CDZ More than just two viable parties?

[Blues Man]

With all the division in America these days, and the polarization between the two parties, what would you think of having more viable parties to choose from?

Several other Western countries have multi-party systems, and more than just two parties play a role. It's different, but it works.

What do you think?

What would a party have to look like, for you to support it over Dems or Reps?

the problem is the partys and having more will just compound the problem,, they are what divides us,,

what needs done is to remove any sign of partys at the federal level including on any ballot or congressional record,,,

I disagree

A third party with enough presence to prevent any one party from having a simple or super majority will be a stabilizing influence because for anything to make it though Congress a compromise must be made and no party can ram anything down our throats anymore

 

[Donald H]

Guess that's more a reflection of the general quality of the debate on this board, than anything else. Make a neutral, constructive statement, yet someone will come along and pee in your food for no reason.

So far, I can't say this board shows a decent quality ... yet it's surprisingly entertaining at times.

I have no dog in your fight but I'm happy to keep it on the straight and narrow if you are interested. There will always be lots of spam but it has to be ignored.

 

[Donald H]

With all the division in America these days, and the polarization between the two parties, what would you think of having more viable parties to choose from?

Several other Western countries have multi-party systems, and more than just two parties play a role. It's different, but it works.

What do you think?

What would a party have to look like, for you to support it over Dems or Reps?

the problem is the partys and having more will just compound the problem,, they are what divides us,,

what needs done is to remove any sign of partys at the federal level including on any ballot or congressional record,,,

I disagree

A third party with enough presence to prevent any one party from having a simple or super majority will be a stabilizing influence because for anything to make it though Congress a compromise must be made and no party can ram anything down our throats anymore

What would your new party stand for? Notice how the image in post #16 illustrates the real problem in America? That cuts right through the bullshit and to the heart of the problems.

 

[progressive hunter]

With all the division in America these days, and the polarization between the two parties, what would you think of having more viable parties to choose from?

Several other Western countries have multi-party systems, and more than just two parties play a role. It's different, but it works.

What do you think?

What would a party have to look like, for you to support it over Dems or Reps?

the problem is the partys and having more will just compound the problem,, they are what divides us,,

what needs done is to remove any sign of partys at the federal level including on any ballot or congressional record,,,

I disagree

A third party with enough presence to prevent any one party from having a simple or super majority will be a stabilizing influence because for anything to make it though Congress a compromise must be made and no party can ram anything down our throats anymore

thats the short term effect,, but what about the long term?? the fed gov is supposed to be for the whole country not political parties,,,

 

[Donald H]

thats the short term effect,, but what about the long term?? the fed gov is supposed to be for the whole country not political parties,,,

That's no answer to the problem. Many other countries are living in a situation in which there are more than two parties but none demonstrate the third (or multiple parties) are the answer.

Americans are extremists toward being rightists and have excluded 'socially' responsible government as a solution. You condemn the world's most successful countries as being socialist or communist. That makes any move toward fixing the problem impossible.

It would probably be easier to transport Norway's most leftist party to America and allow them to dictate to your country for a few years. That would serve to demonstrate to America that there's a happy medium to be found.

Guaranteed that the all the people would come out of it much more prosperous.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats the short term effect,, but what about the long term?? the fed gov is supposed to be for the whole country not political parties,,,

That's no answer to the problem. Many other countries are living in a situation in which there are more than two parties but none demonstrate the third (or multiple parties) are the answer.

Americans are extremists toward being rightists and have excluded 'socially' responsible government as a solution. You condemn the world's most successful countries as being socialist or communist. That makes any move toward fixing the problem impossible.

It would probably be easier to transport Norway's most leftist party to America and allow them to dictate to your country for a few years. That would serve to demonstrate to America that there's a happy medium to be found.

Guaranteed that the all the people would come out of it much more prosperous.

we arent any other country,, and if the american experiment is allowed to continue we need to get rid of the partys at the fed level,,,

 

[Donald H]

thats the short term effect,, but what about the long term?? the fed gov is supposed to be for the whole country not political parties,,,

That's no answer to the problem. Many other countries are living in a situation in which there are more than two parties but none demonstrate the third (or multiple parties) are the answer.

