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[Old Rocks]

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Amazing how many on the left have absolutely no idea how much work, stress, time and sacrifice it takes just to be able to hire your FIRST employee, and keep paying them.

Just start a business, snap your fingers, and BING! You're a millionaire with 200 employees.

Incredible.

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Oh, I have no hatred for the petty capitalist, although labor exploitation is never a good thing.

No one is forced to work. We know this because there's a guy on the side walk as I leave for work, who hasn't done anything at all for the entire day, and people give him money to stand on the corner.

Exploitation is not inherently bad. In fact, it's mutually beneficial. My employer is making money off me. I'm making money off him. We're both better off because of the arrangement. If I were not better off, I wouldn't work there.

For some reason, they think that a person is chained to an employer. If the employer won't pay them enough, there's nothing they can do. The employer can laugh and giggle and dance around them, because they just can't go anywhere else. That's it, they're stuck there.

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For those with no skills, in this market, that is pretty much the truth. Advice I give to any young person, learn a skill, get an education, and continue that education for as long as you are alive. Yesterdays skills are often not revelant in todays employment market.

 

[Marxist]

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Amazing how many on the left have absolutely no idea how much work, stress, time and sacrifice it takes just to be able to hire your FIRST employee, and keep paying them.

Just start a business, snap your fingers, and BING! You're a millionaire with 200 employees.

Incredible.

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Oh, I have no hatred for the petty capitalist, although labor exploitation is never a good thing.

No one is forced to work. We know this because there's a guy on the side walk as I leave for work, who hasn't done anything at all for the entire day, and people give him money to stand on the corner.

Exploitation is not inherently bad. In fact, it's mutually beneficial. My employer is making money off me. I'm making money off him. We're both better off because of the arrangement. If I were not better off, I wouldn't work there.

For some reason, they think that a person is chained to an employer. If the employer won't pay them enough, there's nothing they can do. The employer can laugh and giggle and dance around them, because they just can't go anywhere else. That's it, they're stuck there.

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For those with no skills, in this market, that is pretty much the truth. Advice I give to any young person, learn a skill, get an education, and continue that education for as long as you are alive. Yesterdays skills are often not revelant in todays employment market.

It's not that easy, and someone has to do the majority of "unskilled jobs" it's how it works.

 

[Marxist]

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

Yes, there are numerous examples of exactly what you point out here. To those people, and the people like Musk, Gates, and Buffet, a tip of the hat. But then there are the people like Ken Lay, that are parasites on the rest of us. Just as there are people I have worked with that are also parasites on the rest of us. But it is easier to fire the parasite worker, than the parasite capitalist.

Capitalism is an economic tool, and like other tools, circle saws, ect., it needs safeguards on it. Those are regulations. Had we kept the Glass-Steigal regulations in force, the crash of '08 might not have happened.

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

I don't think the international capitalists who own sweatshops, mines, phone centers in India, Apple.. Yes, the petty capitalist may work hard to continue his exploitation, but signing deals? That's not hard labor or work.

 

[Andylusion]

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Amazing how many on the left have absolutely no idea how much work, stress, time and sacrifice it takes just to be able to hire your FIRST employee, and keep paying them.

Just start a business, snap your fingers, and BING! You're a millionaire with 200 employees.

Incredible.

.

Oh, I have no hatred for the petty capitalist, although labor exploitation is never a good thing.

No one is forced to work. We know this because there's a guy on the side walk as I leave for work, who hasn't done anything at all for the entire day, and people give him money to stand on the corner.

Exploitation is not inherently bad. In fact, it's mutually beneficial. My employer is making money off me. I'm making money off him. We're both better off because of the arrangement. If I were not better off, I wouldn't work there.

For some reason, they think that a person is chained to an employer. If the employer won't pay them enough, there's nothing they can do. The employer can laugh and giggle and dance around them, because they just can't go anywhere else. That's it, they're stuck there.

