Modern conservatives sympathizing with The Confederacy... Is this a thing now?

[thanatos144]

You dont have a right to secede first ....Second If you are a supporter of confederates you support slavery since that was what they were about....I know you like to believe they were for states rights but the only right they cared about was the one that wrongly said they could own people.

kaz: I don't support the confederacy, I support the right of secession.

Thanatos: Duh, dar, drool, oh, that means you support slavery since you support the confederacy. Drool, drool

Thanks for showing all stupid people are not liberals. Sometimes it seems that way, but I think it's important to remember you're well represented on the right too

Maybe you should read what I wrote dumbass. There is no right to secede. None. It is not in the constitution or bill of rights.....These little truth seem to stump you.

So the only rights that exist are the ones that are specifically enumerated in the Constitution? Then where is the right of gays to marry or force a business to serve them?

That states can act on???? Yes dipshit that's why we have it.

You just said there is no right to secede because it's not in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. If that's the case, there's no right for gays to marry or force a business to serve them.

According to you, the states can't act. Otherwise, they could secede.

You really aren't very good at this logic thing, are you?

First off stupid I am not progressive and am a christian so I do think marriage is between a man and a woman and the isd the first amendment that sayd you cant force others against their religious beliefs. 10th amendment allows STATES to manage their own marriage contracts.

 

[thanatos144]

That was bullshit

It was never a practical option

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Could you answer this question in a yes or no fashion?

Was Lincoln a white supremacist?

No he was a republican. If he was a racist he would be a democrat or confederate.

 

[kaz]

I don't know why you're so angry

Hey, sorry I made you cry, guy. It’s just an internet discussion. Don’t get so upset.

I was just pointing out some observations. I never once said "everyone" or you specifically, I stated "people most likely". I don't know why you're freaking out, but you need to get a hold of yourself. It's pathetic

No one defended the confederacy I’ve seen, the discussion is on the right to secession. You keep going with the strawman it’s about the Confederacy so you can keep bringing race whoring back into the discussion.

Also, 'libertarian'?

Don't make me laugh. I have VERY seldom met a 'libertarian' that wasn't just a conservative without the guts to commit to the label. Looking through some of your posting history shows me that you're just another one of these..

Here are some that are not conservative. I am pro-choice, against the war on drugs, think all drugs, prostitution, gambling, gay sex and other morality laws should be repealed. I’m against the wars in the middle east and think we should leave the middle east entirely. I think we should slash our military budget by 1/3 to ½ and make it defensive focused.


OK, your turn, show some positions I have that are not libertarian.


Show some positions I have that are not libertarian.

Trying to discredit what I said above is like me calling you a dog, and you going "Wrong, I'm a cocker spaniel." You're not fooling anyone, least of all me.

Wow, you suck at analogies. I’m not defending the confederacy, *****. Cut the strawman. Your analogy again says that I am. I am defending secession. And I haven’t seen anyone in the discussion defend the confederacy, I saw them defend secession.

You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy.

Strawman

I'm not going to try to convince you of your ignorance, but don't misrepresent your ignorant opinions as fact

Strawman

That's just embarrassing for everyone involved. Also, reading comprehension of the phrase 'people most likely' would have saved us from seeing your pitiful emotional outburst. Please use better judgement when posting.


Thanks.

Strawman, no one is posting that I’ve seen, and you haven’t been able to produce anyone

 

[gipper]

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Could you answer this question in a yes or no fashion?

Was Lincoln a white supremacist?

No he was a republican. If he was a racist he would be a democrat or confederate.

Oh please...and you call others stupid.

 

[g5000]

They simply cannot justify slavery though for it is morally, ethically, and legally wrong and always has been.

The democrats sure did try hard to justify it, and exhibit many of the same tendencies today.

Yep. Just look at these Democrats today:

Honk if you love Obama and slavery!

 

[kaz]

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

Dummy it is called a contingency plan.....Believe it or not they still make stupid shit like that up.... It is sad you think you are conservative with you lack of actual historical knowledge.

I just quoted a speech that shows Lincoln is a white supremacist, and you call that a "contingency plan?" It's pathetic that all you dim bulbs think you know something about Lincoln and the Civil War. You're a bunch of dumbasses.

True. Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist. He did not support blacks having equal rights to whites and he wanted to send blacks back to Africa to be rid of them. But hey, it stands in the way of the liberal narrative

Except Fredrick Douglass said he was......

Um...OK?

 

[kaz]

So the belief that States can secede from the union now means we believe in slavery.

Um...OK?

Have you ever been tested to see if you have an IQ?

You dont have a right to secede first ....Second If you are a supporter of confederates you support slavery since that was what they were about....I know you like to believe they were for states rights but the only right they cared about was the one that wrongly said they could own people.

kaz: I don't support the confederacy, I support the right of secession.

Thanatos: Duh, dar, drool, oh, that means you support slavery since you support the confederacy. Drool, drool

Thanks for showing all stupid people are not liberals. Sometimes it seems that way, but I think it's important to remember you're well represented on the right too

Maybe you should read what I wrote dumbass. There is no right to secede. None. It is not in the constitution or bill of rights.....These little truth seem to stump you.

So the only rights that exist are the ones that are specifically enumerated in the Constitution? Then where is the right of gays to marry or force a business to serve them?

That states can act on???? Yes dipshit that's why we have it.

Haven't read the 10th amendment, have you?

 

[bripat9643]

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Could you answer this question in a yes or no fashion?

