Mongolian BLITZKRIEG

[Quasar44]

Mongolian Blitzkreig was perhaps the greatest in the history of the WORLD until the NAZIS.

They literally conquered all of Eastern Europe in a few years
They Destroyed and conquered the powerful Muslim World in a few years
They conquered all of N. China with little problems.

They truly were the greatest Army of all time until the Germans. Maybe Romans then Germans then Mongolians

They used lighting speed and movement with their deadly long range archers.

Lucky for Europe: the Mongolians viewed them as so backwards it was not worth their time.

They were the gods of psyhcological warfare and used it often to scare their opponents to death

 

[jackflash]

Mongolian Blitzkreig was perhaps the greatest in the history of the WORLD until the NAZIS.

They literally conquered all of Eastern Europe in a few years
They Destroyed and conquered the powerful Muslim World in a few years
They conquered all of N. China with little problems.

They truly were the greatest Army of all time until the Germans. Maybe Romans then Germans then Mongolians

They used lighting speed and movement with their deadly long range archers.

Lucky for Europe: the Mongolians viewed them as so backwards it was not worth their time.

They were the gods of psyhcological warfare and used it often to scare their opponents to death

Khan Dynasty; don't take out ONE FIFTH of the worlds population without them!

 

[Kruska]

Mongolian Blitzkreig was perhaps the greatest in the history of the WORLD until the NAZIS.

They literally conquered all of Eastern Europe in a few years
They Destroyed and conquered the powerful Muslim World in a few years
They conquered all of N. China with little problems.

They truly were the greatest Army of all time until the Germans. Maybe Romans then Germans then Mongolians

They used lighting speed and movement with their deadly long range archers.

Lucky for Europe: the Mongolians viewed them as so backwards it was not worth their time.

They were the gods of psyhcological warfare and used it often to scare their opponents to death

In regards to their raid/kill&plunder philosophy - yes for sure
However due to a total lack in administrative qualities their "sole-reign" only lasted barely a 100 years.

 

[Quasar44]

In regards to their raid/kill&plunder philosophy - yes for sure
However due to a total lack in administrative qualities their "sole-reign" only lasted barely a 100 years.

It was not because of their adminstrative qualities that destroyed them .. it was something FAR FAR WORSE

The
BLACK DEATH

Totally destroyed their WORLD and their global business WORLD collapsed

 

[westwall]

In regards to their raid/kill&plunder philosophy - yes for sure
However due to a total lack in administrative qualities their "sole-reign" only lasted barely a 100 years.

Only because of the Plague which decimated them. And theirs was far more peaceful a reign than the Chinese they conquered. Before the Mongols the Chinese executed 30,000 per year.

After they were conquered the executions dropped every year till finally the toll was around 700 per year.

 

[Quasar44]

the Mongolian empire was a massive business of movement. It was like a super giant corporation . They were the original Amazon
When it crumbled- they did not recover

 

[Muhammed]

Khan Dynasty; don't take out ONE FIFTH of the worlds population without them!

Sure he killed about 40 million but it's estimated that Genghis Khan has ~40 million descendants today. He did a lot of killing but he also did a lot of raping. So maybe it kinda evens out after 800 years.

 

[Kruska]

Only because of the Plague which decimated them. And theirs was far more peaceful a reign than the Chinese they conquered. Before the Mongols the Chinese executed 30,000 per year.

After they were conquered the executions dropped every year till finally the toll was around 700 per year.

The plague wasn't just reserved for Mongols - it hit every nation and tribe. Also there wasn't a plague everywhere within those 100 years. e.g. Russia

You got a source for these 700 executions/year in China?
Peace-full? they attacked Southern-China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, Vietnam and mostly each other.

 

[westwall]

The plague wasn't just reserved for Mongols - it hit every nation and tribe. Also there wasn't a plague everywhere within those 100 years. e.g. Russia

You got a source for these 700 executions/year in China?
Peace-full? they attacked Southern-China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, Vietnam and mostly each other.

