More History Before 1967

[P F Tinmore]

This is what I'm talking about, Palestinian supporters re-writing history.

Israel DID win land in 1948. After being attacked by the surrounding Arab armies, they expanded their territory.

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[2] Armistice Agreements

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, but an armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution.

Nobody won or lost the 1948 war.

Then let me ask you this.

How does one determine who wins or who loses a war ??
Should we not be looking at the goals of each belligerent and weather or weather not they were met during the war?

OK, Israel's goal was all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Israel failed to meet that goal.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. No Palestinian land was lost to any of the waring parties.

 

[toastman]

Interesting, but an armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution.

Nobody won or lost the 1948 war.

Then let me ask you this.

How does one determine who wins or who loses a war ??
Should we not be looking at the goals of each belligerent and weather or weather not they were met during the war?

OK, Israel's goal was all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Israel failed to meet that goal.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. No Palestinian land was lost to any of the waring parties.

Hahaha what ??
Israel's goal was survival. No one thought they would make it.
The goal of the Arabs was to "drive the Jews to the sea"

Israel survived AND gained territory in the process while fighting on THREE different fronts.

The Arabs did not succeed in driving the Jews to the sea AND lost territory.

Result: Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[2] Armistice Agreements

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hyrcanus]

Of course Israel won the 1948 war.

They acquired more land and got rid of 80% of their Arab population.

 

[toastman]

Of course Israel won the 1948 war.

They acquired more land and got rid of 80% of their Arab population.

Nope, most of them left on their own.
LOL Palestinians are such sympathy seekers, they never admit they are responsible for anything.
OF COURSE the Palestinians are going to claim that IT was the Jews who evicted them all ! They would never have the dignity to admit that most of them left on their own or were asked/ordered to by their Arab neighbors

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then let me ask you this.

How does one determine who wins or who loses a war ??
Should we not be looking at the goals of each belligerent and weather or weather not they were met during the war?

OK, Israel's goal was all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Israel failed to meet that goal.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. No Palestinian land was lost to any of the waring parties.

Hahaha what ??
Israel's goal was survival. No one thought they would make it.
The goal of the Arabs was to "drive the Jews to the sea"

Israel survived AND gained territory in the process while fighting on THREE different fronts.

The Arabs did not succeed in driving the Jews to the sea AND lost territory.

Result: Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[2] Armistice Agreements

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israeli propaganda. Not true.

Israel survived as an occupying power. No land was transferred to Israel.

 

[toastman]

Haha. So Wikpedia is Israeli propaganda ? YOu use it all thew time

But I guess when you have nothing left to argue and your back is to the wall, just blurt out the usual :"Israeli Propaganda!"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Haha. So Wikipedia is Israeli propaganda ? YOu use it all thew time

But I guess when you have nothing left to argue and your back is to the wall, just blurt out the usual :"Israeli Propaganda!"

Where in Wikipedia does it say that Israel owns that land. They song and dance the issue by using terms like "controlled."

If you look at the actual documents, no land was transferred to any of the occupying powers.

 

[toastman]

Haha. So Wikipedia is Israeli propaganda ? YOu use it all thew time

But I guess when you have nothing left to argue and your back is to the wall, just blurt out the usual :"Israeli Propaganda!"

Where in Wikipedia does it say that Israel owns that land. They song and dance the issue by using terms like "controlled."

If you look at the actual documents, no land was transferred to any of the occupying powers.

You're just deflecting again. This has nothing to do with land ownership. It has to do with a war, and Israel capturing territory in the process, which now lies in the Land of Israel

The Arabs were completely shocked as was the rest of the world, and lost more soldiers in the process and 50% of the land proposed to them in the partition plan and did nothing to dismantle the newly created state which was their stated goal
Ya , they didn't lose the war

 

[P F Tinmore]

Haha. So Wikipedia is Israeli propaganda ? YOu use it all thew time

But I guess when you have nothing left to argue and your back is to the wall, just blurt out the usual :"Israeli Propaganda!"

Where in Wikipedia does it say that Israel owns that land. They song and dance the issue by using terms like "controlled."

If you look at the actual documents, no land was transferred to any of the occupying powers.

You're just deflecting again. This has nothing to do with land ownership. It has to do with a war, and Israel capturing territory in the process, which now lies in the Land of Israel

The Arabs were completely shocked as was the rest of the world, and lost more soldiers in the process and 50% of the land proposed to them in the partition plan and did nothing to dismantle the newly created state which was their stated goal
Ya , they didn't lose the war

Where does it say that Israel legally acquired any land (Documentation) and where are the borders defining that land?

