Mohammed Abu Khder

Well, gosh.
This thread, all about dehumanising a murdered child, has been very nicely derailed.

What a bunch of wankers.
 
Well, gosh.
This thread, all about dehumanising a murdered child, has been very nicely derailed.

What a bunch of wankers.


Freddie darling I missed it again-----you manage to let me know what the "(non) LIE" was---
and now I have to ask who is the "dehumanized murdered child" and in
what way was the murdered child "dehumanized"?--------was he described as a
"legal target" like 4 month old baby Fogel??
 
A boy is murdered and because he is not Jewish, there is no demand for justice, no sorrow, no photos demanding "never again".

There is not even acknowledgement that this 16 year old was robbed of his future.

Simply. Wow.

I'm beyond disgusted.

Your context is not clear. If you meant on this board - that isn't accurate.

If you meant in the Israeli press - that isn't accurate either.

And I find it curious that you seem to have ignored the many examples of "Palestinians" celebrating and gloating over the kidnapping of Eyal, Gilad and Naftali. It is looking -from this one post! - as though your 'beyond disgust' is quite selective, which of course is your privilege and your decision...... I am hoping this one post above has been worded poorly or that I've misunderstood it : ((

My context is the members of this board only - though I wrote that post on 7/5 and since then, arrests, have been made and there have been some comments expressing anger and disgust at the act so my statement is now outdated.

I was not talking about anything outside of this board.

You shouldn't find it curious that I ignored the examples of Palestinians "celebrating". I also ignored the thread about certain Israeli's "celebrating". Those are seperate issues and if I'm going to post anything, I'd rather it be stuff about murders rather than the politicizing and attempts to make the victims something larger than they are - symbols of something they had no part of. They are 4 dead children who had their future ripped away. We'll never know what they might have been or done.

So yes Marge - I'm going to ignore all that stuff.

Edited to add - I should make it more clear why I wrote what I wrote. In the thread about the 3 Israeli teens - multiple people wrote how their killers should be hunted down like animals and killed - many harsh condemnations. In this thread - up until the police made plain who was behind the killings - there was none of that. In fact, many of those who made those comments, remain silent on this boys murder. That I find sad and telling. Kudus to you and Lipush and others who condemned it for what it was.
[MENTION=19170]Coyote[/MENTION] check post #2.
 
Coyote - Thank you for expanding on your one post which I asked about. This 'conversation' between you and me has been an example of why people generally get better results when they refuse to allow their emotions to direct their responses.

I try to remain aware that my perception is not 'impartial', as much as I seek to be objective. I don't see how any conflict can be successfully resolved without a commitment to objectivity - which, of course can never be perfect. But it's more likely to produce a situation where both sides can at least grudgingly tolerate the outcome.

The problem is that 'it takes two to fight' is not exactly true when 'walking away' is not an available option.....at that point it only takes one.

And there are those on 'each side' who are not willing to compromise at all. The question we can ALL discuss is "How can we marginalize and diminish the power of OUR OWN extremists?" .....
Much depends on how well armed they are, I'll wager...
 
Your context is not clear. If you meant on this board - that isn't accurate.

If you meant in the Israeli press - that isn't accurate either.

And I find it curious that you seem to have ignored the many examples of "Palestinians" celebrating and gloating over the kidnapping of Eyal, Gilad and Naftali. It is looking -from this one post! - as though your 'beyond disgust' is quite selective, which of course is your privilege and your decision...... I am hoping this one post above has been worded poorly or that I've misunderstood it : ((

My context is the members of this board only - though I wrote that post on 7/5 and since then, arrests, have been made and there have been some comments expressing anger and disgust at the act so my statement is now outdated.

I was not talking about anything outside of this board.

You shouldn't find it curious that I ignored the examples of Palestinians "celebrating". I also ignored the thread about certain Israeli's "celebrating". Those are seperate issues and if I'm going to post anything, I'd rather it be stuff about murders rather than the politicizing and attempts to make the victims something larger than they are - symbols of something they had no part of. They are 4 dead children who had their future ripped away. We'll never know what they might have been or done.

So yes Marge - I'm going to ignore all that stuff.

Edited to add - I should make it more clear why I wrote what I wrote. In the thread about the 3 Israeli teens - multiple people wrote how their killers should be hunted down like animals and killed - many harsh condemnations. In this thread - up until the police made plain who was behind the killings - there was none of that. In fact, many of those who made those comments, remain silent on this boys murder. That I find sad and telling. Kudus to you and Lipush and others who condemned it for what it was.
[MENTION=19170]Coyote[/MENTION] check post #2.

yes...but, that didn't put the breaks on others for calling for harsh measures ahead of evidence... not you
 
Well, gosh.
This thread, all about dehumanising a murdered child, has been very nicely derailed.

What a bunch of wankers.

Well, well, well. Fred I totally disagree with the first part of your second sentence above. Coyote's purpose of creating this thread was to humanize the tragic murder of this child. To which I totally agree, it was totally brutal, totally unacceptable, and totally wrong!

As to the second part of you second sentence above, I totally agree. As usual with most threads here in the I/P section, this thread has been derailed with tons of "you ******* idiots", "******* ****", "islamonazi", and other name calling. Also true of most threads here, the derailment continued with and/or beyond all the usual name calling and into other nether areas not related to the heinous murder, like basically the whole history of the conflict and the ulterior motive of Islam.

So yes, "What a bunch of wankers".

However there have been many who have recanted their first assumptions, you know who you are, and I commend you. There are others who did not and kept up with insisting on taking this thread to the part of my post I bolded above.. You know who you are.

This whole thing is a blemish upon the two(hopeful?) countries. But I have to point out and wholeheartedly agree with what Lipush said. When the Israelis start handing out candies and celebrating on the streets for the death of an Arab child; that would be about the worst thing for Israel to ever do. I pray that it all stops.
 