It hit the Mongols the hardest because they DID have a centralized government, which was nearly wiped out.

Yeah, it's called a book. I believe it's called "How the Mongols Saved Civilization"

Been a while since I read it so the title may be off a little.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

In regards to their raid/kill&plunder philosophy - yes for sure
However due to a total lack in administrative qualities their "sole-reign" only lasted barely a 100 years.

Making the Whole World Into a Hole Whirled

It doesn't take any skill to administer to a graveyard. The sole purpose of those humanoids was to kill everybody and destroy anything real humans had built. Jealous of homo sapiens achievements, they wanted to turn their conquests into a race track, with no spectators.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The plague wasn't just reserved for Mongols - it hit every nation and tribe. Also there wasn't a plague everywhere within those 100 years. e.g. Russia

You got a source for these 700 executions/year in China?
Peace-full? they attacked Southern-China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, Vietnam and mostly each other.

The Religion of Cain

And the ones left in the Middle East appropriately converted to Islam, the faith of thrill-killing savages.

 

[Kruska]

It hit the Mongols the hardest because they DID have a centralized government, which was nearly wiped out.

Yeah, it's called a book. I believe it's called "How the Mongols Saved Civilization"

Been a while since I read it so the title may be off a little.

The Mongol "unified" Empire was established by Genghis Kahn from 1206 onward and ended in 1248 with the death of his grandson. Thus resulting into 4 Kahnats - and immediate infighting within and amongst the Kahnats.

The Mongol Dynasty in China - aka the Yuan Dynasty was established by the Mongols and ruled China from 1271 to 1368 CE
The remaining Mongol ruled territories even refused to acknowledge Kublai Kahn as their overlord

The "black death" only started to show up from 1350 onward - by then the Mongols were no more unified and their control was already lost - furthermore they never possessed the manpower to effectively control those conquered regions - but were already driven out or assimilated by the local population.
e.g.:
After the devastating Mongol invasion of 1260, much of Syria again became directly dependent on the new rulers in Egypt, the Mameluke Damascus was the seat of the sultan’s deputy in Syria, with a miniature court fashioned after that of Cairo. The economy recovered quickly after the Mongol withdrawal in 1260, and it was booming by the beginning of the 14th century.

Also the Mongols never conducted "global business" - or any significant business. They did however control most of the Silk Road - used in vast majority by Chinese, Iranian and Arab traders, raiding these caravans or demanding protection money - and the Black death main artery of distribution was the Silk Road.

The Mongols did not posses administrative capabilities - aside from those they partially in-cooperated from the previous independent territories - especially in regards to China.
Their traditional ruling scheme was to raid and pillage - then distribute that bounty in order to gain loyalty from their warriors and chiefs. This is the reason why from 1248 onward they continuously attacked/raided the provinces they had already raided before and made war against each other - thus continuously draining their bounty-income source and their warrior numbers.

Regarding the timeline of the Black -death; in 1330 it started to appear in China and Mongolia - and by 1350 had spread into the Middle-east and Europe. Hence the people or person you seem to refer to is e.g. Timur Lane - and this fellow wasn't a Mongol but from the Turkic people living in today's Uzbekistan, their capital being Samarkand.

The actual Mongol Blitzkrieg towards the West lasted from 1206-1260 - whereby it took the Mongols 70 years 1206- 1278 to conquer and defeat China aka the Song Dynasty.
As such their was no Blitzkrieg at all in regards to China.

Millions of Chinese died during these 70 years - not to mention how many of those 3 million forced to build the Great Canal during the reign of Kublai Kahn. And from 1290 to 1368 countless uprisings/ revolutions and wars occurred, again resulting in millions of death.
So this non -source - claim of 700 executions/year is irrelevant and certainly incorrect. What you might refer to is the new law codex instituted by Kublai Kahn in 1280, that had reduced around 350 crimes, defined to be punishable by death during the Song Dynasty to 180.