Why would they mention the partition plan? That plan never happened?

 

[Hyrcanus]

Where does it say that Israel legally acquired any land (Documentation) and where are the borders defining that land?

The United Nations and the vast majority of the international community recognizes the 1949 armistice lines as Israel's legitimate and rightful borders.

 

[50_RiaL]

At Jerusalem, Hadrian founded a city in place of the one which had been razed to the ground, naming it
Aelia Capitolina, and on the site of the temple of the [Jewish] god, he raised a new temple to Jupiter.
This brought on a war of no slight importance nor of brief duration, for the JEWS* deemed it intolerable
that foreign races should be settled in THEIR* city and foreign religious rites planted there."

-- From Roman History 69.12.1 by Roman senator and historian, Lucius Cassius Dio (164 - c.235).

Nowhere in his multivolumne, magnum opus does Dio Cassius mention the "Palestinians." What gives?

* Emphasis mine.

 

[Hyrcanus]

...Nowhere in his multivolumne, magnum opus does Dio Cassius mention the "Palestinians." What gives?

* Emphasis mine.

If you knew anything about the history of the Holy Land, you would know that after Rome defeated the Jews, they changed the name of Judaea to Palaestina.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where does it say that Israel legally acquired any land (Documentation) and where are the borders defining that land?

The United Nations and the vast majority of the international community recognizes the 1949 armistice lines as Israel's legitimate and rightful borders.

The UN map of Israel states:

The designations employed and the presentation of material on this
map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the
part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal
status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or
concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...G1JLHubiQIjAz1lwyUoSECg&bvm=bv.48293060,d.dmQ

The UN map of Israel has a disclaimer on territory and borders.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Israel is always defined by fake borders because it has no real borders.

 

[toastman]

Where does it say that Israel legally acquired any land (Documentation) and where are the borders defining that land?

The United Nations and the vast majority of the international community recognizes the 1949 armistice lines as Israel's legitimate and rightful borders.

The UN map of Israel states:

The designations employed and the presentation of material on this
map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the
part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal
status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or
concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...G1JLHubiQIjAz1lwyUoSECg&bvm=bv.48293060,d.dmQ

The UN map of Israel has a disclaimer on territory and borders.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Israel is always defined by fake borders because it has no real borders.

There's no such thing as fake borders.

The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

You keep saying that, but that is not the case.

Where does it say that Israel legally acquired any land (Documentation) and where are the borders defining that land?

Why would they mention the partition plan? That plan never happened?

(COMMENT)

I see you speak for the Palestinian side. So your position is overrides the official Palestinian position.

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.

(Signed) Nasser AL-KIDWA
Ambassador
Permanent Observer of
Palestine to the United Nations​

SOURCE: A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

More fragmentation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[50_RiaL]

...Nowhere in his multivolumne, magnum opus does Dio Cassius mention the "Palestinians." What gives?

* Emphasis mine.

If you knew anything about the history of the Holy Land, you would know that after Rome defeated the Jews, they changed the name of Judaea to Palaestina.

Name goes even further than that, bud.

Does precede Israel, though.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The United Nations and the vast majority of the international community recognizes the 1949 armistice lines as Israel's legitimate and rightful borders.

The UN map of Israel states:



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...G1JLHubiQIjAz1lwyUoSECg&bvm=bv.48293060,d.dmQ

The UN map of Israel has a disclaimer on territory and borders.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Israel is always defined by fake borders because it has no real borders.

There's no such thing as fake borders.

The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, there is an Israeli border between Egypt and Palestine.

 

[toastman]

The UN map of Israel states:



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...G1JLHubiQIjAz1lwyUoSECg&bvm=bv.48293060,d.dmQ

The UN map of Israel has a disclaimer on territory and borders.



Israel is always defined by fake borders because it has no real borders.

There's no such thing as fake borders.

The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, there is an Israeli border between Egypt and Palestine.

There's no mention of Palestine there.

 

[Hyrcanus]

There's no mention of Palestine there.

The land has been known as "Palestine" for more than 1,500 years.

 

[toastman]

There's no mention of Palestine there.

The land has been known as "Palestine" for more than 1,500 years.

Except I was talking about 1979. try to keep up