Teddy, one never quite knows with Fred: he may have been facetious......... Perhaps it's best to wait until he comes back and expands upon his original post.

The very best human I've ever met used to say "There's always time to get angry later". He was one of the very smartest and best-educated people I've ever met - but that all paled beside his basic decency.
 
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Nice pet raccoon there.
 
The Palestinian autopsy shows that this boy was burned whilsestill being alive.

Which is for me, another indication that this horrible murder was not done by Jews.

But, oh, well. They found someone to blame, so who the hell cares about facts.

Circular reasoning ...

Phoenall thinks the fact that this kid died horribly is evidence that Jews didn't do it. We know this because all truly horrible murders have never been done by Jews.

THE FACT IS, PHOENALL, YOU HAVE NO FACTS SO FAR! Or at least not enough to guess who did it!

Maybe I will start a new thread on horrific murders committed by Israelis.




Nor did you until the Israeli authorities arrested the very Jews you were applauding only last week. While you are at it start one on the horrific murders committed by palestinians
 
What are you talking about? What Jews I was applauding last week has Israel arrested?
 
OK. skip over the applause-bit, and move on to the thread about the Palestinians who killed those three Jewish kids.
 
the arab child was still breathing when he was doused with petrol and burned----
the three Israeli children were still breathing when they were shot and they could
be heard screaming in pain on the phone. Both murder episodes were equally
barbaric IMHO based on information that I found on the net. None of them
were euthanized. We do know that the Israeli kids were CONSCIOUS when they
were killed----we do not know if the arab kid was conscious. My impression
based on scanty information is that they banged him on the head----he might
have been unconscious when they poured petrol on him-----I hope so
 
What are you talking about? What Jews I was applauding last week has Israel arrested?



The extremist minority that you wanted all Jews to be like, the same extremist minority that murdered the Palestinian boy.
 
What are you talking about? What Jews I was applauding last week has Israel arrested?



The extremist minority that you wanted all Jews to be like, the same extremist minority that murdered the Palestinian boy.

Phoen----she does not understand that the groups which have members who
express "anti-Zionist" rants ---ALSO have members who are rabid nuts
who commit violent acts. Keep in mind---you are communicating with a
person whose education consists of islamo Nazi propaganda. I am not
a participant in any "Chassidic" movement or Shas thing---or ----generally
speaking anything related to any exotic "ideology"---but I have known such
people and lived among them. I can understand why the whole situation
would be incomprehensible to Aenmity. She never actually interacted with it.---
she just sees the stuff that her handlers pick and choose to fit their islamo Nazi
POV and agenda. In order to understand her confusion you need to know both--
both the islamo Nazi propaganda-----and jews who adhere to extremist ideologies.

An interesting factoid-----the islamo Nazi propaganda USES anything it could
----some of the stuff I saw that was generated in the 1930s focused on
publishing pictures of jews with congenital deformity----the objective was to
present jews as freaks. ----now I am going to get a little technical>>
You probably know that jews---being an inbreeding group thruout the world---
harbor a long list of recessive gene congenital disorders. Islamo Nazi
propagandaist CITE that fact as yet another libel against jews. However---
the reality is that lots of the early work in finding the genetic basis for
congenital disorders was done by jewish doctors whose patient population was
largely jewish----so the LIST of recessive congenital disorders which began
BUILDING UP----in the 1960s consists of lots of stuff in the jewish population----
in fact the early work took place in New York City----by jewish doctors on jewish
patients-----remember TAY SACHS? Stand by---someday I will discuss the issue
of the cohen Y chromosome haplotype----so that even Aenmity will be able
to understand it

the rumor is that the killers of the arab kid are something like "SHAS"----
which is a Chassidic type movement----like SATMAR---the group that has
the people that are likely to do "anti-Zionist" rants beloved by video makers.
---------an interesting phenomenon is that there are jews who move easily
from satmar to shas to lubavitch to kach to this that and the other thing----
they even marry each other. The "anti Zionist" girl I know best is from
satmar parents-----her husband (who has been my colleague for more than 40
years) is not-------LOL---the kids are mixed----the oldest is a rabbi head of Yeshiva--
in Israel-----for a time she refused to visit ----she got over it. Aenmity is not
capable of understanding that extremist ideologues jump from one extreme to
the other. She is happy to find an extremist who on Tuesday is
EXTREME ANTI ZIONIST" if on Wednesday he becomes EXTREME KACH-----she is
fine----so long as the video was already made on Tuesday. A contributing element
to the phenomenon of jewish extremism is the very unusual tolerance jews have for it--'
---the Yeshiva system actually FACILITATES IT in that the expression of "OPPOSING
VIEW" ---is actually a Talmudic method of scholarship
 
the arab child was still breathing when he was doused with petrol and burned----
the three Israeli children were still breathing when they were shot and they could be heard screaming in pain on the phone. Both murder episodes were equally barbaric IMHO based on information that I found on the net. None of them were euthanized. We do know that the Israeli kids were CONSCIOUS when they were killed----we do not know if the arab kid was conscious. My impression based on scanty information is that they banged him on the head---- he might have been unconscious when they poured petrol on him-----I hope so
Amen.

The killing of the Arab boy and the three Jewish boys were both acts of inexcusable savagery.

This is one of those few occasions where I am absolutely neutral and hoping for full and credible investigations, prosecutions and punishments, for all of these wrong-doers, on both sides.

No excuses.
 
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>>The three suspects still in custody reportedly confessed to the murder and reenacted it in the Jerusalem forest.<<

Israel had not difficulty arresting their citizens for crimes they commit, even crimes against palestinians.

Let the court serve justice.
 
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