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For those with no skills, in this market, that is pretty much the truth. Advice I give to any young person, learn a skill, get an education, and continue that education for as long as you are alive. Yesterdays skills are often not revelant in todays employment market.

Nah, I reject that. Totally bogus thinking. You don't need skills. Does it help? Yes. But I have absolutely no skills at all. None.

Yet I have been able to find a job whenever I've needed one. And I have been able to get promotions, and raises.

Employees in America are so crappy, so terrible, that you can get ahead by doing nearly nothing.

Show up........ ON TIME.... You'll be ahead of 50% of the other employees just by being at your work on time.

WORK.... while you are at WORK. Just put your cell phone away, and do your work every day. You'll have promotions just for...... WORKING.

When the boss asks you to do something.... DO IT.... KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.... and DO IT RIGHT AWAY.

That right there... just doing that alone, will put you in the top 20% of employees. Most managers are so shocked when an employee does what is asked without back talking, that they will give them a raise just for that.

Now, if you want to make real big money, yes get a skill. But even if you don't, ANYONE can get ahead, just by being a worth while employee. It's so rare to have an employee that actually works, and doesn't mouth off with the "not-my-job" routine, that this alone will put you ahead of the vast majority of the crowd.

 

[Andylusion]

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

Yes, there are numerous examples of exactly what you point out here. To those people, and the people like Musk, Gates, and Buffet, a tip of the hat. But then there are the people like Ken Lay, that are parasites on the rest of us. Just as there are people I have worked with that are also parasites on the rest of us. But it is easier to fire the parasite worker, than the parasite capitalist.

Capitalism is an economic tool, and like other tools, circle saws, ect., it needs safeguards on it. Those are regulations. Had we kept the Glass-Steigal regulations in force, the crash of '08 might not have happened.

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

I don't think the international capitalists who own sweatshops, mines, phone centers in India, Apple.. Yes, the petty capitalist may work hard to continue his exploitation, but signing deals? That's not hard labor or work.

It is hard work. You are just wrong. Sorry. I've seen CEOs put in MONTHS to put together a deal.

Sorry, you are just flat out wrong. And by the way, those sweat shops, are often the highest paying jobs in those areas. The people who work there, have a higher standard of living than all their fellow citizens.

It's amazing how arrogant people in this country can be, attacking those who give a better life to those who have no other possibility for improving themselves.

I remember reading about the Nike plant in Malaysia. Everyone screamed and yelled.... so they raised wages.... AND LAID OFF 25% OF THE WORKERS. Hundreds of workers lost their jobs, and went back to being completely impoverished. Good job socialist scum. You screwed over some of the poorest people in the world. Well done. Give yourself a pat on the back. Idiots.

 

[Andylusion]

The rich keep getting richer and keep ******* over the workers. You loserterians are a front group for destroying America.

You have the right to be ignorant, and wrong. Please continue.

How? The rich since the 1970's have constantly become richer and richer as the avg mans wages only very slowly increased. The rich hold most of the wealth and take advantage of the little guy.

How is this fair? And how exactly am I wrong>

Fair... is you getting paid how much someone is willing to pay you. How much someone else is paid, has no barring on it either way.

Saying that someone else should not be paid more, because you are not, is just greed and envy. None of your business how much someone else is paid.

You don't do what a CEO does. And bad CEO, and Enron the whole company. So they should be paid a ton, because all the employees of Enron lost everything. You want that to happen more? Just cut their pay. You end up with crap CEOs, and soon no job.

I for one... want a job. I like having a job. And if the CEO makes a thousand times my wage, what difference does that make? If I'm paid a fair wage for my job, that's all that matters.

Further.... of course the rich are getting richer..... THEY MAKE ALL THE WEALTH IN THE COUNTRY...... They SHOULD get richer.

Look around you dude..... everything you have......... (catch that?) EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.... is due to a rich guy.

If they could not become richer making that stuff? They wouldn't. And you wouldn't have it.

We have one of the highest standards of living on the face of the planet, and you owe it to rich.