 

[westwall]

The Mongol "unified" Empire was established by Genghis Kahn from 1206 onward and ended in 1248 with the death of his grandson. Thus resulting into 4 Kahnats - and immediate infighting within and amongst the Kahnats.

The Mongol Dynasty in China - aka the Yuan Dynasty was established by the Mongols and ruled China from 1271 to 1368 CE
The remaining Mongol ruled territories even refused to acknowledge Kublai Kahn as their overlord

The "black death" only started to show up from 1350 onward - by then the Mongols were no more unified and their control was already lost - furthermore they never possessed the manpower to effectively control those conquered regions - but were already driven out or assimilated by the local population.
e.g.:
After the devastating Mongol invasion of 1260, much of Syria again became directly dependent on the new rulers in Egypt, the Mameluke Damascus was the seat of the sultan’s deputy in Syria, with a miniature court fashioned after that of Cairo. The economy recovered quickly after the Mongol withdrawal in 1260, and it was booming by the beginning of the 14th century.

Also the Mongols never conducted "global business" - or any significant business. They did however control most of the Silk Road - used in vast majority by Chinese, Iranian and Arab traders, raiding these caravans or demanding protection money - and the Black death main artery of distribution was the Silk Road.

The Mongols did not posses administrative capabilities - aside from those they partially in-cooperated from the previous independent territories - especially in regards to China.
Their traditional ruling scheme was to raid and pillage - then distribute that bounty in order to gain loyalty from their warriors and chiefs. This is the reason why from 1248 onward they continuously attacked/raided the provinces they had already raided before and made war against each other - thus continuously draining their bounty-income source and their warrior numbers.

Regarding the timeline of the Black -death; in 1330 it started to appear in China and Mongolia - and by 1350 had spread into the Middle-east and Europe. Hence the people or person you seem to refer to is e.g. Timur Lane - and this fellow wasn't a Mongol but from the Turkic people living in today's Uzbekistan, their capital being Samarkand.

The actual Mongol Blitzkrieg towards the West lasted from 1206-1260 - whereby it took the Mongols 70 years 1206- 1278 to conquer and defeat China aka the Song Dynasty.
As such their was no Blitzkrieg at all in regards to China.

Millions of Chinese died during these 70 years - not to mention how many of those 3 million forced to build the Great Canal during the reign of Kublai Kahn. And from 1290 to 1368 countless uprisings/ revolutions and wars occurred, again resulting in millions of death.
So this non -source - claim of 700 executions/year is irrelevant and certainly incorrect. What you might refer to is the new law codex instituted by Kublai Kahn in 1280, that had reduced around 350 crimes, defined to be punishable by death during the Song Dynasty to 180.

You need to study more. The MO gols had excellent administrative capabilities. They hired the people who had developed them the most, so you are wrong.

That's what the Mongols were exceptionally good at. Either learning a new skill incredibly quickly, or employing those who had those skills. They never let culture dictate whether they could use something that the other guy had.

They also had the greatest discipline the world had ever seen up to that point. A beautiful woman, with no escort, could safely traverse the entire empire.

They developed a pony express and their riders could cover 400 miles in a day, so information traveled across the empire at what was at that time, a ridiculous rate, so they could react in days to what any other empire would require weeks, or in some cases months.

They freely transported technology throughout the empire, and are the entity most responsible for the rapid exchange of ideas that ultimately led to the Renaissance.

There is much about them that you don't know.

 

[Kruska]

You need to study more. The MO gols had excellent administrative capabilities. They hired the people who had developed them the most, so you are wrong.

That's what the Mongols were exceptionally good at. Either learning a new skill incredibly quickly, or employing those who had those skills. They never let culture dictate whether they could use something that the other guy had.

They also had the greatest discipline the world had ever seen up to that point. A beautiful woman, with no escort, could safely traverse the entire empire.

They developed a pony express and their riders could cover 400 miles in a day, so information traveled across the empire at what was at that time, a ridiculous rate, so they could react in days to what any other empire would require weeks, or in some cases months.

