More History Before 1967

[Auteur]

The collusion of Britain, France, and Israel in the attempt to regain the Suez Canal is not controversial in academic circles; it is documented. It is neither history re-written, nor is it particularly anything to do with left wing sentiment. Some commentators opinions on the subject may be more or less factual, but the basic events are not in question.

As colonialism was going out of fashion by the '50s, Britain and France decided they needed a cover story for their mission to re-take the Suez Canal. They had a handy one in the form of the still smoldering feeling between Israel and Egypt. The story was to go like this: Israel would invade Egypt, driving up to the Suez Canal. Britain and France would then intervene, as peacekeepers. An altruistic mission of course, but, seeing as their military was now occupying the canal area, well.......what the heck. It didn't turn out that way, and for Israel it was no doubt a net loss, as it just helped fuel the animosity of an already troubled region.

 

[toastman]

Nobody. I'm just stating facts concerning the 1948 Arab war and showing you that Arab stink at warfare

Meanwhile Israel was desperate for America's help in 1967 and 1973.

Can you blame them ? Look at the size of Israel compared to the countries of the other belligerents

 

[Hyrcanus]

Can you blame them ? Look at the size of Israel compared to the countries of the other belligerents

what the hell does the geographic size of a country have to do with anything???????????

most of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, are uninhabited.

try bringing up relevant points.

 

[toastman]

Can you blame them ? Look at the size of Israel compared to the countries of the other belligerents

what the hell does the geographic size of a country have to do with anything???????????

most of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, are uninhabited.

try bringing up relevant points.

What you said is irrelevant .
Israel was by far the underdog in both wars, yet they won both wars.
America provided weaponry, not troops.
To the victor go the spoils

 

[Hyrcanus]

What you said is irrelevant .
Israel was by far the underdog in both wars, yet they won both wars.
America provided weaponry, not troops.
To the victor go the spoils

To the victor goes the spoils.

So we should have let Germany keep Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland?

 

[toastman]

What you said is irrelevant .
Israel was by far the underdog in both wars, yet they won both wars.
America provided weaponry, not troops.
To the victor go the spoils

To the victor goes the spoils.

So we should have let Germany keep Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland?

Germany won nothing

 

[Hyrcanus]

Germany won nothing

You don't get it.

Israel doesn't have to give up the West Bank.

But if they don't, and don't give the Palestinians full citizenship, they become a full Apartheid state.

 

[toastman]

I'm a bit confused with this post. Care to elaborate ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What you said is irrelevant .
Israel was by far the underdog in both wars, yet they won both wars.
America provided weaponry, not troops.
To the victor go the spoils

To the victor goes the spoils.

So we should have let Germany keep Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland?

Germany won nothing

Israel won nothing.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

To the victor goes the spoils.

So we should have let Germany keep Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland?

Germany won nothing

Israel won nothing.

Nothing except for a thriving country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Germany won nothing

Israel won nothing.

Nothing except for a thriving country.

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

what's your point?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

what's your point?

It is not over!

 

[toastman]

Israel won nothing.

Nothing except for a thriving country.

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

This is what I'm talking about, Palestinian supporters re-writing history.

Israel DID win land in 1948. After being attacked by the surrounding Arab armies, they expanded their territory.

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[2] Armistice Agreements

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

what's your point?

It is not over!

Yes it is. The Arabs lost. Get over it

 

[georgephillip]

"The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression, Suez War, or Second Arab-Israeli War[13][14]... was a diplomatic and military confrontation in late 1956 between Egypt on one side, and Britain, France and Israel on the other, with the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Nations playing major roles in forcing Britain, France and Israel to withdraw.[15]"

"Less than a day after Israel invaded Egypt, Britain and France issued a joint ultimatum to Egypt and Israel, and then began to bomb Cairo. Despite the denials of the Israeli, British, and French governments, allegations began to emerge that the invasion of Egypt had been planned beforehand by the three powers.[18]

"Anglo-French forces withdrew before the end of the year, but Israeli forces remained until March 1957, prolonging the crisis. In April, the canal was fully reopened to shipping, but other repercussions followed."