Was Lincoln a white supremacist?

No he was a republican. If he was a racist he would be a democrat or confederate.

Then how do you explain the quote where he states in plain terms that blacks are not the equal of whites and shouldn't be treated as equals?

 

[bripat9643]

They simply cannot justify slavery though for it is morally, ethically, and legally wrong and always has been.

The democrats sure did try hard to justify it, and exhibit many of the same tendencies today.

Yep. Just look at these Democrats today:

Honk if you love Obama!

How do you know they aren't Democrats? Odium, who is a big white supremacist, is a socialist.

 

[kaz]

You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy

Sorry but you can't be a real libertarian and support Lincoln's War.

I’m confused, you wrote this to S who isn’t a libertarian and while I am a libertarian I don’t support Lincoln’s war. So who are you addressing?

 

[g5000]

I have lived in the South a long time and I have hardly seen any Confederate flags ever.

Wow. You really do walk around with your eyes clamped shut, don't you.

I'm sure every one of them is a Democrat...

 

[kaz]

They simply cannot justify slavery though for it is morally, ethically, and legally wrong and always has been.

The democrats sure did try hard to justify it, and exhibit many of the same tendencies today.

Yep. Just look at these Democrats today:

Honk if you love Obama!

How do you know they aren't Democrats? Odium, who is a big white supremacist, is a socialist.

g5000 just knows, he's a Republican so he knows what a bunch of racists they are

 

[-S-]

You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy

Sorry but you can't be a real libertarian and support Lincoln's War.

I’m confused, you wrote this to S who isn’t a libertarian and while I am a libertarian I don’t support Lincoln’s war. So who are you addressing?

I was confused as well.

 

[kaz]

I have lived in the South a long time and I have hardly seen any Confederate flags ever.

Wow. You really do walk around with your eyes clamped shut, don't you.

I'm sure every one of them is a Democrat...

Wow, you found pictures of confederate flags, that sure proves you see them all over the south...

 

[gipper]

You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy

Sorry but you can't be a real libertarian and support Lincoln's War.

I’m confused, you wrote this to S who isn’t a libertarian and while I am a libertarian I don’t support Lincoln’s war. So who are you addressing?

My mistake. I thought he was claiming to be a libertarian, while loving Lincoln.

 

[kaz]

After reading through all of this, it seems that the people most likely to defend the Confederacy are:

Strawman. OK, race whore, we are defending secession, not "the confederacy." Stop being a dick and present our position correctly

*Conservative

Wrong, I'm a libertarian

*Southern

Wrong, I'm a northerner, I just live in the south

I get that no one actually wants to support slavery, they just want to support the act of rebellion, because they feel that it's an American principle or something.

Wrong, we oppose your socialist edifice and want you to stop forcing it on us

I guess myself, and the other moderates/liberals/anti-Confederate conservatives, don't look at it the same way.

No, you look at it through a fog of stupidity

I am VERY pro-equality, regardless of what's in or isn't in the Constitution. I don't look at the Confederacy as a rag tag group of rebels fighting for American values, I see a group of people that couldn't socially progress at the same rate as the other regions in the nation, and paid the price for their ignorance. I don't see anything to celebrate. If I want to celebrate American rebellion, I'll read about the Revolutionary War

You are equality of results regardless of the effort put in. We are equality of opportunity. You are correct that we don't look at it the same way. Other than that, it's like your whole life, wrong on pretty much everything. Starting with your test scores, probably why you can't follow a conversation and you want government to give you the money you won't/can't earn

I don't know why you're so angry, I was just pointing out some observations. I never once said "everyone" or you specifically, I stated "people most likely". I don't know why you're freaking out, but you need to get a hold of yourself. It's pathetic.





Also, 'libertarian'?
Don't make me laugh. I have VERY seldom met a 'libertarian' that wasn't just a conservative without the guts to commit to the label. Looking through some of your posting history shows me that you're just another one of these..
Trying to discredit what I said above is like me calling you a dog, and you going "Wrong, I'm a cocker spaniel." You're not fooling anyone, least of all me.


You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy. I'm not going to try to convince you of your ignorance, but don't misrepresent your ignorant opinions as fact. That's just embarrassing for everyone involved. Also, reading comprehension of the phrase 'people most likely' would have saved us from seeing your pitiful emotional outburst. Please use better judgement when posting.

Thanks.

Sorry but you can't be a real libertarian and support Lincoln's War.

I would never claim the title of 'libertarian'. I think it's a foolish ideology that has no hope of ever working in reality.

Somalia is the closest thing the world has to a 'libertarian government'. What a joke.

Somalia is anarchy, it's not libertarian

 

[g5000]

Here's that guy's web site: Dixie Biker Tailgate Dennis Panzik Artistry

 

[g5000]

Nope. One hardly ever sees a Confederate flag in the South. No, sir.

 

[kaz]

Here's that guy's web site: Dixie Biker Tailgate Dennis Panzik Artistry

Seriously, in your mind finding a bunch of pictures of the confederate flag proves we see them all the time in the south? That's an actual argument to you?

 

[-S-]

You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy

Sorry but you can't be a real libertarian and support Lincoln's War.

I’m confused, you wrote this to S who isn’t a libertarian and while I am a libertarian I don’t support Lincoln’s war. So who are you addressing?

My mistake. I thought he was claiming to be a libertarian, while loving Lincoln.

Nope. I'm an immoral, big government socialist enemy of the state who happens to be in love with Lincoln. Get it right, Gip.