I've been to Europe. They are not poor like a 3rd world country... no. But they are not like America. You have the highest standard of living in the world. In the whole freakin world. It's not close.

And you have more opportunity to be a rich person, here in this country, than anywhere else.

You want to change that? You want to be poorer, and have less opportunity? Just get rid of the libertarians that fight for your ability to make something of yourself. Just adopt a socialist left-wing hell, and you'll end up just like China did. China used to lead the whole world. They screwed themselves, and we are trying the same thing.

 

[Mac1958]

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Amazing how many on the left have absolutely no idea how much work, stress, time and sacrifice it takes just to be able to hire your FIRST employee, and keep paying them.

Just start a business, snap your fingers, and BING! You're a millionaire with 200 employees.

Incredible.

.

Oh, I have no hatred for the petty capitalist, although labor exploitation is never a good thing.

No one is forced to work. We know this because there's a guy on the side walk as I leave for work, who hasn't done anything at all for the entire day, and people give him money to stand on the corner.

Exploitation is not inherently bad. In fact, it's mutually beneficial. My employer is making money off me. I'm making money off him. We're both better off because of the arrangement. If I were not better off, I wouldn't work there.

For some reason, they think that a person is chained to an employer. If the employer won't pay them enough, there's nothing they can do. The employer can laugh and giggle and dance around them, because they just can't go anywhere else. That's it, they're stuck there.

.

For those with no skills, in this market, that is pretty much the truth. Advice I give to any young person, learn a skill, get an education, and continue that education for as long as you are alive. Yesterdays skills are often not revelant in todays employment market.

Nah, I reject that. Totally bogus thinking. You don't need skills. Does it help? Yes. But I have absolutely no skills at all. None.

Yet I have been able to find a job whenever I've needed one. And I have been able to get promotions, and raises.

Employees in America are so crappy, so terrible, that you can get ahead by doing nearly nothing.

Show up........ ON TIME.... You'll be ahead of 50% of the other employees just by being at your work on time.

WORK.... while you are at WORK. Just put your cell phone away, and do your work every day. You'll have promotions just for...... WORKING.

When the boss asks you to do something.... DO IT.... KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.... and DO IT RIGHT AWAY.

That right there... just doing that alone, will put you in the top 20% of employees. Most managers are so shocked when an employee does what is asked without back talking, that they will give them a raise just for that.

Now, if you want to make real big money, yes get a skill. But even if you don't, ANYONE can get ahead, just by being a worth while employee. It's so rare to have an employee that actually works, and doesn't mouth off with the "not-my-job" routine, that this alone will put you ahead of the vast majority of the crowd.

Agreed.

I can tell you first hand that, while skills and background are obviously important, attitude and professionalism are at LEAST as important these days.

There's an old saying: "Hire the athlete and teach them the game".

There are WAY too many people out there who simply can't be bothered with being a good employee.

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[Marxist]

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

Yes, there are numerous examples of exactly what you point out here. To those people, and the people like Musk, Gates, and Buffet, a tip of the hat. But then there are the people like Ken Lay, that are parasites on the rest of us. Just as there are people I have worked with that are also parasites on the rest of us. But it is easier to fire the parasite worker, than the parasite capitalist.

Capitalism is an economic tool, and like other tools, circle saws, ect., it needs safeguards on it. Those are regulations. Had we kept the Glass-Steigal regulations in force, the crash of '08 might not have happened.

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

I don't think the international capitalists who own sweatshops, mines, phone centers in India, Apple.. Yes, the petty capitalist may work hard to continue his exploitation, but signing deals? That's not hard labor or work.

It is hard work. You are just wrong. Sorry. I've seen CEOs put in MONTHS to put together a deal.

Sorry, you are just flat out wrong. And by the way, those sweat shops, are often the highest paying jobs in those areas. The people who work there, have a higher standard of living than all their fellow citizens.

It's amazing how arrogant people in this country can be, attacking those who give a better life to those who have no other possibility for improving themselves.