They freely transported technology throughout the empire, and are the entity most responsible for the rapid exchange of ideas that ultimately led to the Renaissance.

There is much about them that you don't know.

You need to differentiate between Mongols adopting military technology and being incapable of developing/adopting administration - so that they could actually hold on to their gains - profiting from them in a peaceful economy. Instead of continuously raiding and plundering for a 100 years.

China was the only exception - were the Mongols actually manged to thrive for 50 years, due to the Chinese implementing their system onto the Mongols. And not the Mongols (who had no such experience). The Mongol rulers of the Yuan Dynasty accepted and implemented the Chinese administration system, via ensuring at the same time that all Ministers, regional top government positions and the military were held by Mongols.

After a unified China was reestablished by the Ming Dynasty in 1368 - not a single one of those previous occupied Mongol territories (aside from the Golden Horde Khanate in Russia) managed to survive as a Mongol entity, but being overrun and eventually conquered by Turkic tribes from 1290 onward, intermixing with the local population and resulting in the Ottoman and Mogul Empires from 1400 onward. Whilst having endless wars and raids amongst themselves from 1248 onward.

Kublai Kahn and his son were already far more Chinese then Mongol - only their genetic heritage was factually Mongol.

You know very little about Mongol history and their tribal/ethnic composition, and obviously confuse them with the Turkic nations aka Tamerlane and the Timurid Empire- try and read up onto the following link.

Chagatai Khanate

The Chagatai Khanate (also Chaghatai, Jagatai, Chaghatay or Ca'adai, c. 1227-1363 CE) was that part of the Mongol Empire (1206-1368 CE) which covered what is today mostly Uzbekistan, southern Kazakhstan...

www.worldhistory.org

 

[westwall]

You need to differentiate between Mongols adopting military technology and being incapable of developing/adopting administration - so that they could actually hold on to their gains - profiting from them in a peaceful economy. Instead of continuously raiding and plundering for a 100 years.

China was the only exception - were the Mongols actually manged to thrive for 50 years, due to the Chinese implementing their system onto the Mongols. And not the Mongols (who had no such experience). The Mongol rulers of the Yuan Dynasty accepted and implemented the Chinese administration system, via ensuring at the same time that all Ministers, regional top government positions and the military were held by Mongols.

After a unified China was reestablished by the Ming Dynasty in 1368 - not a single one of those previous occupied Mongol territories (aside from the Golden Horde Khanate in Russia) managed to survive as a Mongol entity, but being overrun and eventually conquered by Turkic tribes from 1290 onward, intermixing with the local population and resulting in the Ottoman and Mogul Empires from 1400 onward. Whilst having endless wars and raids amongst themselves from 1248 onward.

Kublai Kahn and his son were already far more Chinese then Mongol - only their genetic heritage was factually Mongol.

You know very little about Mongol history and their tribal/ethnic composition, and obviously confuse them with the Turkic nations - try and read up onto the following link.

Chagatai Khanate

The Chagatai Khanate (also Chaghatai, Jagatai, Chaghatay or Ca'adai, c. 1227-1363 CE) was that part of the Mongol Empire (1206-1368 CE) which covered what is today mostly Uzbekistan, southern Kazakhstan...

www.worldhistory.org

Oh, I know quite a bit more than you. It is true that Kublai was culturally more Chinese than Mongol, though he did always maintain a yurt in his palace grounds.

What is sad is the Russians, in around 1930 or so, took the staff that had Temujins hair and most likely destroyed it because they feared it would act as a rallying point for a Mongol uprising.

My posts are based on my memory, not wiki surfing, as yours are. Skippy.

 

[Kruska]

Oh, I know quite a bit more than you. It is true that Kublai was culturally more Chinese than Mongol, though he did always maintain a yurt in his palace grounds.

What is sad is the Russians, in around 1930 or so, took the staff that had Temujins hair and most likely destroyed it because they feared it would act as a rallying point for a Mongol uprising.

My posts are based on my memory, not wiki surfing, as yours are. Skippy.