How did the French reward their loyal Jewish Spartans?
Here's one possibility offered by a veteran of Israel's War of Independence:

"The French were struggling with the Algerian war for independence and believed that their real enemy was the Egyptian leader, Gamal Abd-al-Nasser. They got Israel to spearhead an attack to topple him. It was a complete failure.

"In my opinion, the war was a political disaster for Israel.

"It dug the abyss separating our new state from the Arab world.

"But the French showed their gratitude – they rewarded Peres with the atomic reactor in Dimona."

When the Gods Laugh » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sounds more like rewriting History Before 1967. Typical left wing bull shit.

Why do you suppose Ike choose to side with the Arabs at considerable political threat to his own reelection?

"When the British-French-Israeli invasion forced them to choose, Eisenhower and Dulles came down, with instant decisiveness, on the side of the Egyptians.

"They preferred alignment with Arab nationalism, even if it meant alienating pro-Israeli constituencies on the eve of a presidential election in the United States, even if it meant throwing the NATO alliance into its most divisive crisis yet, even if it meant risking whatever was left of the Anglo-American 'special relationship', even if it meant voting with the Soviet Union in the United Nations Security Council at a time when the Russians, themselves, were invading Hungary and crushing—far more brutally than anything that happened in Egypt—a rebellion against their own authority there.

"The fact that the Eisenhower administration itself applied crushing economic pressure to the British and French to disengage from Suez, and that it subsequently forced an Israeli pull-back from the Sinai as well—all of this, one might thought, would won the United States the lasting gratitude of Nasser, the Egyptians and the Arab world.

"Instead, the Americans lost influence in the Middle East as a result of Suez, while the Russians gained it.[301]"

Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hyrcanus]

Yes it is. The Arabs lost. Get over it

when Jews sue Germany for lost property, compensation for slave labor, or increase in Holocaust pensions, do you tell THEM to "get over it"?

 

[georgephillip]

Noam Chomsky (NC) was in Beirut lately where he had time for the following interview with journalist Maha Zaraket (MZ)

"MZ: After 9/11, the Americans asked, 'Why does the rest of the world hate us?' Is it possible for us to ask, why do the Americans hate us?

"NC: I think it is kind of interesting...because the question was asked a long time ago in 1958 when then-President Eisenhower asked his staff why is there a campaign of hatred against us in the Arab world, and not from the governments which are supportive, but from the population.

"That same year, 1958, the National Security Council, the main planning body, came out with a document – it has been in the public domain for four years – in which they explained, they said that there is a perception in the Arab world that the US supports dictatorships and blocks democracy, and that we do it because we want to maintain control of their resources, their energy supplies. [The document said] this is what we ought to be doing, even though there will be a campaign of hatred against us.

"That was 1958, and if you think of that year, that was right after Eisenhower had forced Britain, France, and Israel out of Egypt, so you might expect that there would not be a campaign of hatred, but there was. And those were the perceived reasons and pretty much the right ones.

"After 9/11 George W. Bush, raised the question, why do they hate us? They hate our freedom and so on. The Pentagon Research Bureau did come out with a study, and their conclusions were the same as the National Security Council in 1958.

Noam Chomsky Interview: Sykes-Picot Is Failing | Al Akhbar English

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nothing except for a thriving country.

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

This is what I'm talking about, Palestinian supporters re-writing history.

Israel DID win land in 1948. After being attacked by the surrounding Arab armies, they expanded their territory.

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[2] Armistice Agreements

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, but an armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution.

Nobody won or lost the 1948 war.

 

[toastman]

Indeed, but they have yet to win any land.

This is what I'm talking about, Palestinian supporters re-writing history.

Israel DID win land in 1948. After being attacked by the surrounding Arab armies, they expanded their territory.

Result Israeli victory; Palestinian Arab defeat; Arab League strategic failure;[2] Armistice Agreements

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, but an armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution.

Nobody won or lost the 1948 war.

Then let me ask you this.

How does one determine who wins or who loses a war ??
Should we not be looking at the goals of each belligerent and weather or weather not they were met during the war?