I remember reading about the Nike plant in Malaysia. Everyone screamed and yelled.... so they raised wages.... AND LAID OFF 25% OF THE WORKERS. Hundreds of workers lost their jobs, and went back to being completely impoverished. Good job socialist scum. You screwed over some of the poorest people in the world. Well done. Give yourself a pat on the back. Idiots.

Yeah, you're full of shit.

 

[boilermaker55]

Because you have no real substance to argue.
Thank you!

No, they invest the money. Others who work in the factories or in the offices or wherever, help the company to survive and to make a profit.
Try this. Take $100,000 and buy a building and all the equipment need for your "company" then lets just see how much money you make without help.
Try it, just once!

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

I always hear that capitalists create the jobs, well, everything the capitalist uses, acquires, the labor they use, it all comes from workers. Who are the real job creators?

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.

ROFL

 

[boilermaker55]

The investment doesn't work unless the middle class workers do the job. Dumbass!

I always hear that capitalists create the jobs, well, everything the capitalist uses, acquires, the labor they use, it all comes from workers. Who are the real job creators?

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work as an investment that you were not directly paid for. Effing marxist pig. Investments don't have to pay off. Investments in $ is no different than an investment in time or effort.

 

[Marxist]

The investment doesn't work unless the middle class workers do the job. Dumbass!

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work as an investment that you were not directly paid for. Effing marxist pig. Investments don't have to pay off. Investments in $ is no different than an investment in time or effort.

Marxist pig .-.

 

[Andylusion]

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Amazing how many on the left have absolutely no idea how much work, stress, time and sacrifice it takes just to be able to hire your FIRST employee, and keep paying them.

Just start a business, snap your fingers, and BING! You're a millionaire with 200 employees.

Incredible.

.

Oh, I have no hatred for the petty capitalist, although labor exploitation is never a good thing.

No one is forced to work. We know this because there's a guy on the side walk as I leave for work, who hasn't done anything at all for the entire day, and people give him money to stand on the corner.

Exploitation is not inherently bad. In fact, it's mutually beneficial. My employer is making money off me. I'm making money off him. We're both better off because of the arrangement. If I were not better off, I wouldn't work there.

For some reason, they think that a person is chained to an employer. If the employer won't pay them enough, there's nothing they can do. The employer can laugh and giggle and dance around them, because they just can't go anywhere else. That's it, they're stuck there.

.

For those with no skills, in this market, that is pretty much the truth. Advice I give to any young person, learn a skill, get an education, and continue that education for as long as you are alive. Yesterdays skills are often not revelant in todays employment market.

It's not that easy, and someone has to do the majority of "unskilled jobs" it's how it works.

There is nothing wrong with that. And nothing in life is easy. What idiot bum wanders around life, expecting that they can barely take the energy to flip a burger over, and yet earn millions? That's the ideology of the fool.

If you want to earn more, you have to EARN it. You have to find a skill or job that is worth more to the public. This is life. This is how is should be.

 

[Andylusion]

The investment doesn't work unless the middle class workers do the job. Dumbass!

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work as an investment that you were not directly paid for. Effing marxist pig. Investments don't have to pay off. Investments in $ is no different than an investment in time or effort.

That doesn't matter. Without the Capitalists, there would be no work for the middle class to do.

 

[mudwhistle]

The rich are doing real well under Obama.....and Hillary says this must STOP!!!!!

 

[Marxist]

Oh, I have no hatred for the petty capitalist, although labor exploitation is never a good thing.

No one is forced to work. We know this because there's a guy on the side walk as I leave for work, who hasn't done anything at all for the entire day, and people give him money to stand on the corner.

Exploitation is not inherently bad. In fact, it's mutually beneficial. My employer is making money off me. I'm making money off him. We're both better off because of the arrangement. If I were not better off, I wouldn't work there.

For some reason, they think that a person is chained to an employer. If the employer won't pay them enough, there's nothing they can do. The employer can laugh and giggle and dance around them, because they just can't go anywhere else. That's it, they're stuck there.