Hilarious of you to state that you would know more then me in regards to this topic - but anyway, just your belief.

The link I forwarded to you isn't some Wiki garbage - obviously you didn't even read it up - but prefer to continue fantasying about your Mongol knowledge.

 

[westwall]

Hilarious of you to state that you would know more then me in regards to this topic - but anyway, just your belief.

The link I forwarded to you isn't some Wiki garbage - obviously you didn't even read it up - but prefer to continue fantasying about your Mongol knowledge.

No, you regurgitate wiki stuff. You are an "instant expert" thanks to the computer.

I have studied the Mongols for longer than you have been alive.

 

[Kruska]

I have studied the Mongols for longer than you have been alive.

Sure - that is why you didn't even realize, that the Black death occured 120 years after Genghis Kahn's death - and 90 years after the Mongol raiding Empire broke apart.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Mongol "unified" Empire was established by Genghis Kahn from 1206 onward and ended in 1248 with the death of his grandson. Thus resulting into 4 Kahnats - and immediate infighting within and amongst the Kahnats.

The Mongol Dynasty in China - aka the Yuan Dynasty was established by the Mongols and ruled China from 1271 to 1368 CE
The remaining Mongol ruled territories even refused to acknowledge Kublai Kahn as their overlord

The "black death" only started to show up from 1350 onward - by then the Mongols were no more unified and their control was already lost - furthermore they never possessed the manpower to effectively control those conquered regions - but were already driven out or assimilated by the local population.
e.g.:
After the devastating Mongol invasion of 1260, much of Syria again became directly dependent on the new rulers in Egypt, the Mameluke Damascus was the seat of the sultan’s deputy in Syria, with a miniature court fashioned after that of Cairo. The economy recovered quickly after the Mongol withdrawal in 1260, and it was booming by the beginning of the 14th century.

Also the Mongols never conducted "global business" - or any significant business. They did however control most of the Silk Road - used in vast majority by Chinese, Iranian and Arab traders, raiding these caravans or demanding protection money - and the Black death main artery of distribution was the Silk Road.

The Mongols did not posses administrative capabilities - aside from those they partially in-cooperated from the previous independent territories - especially in regards to China.
Their traditional ruling scheme was to raid and pillage - then distribute that bounty in order to gain loyalty from their warriors and chiefs. This is the reason why from 1248 onward they continuously attacked/raided the provinces they had already raided before and made war against each other - thus continuously draining their bounty-income source and their warrior numbers.

Regarding the timeline of the Black -death; in 1330 it started to appear in China and Mongolia - and by 1350 had spread into the Middle-east and Europe. Hence the people or person you seem to refer to is e.g. Timur Lane - and this fellow wasn't a Mongol but from the Turkic people living in today's Uzbekistan, their capital being Samarkand.

The actual Mongol Blitzkrieg towards the West lasted from 1206-1260 - whereby it took the Mongols 70 years 1206- 1278 to conquer and defeat China aka the Song Dynasty.
As such their was no Blitzkrieg at all in regards to China.

Millions of Chinese died during these 70 years - not to mention how many of those 3 million forced to build the Great Canal during the reign of Kublai Kahn. And from 1290 to 1368 countless uprisings/ revolutions and wars occurred, again resulting in millions of death.
So this non -source - claim of 700 executions/year is irrelevant and certainly incorrect. What you might refer to is the new law codex instituted by Kublai Kahn in 1280, that had reduced around 350 crimes, defined to be punishable by death during the Song Dynasty to 180.

Echoes of a Prehistoric Horror

Retroactive history would conclude that the mass murder initiated by Genghis Khan wasn't the first Mongol invasion. It would fit that there was another one around 4000 BC that drove White people out of the Caucasus Mountains into Europe, Sumeria, Iran, and India.

 

[whitehall]

A thousand year old isolated civilization that preyed on tribal conflict finally perfected horseback warfare and raped and pillaged it's way across Europe. Today the same civilization is making blankets for the tourist trade.