldn't be an enforcement penalty for people who illegally cross the border. Border enforcement is a different issue than undocumented residents who have been living here for years/decades. Try and keep up man, i'm getting tire of this constant clarification for those of you who can't understand simple points.

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Have you learned nothing from history... Maybe if we throw everybody in jail for selling and doing drugs then people will just magically stop doing those too... yeah right

You're comparing drugs with illegal aliens? Really?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I never said there shouldn't be an enforcement penalty for people who illegally cross the border. Border enforcement is a different issue than undocumented residents who have been living here for years/decades. Try and keep up man, i'm getting tire of this constant clarification for those of you who can't understand simple points.

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

There is no argument. It's a fact that allowing them to stay is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policies are based. For that reason it would be unAmerican to allow them to stay.

 

[Slade3200]

Unfortunately for you the country is way to divided on this issue... We have elections every 4 years and you are no where near a consensus on this issue. You start playing tough guy and more stories like the one in the OP start popping up, then next election you have a leader that is ready to tear apart the tough guy policies. This is why you are short sighted and this is why the undocumented in this country will always wait out the next election. So the only way to really do something significant is to find a way to unify on a way to tackle this issue. That requires compromise from both sides. You can keep doubling down on the tough guy method, but its a road to nowhere.

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

You continue to talk nonsense. The problem is illegal immigration and President Trump's policies will reduce it. That's the whole story.

Thats your half of the story but you are missing the big picture.

 

[Slade3200]

You are making the mistake of confusing policy with law.
The policy of not deporting a mother of American children was working fine until Donald Trump became president.

Any policy in conflict with the law is an illegal policy.

Laws change dude, its how our country works

Until they do, policies that conflict with the ones on the books are illegal. Current law calls for all illegals to be deported.

The law also says that Pot is illegal... Are you also calling for the Feds to raid all the Medical Marijuana shops and all the recreational growers and shops in the many states that have legalized it?

The Constitution doesn't give the federal government the authority to regulate pot. It does give the federal government the authority to regulate immigration.

So are you saying the federal law that says pot is illegal is unconstitutional?

 

[Slade3200]

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

How about they can never vote? Never stop working? No anchor babies for them. Hit age 62, whole clan goes back. OK they can take their savings.......snicker.

How many you worry about if they can't vote?

I don't care about the vote or not. If it were up to me I wouldn't have a problem with it but I also don't mind making that compromise if it threatens you that much... That is the big difference between legal status and citizen. Voting rights

 

[TemplarKormac]

No i'm talking in context to the entire situation as played out over 20 years. She did what she was told for 18 years and checked in with ICE. What law was she breaking?

She was here illegally, doofus. You know, there's a law against that, right? Illegal entry has no statute of limitation. Each minute they stay here is a renewed violation of our immigration laws.

 

[Slade3200]

Unfortunately for you the country is way to divided on this issue... We have elections every 4 years and you are no where near a consensus on this issue. You start playing tough guy and more stories like the one in the OP start popping up, then next election you have a leader that is ready to tear apart the tough guy policies. This is why you are short sighted and this is why the undocumented in this country will always wait out the next election. So the only way to really do something significant is to find a way to unify on a way to tackle this issue. That requires compromise from both sides. You can keep doubling down on the tough guy method, but its a road to nowhere.

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

Wrong. Open-borders douche bag politicians are the cause of the problem. There is simply no question about that.

Yes yes yes, it is always 100% the other guys fault. yawn, that argument got old in grade school.

 

[Slade3200]

What "penalty" are you referring to? If they are allowed to stay, they are being rewarded.

How about this for a penalty: 5 years in prison?

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

There is no argument. It's a fact that allowing them to stay is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policies are based. For that reason it would be unAmerican to allow them to stay.

Don't be calling Reagan unAmerican now, your Rhino friends might get offended

 

[TemplarKormac]

Well maybe you have a child who falls in love and marries a woman like this, now you have a family here that is getting ripped apart.

Her fault, not ours.