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For those with no skills, in this market, that is pretty much the truth. Advice I give to any young person, learn a skill, get an education, and continue that education for as long as you are alive. Yesterdays skills are often not revelant in todays employment market.

It's not that easy, and someone has to do the majority of "unskilled jobs" it's how it works.

There is nothing wrong with that. And nothing in life is easy. What idiot bum wanders around life, expecting that they can barely take the energy to flip a burger over, and yet earn millions? That's the ideology of the fool.

If you want to earn more, you have to EARN it. You have to find a skill or job that is worth more to the public. This is life. This is how is should be.

Their is something wrong with that, and we have the capacity to make life easy, these bums don't want millions, they want enough to not have to worry and have a livable wage for nutritional needs, shelter, medicine.. I know plenty of homeless individuals. Ah, earn it. Yeah, what's the definition of earning it? I don't think the public gives two ***** about the people on wall street, or the CEO of nestle. Inherently, billions of people will never be able to achieve "success" and "earn it" since they're failures and obviously need to try harder, not everyone can be businessmen, bankers.. You're delusional if you think it's easy to rise up either.

 

[Marxist]

The investment doesn't work unless the middle class workers do the job. Dumbass!

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work as an investment that you were not directly paid for. Effing marxist pig. Investments don't have to pay off. Investments in $ is no different than an investment in time or effort.

That doesn't matter. Without the Capitalists, there would be no work for the middle class to do.

Without the capitalists, work would be based on the actual needs of society, not by what the capitalist wants done for profit.

 

[Andylusion]

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

Yes, there are numerous examples of exactly what you point out here. To those people, and the people like Musk, Gates, and Buffet, a tip of the hat. But then there are the people like Ken Lay, that are parasites on the rest of us. Just as there are people I have worked with that are also parasites on the rest of us. But it is easier to fire the parasite worker, than the parasite capitalist.

Capitalism is an economic tool, and like other tools, circle saws, ect., it needs safeguards on it. Those are regulations. Had we kept the Glass-Steigal regulations in force, the crash of '08 might not have happened.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work that you were not paid for as an investment. Effing marxist pig.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

I don't think the international capitalists who own sweatshops, mines, phone centers in India, Apple.. Yes, the petty capitalist may work hard to continue his exploitation, but signing deals? That's not hard labor or work.

It is hard work. You are just wrong. Sorry. I've seen CEOs put in MONTHS to put together a deal.

Sorry, you are just flat out wrong. And by the way, those sweat shops, are often the highest paying jobs in those areas. The people who work there, have a higher standard of living than all their fellow citizens.

It's amazing how arrogant people in this country can be, attacking those who give a better life to those who have no other possibility for improving themselves.

I remember reading about the Nike plant in Malaysia. Everyone screamed and yelled.... so they raised wages.... AND LAID OFF 25% OF THE WORKERS. Hundreds of workers lost their jobs, and went back to being completely impoverished. Good job socialist scum. You screwed over some of the poorest people in the world. Well done. Give yourself a pat on the back. Idiots.

Yeah, you're full of shit.

You haven't run so much as a lemonade stand. I wager you likely don't even balanced your check book do you?

Am I wrong? Maybe I am. You tell me. What company have you run?

 

[Andylusion]

The investment doesn't work unless the middle class workers do the job. Dumbass!

ROFL

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work as an investment that you were not directly paid for. Effing marxist pig. Investments don't have to pay off. Investments in $ is no different than an investment in time or effort.

That doesn't matter. Without the Capitalists, there would be no work for the middle class to do.

Without the capitalists, work would be based on the actual needs of society, not by what the capitalist wants done for profit.

Yeah, that's why the Soviets were literally starving to death. That's why Venezuela has record poverty and malnutrition. That's why people were willing to risk death to swim to Miami.

We've seen how your system works... it works by leaving people impoverished, and starving.

Cuban "pharmacy". No Capitalists making profit, and no medications either.

Venezuela; Sign says "made with socialism"... above the empty shelves.