Americans are extremists toward being rightists and have excluded 'socially' responsible government as a solution. You condemn the world's most successful countries as being socialist or communist. That makes any move toward fixing the problem impossible.

It would probably be easier to transport Norway's most leftist party to America and allow them to dictate to your country for a few years. That would serve to demonstrate to America that there's a happy medium to be found.

Guaranteed that the all the people would come out of it much more prosperous.

we arent any other country,, and if the american experiment is allowed to continue we need to get rid of the partys at the fed level,,,

That's an interesting opening proposal!
Interesting because there are insurmountable differences between the states that hold your country back.
But can you imagine that it would actually be possible?

To me it brings back the issue with Texas's grievance being swept under the carpet by the Scotus.

Your proposal could at least work to break the stalemate but you'll have to nurture it in a non-biased way if it has any chance of getting anywhere.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats the short term effect,, but what about the long term?? the fed gov is supposed to be for the whole country not political parties,,,

That's no answer to the problem. Many other countries are living in a situation in which there are more than two parties but none demonstrate the third (or multiple parties) are the answer.

Americans are extremists toward being rightists and have excluded 'socially' responsible government as a solution. You condemn the world's most successful countries as being socialist or communist. That makes any move toward fixing the problem impossible.

It would probably be easier to transport Norway's most leftist party to America and allow them to dictate to your country for a few years. That would serve to demonstrate to America that there's a happy medium to be found.

Guaranteed that the all the people would come out of it much more prosperous.

we arent any other country,, and if the american experiment is allowed to continue we need to get rid of the partys at the fed level,,,

That's an interesting opening proposal!
Interesting because there are insurmountable differences between the states that hold your country back.
But can you imagine that it would actually be possible?

To me it brings back the issue with Texas's grievance being swept under the carpet by the Scotus.

Your proposal could at least work to break the stalemate but you'll have to nurture it in a non-biased way if it has any chance of getting anywhere.

I can only do so much,,,

 

[Donald H]

I can only do so much,,,

I suggest that it's weak as an opening gambit, but it's the best we've heard so far and so I'll run with it with you if you have good intentions.

Do you think another political party is a solution to America's problems?

 

[progressive hunter]

I can only do so much,,,

I suggest that it's weak as an opening gambit, but it's the best we've heard so far and so I'll run with it with you if you have good intentions.

Do you think another political party is a solution to America's problems?

the constitution party seems to be one with integrity and no bias other than rule of law,,,

 

[Donald H]

I can only do so much,,,

I suggest that it's weak as an opening gambit, but it's the best we've heard so far and so I'll run with it with you if you have good intentions.

Do you think another political party is a solution to America's problems?

the constitution party seems to be one with integrity and no bias other than rule of law,,,

I'm not aware of what they represent but I assume the name says it. Does it mean that strict adherence to the US Constitution is a way forward?

My immediate impression is that the Constitution is being used by all political preferences, including extremism, in interpreting it to their advantage. But it would be interesting to hear some examples of it being an effective guide for a political party.

 

[progressive hunter]

I can only do so much,,,

I suggest that it's weak as an opening gambit, but it's the best we've heard so far and so I'll run with it with you if you have good intentions.

Do you think another political party is a solution to America's problems?

the constitution party seems to be one with integrity and no bias other than rule of law,,,

I'm not aware of what they represent but I assume the name says it. Does it mean that strict adherence to the US Constitution is a way forward?

My immediate impression is that the Constitution is being used by all political preferences, including extremism, in interpreting it to their advantage. But it would be interesting to hear some examples of it being an effective guide for a political party.

feel free to look them up and check them out,,

 

[Donald H]

feel free to look them up and check them out,,

It looks like they're about taxes and religion.
I don't see any benefits in religion but I'm an atheist and so I might be missing the point?

Basically, my position on taxation is that the tax burden must be placed much more heavily on the wealthy in America, and that's due to my understanding of huge income inequality that surpasses all democracies in proportion. And also that tax money is spent wisely and not be wasted. Unfortunately the concept of what is 'wise' isn't an opinion that's accepted by all.

If you have anything to say about that party then I'm here quite often to hear it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Some alternative is absolutely essential for America to survive as the republic it mostly has been. More parties could be a component. As it stands, it is literally the best government money can buy.