 

[Marxist]

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

Yes, there are numerous examples of exactly what you point out here. To those people, and the people like Musk, Gates, and Buffet, a tip of the hat. But then there are the people like Ken Lay, that are parasites on the rest of us. Just as there are people I have worked with that are also parasites on the rest of us. But it is easier to fire the parasite worker, than the parasite capitalist.

Capitalism is an economic tool, and like other tools, circle saws, ect., it needs safeguards on it. Those are regulations. Had we kept the Glass-Steigal regulations in force, the crash of '08 might not have happened.

You're intelligent comments are inspiring. You refuse to tell me what the capitalist actually does that involves hard work.

The reason people are not answering you directly, is because we perceive that you are both ideologically driven, and willfully ignorant. In short, we don't think you would accept the honest answer.

Nevertheless, here is your answer.

My CEO and company owner, shows up a full hour before any employees arrive. He works from 7 AM, to about 6 PM every day. He has flown to China, Arizona, and numerous other locations to meet with Customers and Suppliers, to fix problems, sign deals, and make contracts for new products.

The CEO sold his home to purchase this company, and I've seen him pack up everything, and fly to Florida, to spend an entire week fixing a bad deployment, with only him, and the head Engineer there, working 12-hour shifts, to fix all the issues.

There are numerous examples where a Capitalists does a ton. I used to work for a small firm called Vanner Inc, and in the conference room, there's a picture of the company owner, in his basement, with all his equipment, building the original product all by himself. He built the company from the ground up.

The reason most people on this thread, are just insulting you, is because all of us in the real world, that know how things actually work, know that to claim Capitalists don't do anything, is the absolute pinnacle of total ignorance and stupidity.

I don't think the international capitalists who own sweatshops, mines, phone centers in India, Apple.. Yes, the petty capitalist may work hard to continue his exploitation, but signing deals? That's not hard labor or work.

It is hard work. You are just wrong. Sorry. I've seen CEOs put in MONTHS to put together a deal.

Sorry, you are just flat out wrong. And by the way, those sweat shops, are often the highest paying jobs in those areas. The people who work there, have a higher standard of living than all their fellow citizens.

It's amazing how arrogant people in this country can be, attacking those who give a better life to those who have no other possibility for improving themselves.

I remember reading about the Nike plant in Malaysia. Everyone screamed and yelled.... so they raised wages.... AND LAID OFF 25% OF THE WORKERS. Hundreds of workers lost their jobs, and went back to being completely impoverished. Good job socialist scum. You screwed over some of the poorest people in the world. Well done. Give yourself a pat on the back. Idiots.

Yeah, you're full of shit.

You haven't run so much as a lemonade stand. I wager you likely don't even balanced your check book do you?

Am I wrong? Maybe I am. You tell me. What company have you run?

I balance my checkbook, and I have made investments in the past when I was unaware of the problems

 

[Marxist]

The investment doesn't work unless the middle class workers do the job. Dumbass!

Yes, yes, your petty ROFL response is hilarious. Now tell me, what work does the capitalist actually do then "invest" to buy materials, made by workers, hell, everything the capitalist uses is made by workers.

ROFL what a dumb ass POS you are.

I suppose you've never done any work as an investment that you were not directly paid for. Effing marxist pig. Investments don't have to pay off. Investments in $ is no different than an investment in time or effort.

That doesn't matter. Without the Capitalists, there would be no work for the middle class to do.

Without the capitalists, work would be based on the actual needs of society, not by what the capitalist wants done for profit.

Yeah, that's why the Soviets were literally starving to death. That's why Venezuela has record poverty and malnutrition. That's why people were willing to risk death to swim to Miami.

We've seen how your system works... it works by leaving people impoverished, and starving.

Cuban "pharmacy". No Capitalists making profit, and no medications either.

Venezuela; Sign says "made with socialism"... above the empty shelves.

Keep cherry picking and completely ignore that Venezuela literally improved in most areas under Hugo, and look at what Cuba has gone through, and compare them to a similar country.