 

[progressive hunter]

feel free to look them up and check them out,,

It looks like they're about taxes and religion.
I don't see any benefits in religion but I'm an atheist and so I might be missing the point?

Basically, my position on taxation is that the tax burden must be placed much more heavily on the wealthy in America, and that's due to my understanding of huge income inequality that surpasses all democracies in proportion. And also that tax money is spent wisely and not be wasted. Unfortunately the concept of what is 'wise' isn't an opinion that's accepted by all.

If you have anything to say about that party then I'm here quite often to hear it.

theres no such thing as income inequality,, only people that didnt make it,,

and to punish people for success is pure evil,,,

as for tax money being spent wisely,, well that means you dont spend money you dont have and dont take from others at the point of a gun and give it to those that refuse to provide for themselves cause that is also pure evil,,,

 

[Donald H]

Some alternative is absolutely essential for America to survive as the republic it mostly has been. More parties could be a component. As it stands, it is literally the best government money can buy.

Another political party is a silly idea. There are no people with alternative ideas or priorities from which to choose to support another party

Trust me, in Canada we have 3 or more political parties but only two sides to politics.

And now I notice that progressive hunter clearly represents one side in America. It's not so easy to find somebody who represents the other side. I think it may not even exist in the US?

 

[progressive hunter]

Some alternative is absolutely essential for America to survive as the republic it mostly has been. More parties could be a component. As it stands, it is literally the best government money can buy.

Another political party is a silly idea. There are no people with alternative ideas or priorities from which to choose to support another party

Trust me, in Canada we have 3 or more political parties but only two sides to politics.

And now I notice that progressive hunter clearly represents one side in America. It's not so easy to find somebody who represents the other side. I think it may not even exist in the US?

yeah and both sides of that canadian politics are authoritarian,,,

at least I lean on the side of freedom and self reliance and not dependence,,, you not so much,,

 

[there4eyeM]

If more parties would make things worse, perhaps simply abolishing parties would be better. In any case, it can't continue as it is with two doddering, corrupt halves bludgeoning each other and all of us.

 

[Donald H]

If more parties would make things worse, perhaps simply abolishing parties would be better. In any case, it can't continue as it is with two doddering, corrupt halves bludgeoning each other and all of us.

Your country is further from a solution than it's ever been.
Secession of the south is not an option. More threats of violence just makes the hating worse.
The black population have been energized and so stomping down on them with gun violence wouldn't work either. They''re ready to shoot back.
Real violence with real blood on the ground could bring most Americans to their senses.

And Biden is too weak and has too big of an opposition to be able to mobilize the police or the military. Both of their loyalties are lost to the other side.

But it's probably time to start trying to come up with an answer before it's too late and the blood covers the streets in the southern states at least.

The Union of states is fatally flawed and so is the US Constitution. It could only survive as a good idea for so long and even breaking through the income inequality and the racism is only going to cause worse feelings.

 

[Kilroy2]

The issue will still be at some point that parties have to join together to defeat the other party. Whether it is electoral college or who gets the most individual votes. Polls show that at least 40 percent of votes on the national level for one candidate that they do not really support that much is just a vote against the other candidate.

Bernie Sanders has followers. IF they vote for the eventually democrat nominee during the main election it is more because they are voting against the republican candidate. The same can be said on the other Rep side.

That's basically how it works in Germany ... we have a moderate left party, a far-left party and a green party, and on the other side a moderate right, a far-right party and a moderately libertarian one.

Since none of these parties hardly ever wins 50% of the seats alone, they have to form "coalitions". But it's not always parties from either side cooperating. The far-right and far-left have been considered too far out there by the moderates most of the time, so for the past 8 years, we had a coalition of moderate right and moderate left party.

Well governments works when there is cooperation from opposing sides as long as it stays civil and that is a big if. The effect of social media certainly makes cooperation hard for politicians.

I'd assume that if the system requires parties to cooperate after the election, they'll have a strong incentive not to cross a certain line during the campaign.

But yeah, social media is a bit like the atom bomb. Not sure if mankind is wise enough to handle it.

yes it like have a conversation with yourself and agreeing to what you just said.